[Discussion] Sasuke's three doujutsu: Itachi transferred? or Sasuke awakened?

[Kuroi Honoo]

I made this thread simply to focus on Sasuke's Mangekyou Sharingan techniques whether he awoken them himself or if Itachi implanted them. Why? This is because I've observed people debating this very situation and I decided to investigate as neither are confirmed by Kishi yet. This is what I gathered:

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Madara here says that Itachi implanted Amaterasu into Sasuke.

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Then here he says "Somehow, at the very last second, he transferred all his eye techniques into you" but really is that a confirmed fact as of yet? All we have to go on is what Madara is spinning. Madara states "somehow" in other words he is questioning how Itachi did it at all or that it seems to him that he transferred them as it could be an assumption of his. Who is to say that he is incorrect and Sasuke acquired his own variation of those three techniques.

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Madara says that activating Susanoo is a rarity but that could just be another one of his untrue statements. Okay, what does he stand from gaining by saying this? I don't know, it could be a lie spun for his own benefit in some way but honestly nobody can trust everything he says as seen in his discussion with Sasuke which were truths tweaked with his own personal lies. Where as whatever he says can have definite doubt. What if every Uchiha who gains Mangekyou inherit these three Doujutsu and maybe later on obtain an exclusive one like Kakashi's Kamui?

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The Amaterasu comes out from the now formed Mangekyou belonging to Itachi and afterward he covers his eye in pain as it then transforms back into his own Sharingan.

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His Mangekyou is awaken in elapsed time so I guess the three techs lied dormant until he attained it and infused simultaneously I suppose but wow, his transferred techs were torpid for that long until that time came?

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What we have is Madara quoting "Wow...that's Sasuke's version, eh?" though it seems pretty weird for him to be doing so because if Itachi did indeed transfer all three than why is Sasuke's differ from his? Is it because of the Darkness that transformed Susanoo's appearance or is it like I've stated earlier that it is common for all Uchiha to have those three doujutsu.

So in conclusion, I can understand the Amaterasu as a fail safe mechanism like Madara himself states but all three are transferred as well? What I got from all of this is Madara possibly lying. What does he benefit from this? I'm not sure but whatever he does always has an exterior motive and so he must have his reasons or he could have said this as his own assumption and isn't even completely sure himself but never the less in my opinion, there are some holes in Sasuke having Itachi's three doujutsu.​

 

[Dtoxxdasavvyone]

I don't know what happened to my original post it pisses me off that I gotta write all this again so I will try to keep it short.

Itachi gave all his MS powers to Sasuke, it is very obvious from the beginning of his decent into darkness Itachi planned on passing down these techs to his brother whom he also planned to be killed by. I will argue that Itachi died form disease and fatigue not Sasuke but anyway. The three techs have never been noted being used by anyone else not even Madara thus far and Susanoo is a rarity especially Itachi's who had the mirror and the sword to top it off as Sasuke has niether if I am not mistaken.

It is clear to me that Madara has stated the things he said for personal gain but there seems to be a lot of truth to what he says behind the dojitsu and he wants Sasuke's powers for himself once he gets his strength back and the only way to make Sasuke stronger is to pit him in battle with incredibly strong foes to master his MS abilities. Sasuke was grantd those gifts but he has made them his own with the exception of the Susanoo. Sasuke's eye techs rival Itachi's as he can turn the Amaterasu on and off and his Tsukiyomi if that's the other tech your speaking on is also within his ability and he uses this well. If you can't see that those techs are rare I don't know what to tell you because no one else has ever used them out of the uchiha up to date this you can agree is true. Sasuke has the ability to wield such abilities because he is uchiha and because he has that rare potential which Itachi stated himself. Itachi is a master mind and was able to plot his death from behind the scenes to happen exactly as he wanted it to from dying in front of Sasuke to giving him his unique MS abilities to anticipating Madara coming into to the picture and even Sasuke following him in his vendetta against the leaf; as he has now appeared in the confrontation between Danzo and Sasuke. One can only assume that Itachi forseen this possibility and implanted even more than we originally thought into Sasuke. or it could be a jutsu Sasuke created but that would be morbid and disturbing even for him. Madara has all the reason in the world to lie but he has an equally good reason not to in pumping fear into those who opposse him. I don't know one shinobi who have acquired a new jutsu that didn't put thier own spin to it making it stronger or more suitable for use for that particular person. Is it really that unconfirmed to you still even with all the evidence from the manga and the anime that Itachi set all of this up for his precious little bro? Doesn't Sasuke use enton to strengthen his Susanoo giving it the different look aside from not being complete like Itachi's and as I mentioned earlier the missing mirror and sword? Itachi gave his bro these dojitsu and Sasuke made them his own but I would be lying if I said I thought Sasuke would've achieved these techs without Itachi giving them to him Sasuke was completly clueless to his brothers ability but Itachi knew his brother had the unique potential of wielding his techs so he gave them to him plain as day for me main, but you did a hell of a job putting the thread together I see how you might want to question this but when the rubber meets the road it's all about Itachi giving his powers to his brother.

 

[Regulus]

I won't be able decide until they show another Uchiha using MS, If those techniques are different then i beleive that Itachi transfered techs, but if they are the same i believe you.

 

[Dtoxxdasavvyone]

Bro lol toooooo long

I KNOW YOU SHOULD OF SEEN THE ORIGINAL. I always have good debates with the thread starter though so I thought I would get all of my opinions out in one shot you'll see he'll post something breaking down all my points and it will go from there it's good stuff but wouldn't you agree or no?

 

[Kuroi Honoo]

I don't know what happened to my original post it pisses me off that I gotta write all this again so I will try to keep it short.

I'm sorry for that happening to you as this is coming from a person who has gone through the same thing all too many times lol

Itachi gave all his MS powers to Sasuke, it is very obvious from the beginning of his decent into darkness Itachi planned on passing down these techs to his brother whom he also planned to be killed by. I will argue that Itachi died form disease and fatigue not Sasuke but anyway. The three techs have never been noted being used by anyone else not even Madara thus far and Susanoo is a rarity especially Itachi's who had the mirror and the sword to top it off as Sasuke has niether if I am not mistaken.

Don't you just love how it always comes back to us that have these humongous epic debates that sure can last ^.^ Anyways getting back to topic now..I totally acknowledge, appreciate and respect your opinion shikashi (but) so you say that it as plain as day that Itachi passed on his techs and then you quote this "Susanoo is a rarity especially Itachi's who had the mirror and the sword to top it off as Sasuke has neither if I am not mistaken." Okay did you mean to say that it is because he has yet to reveal the two weapons? or Sasuke's Susanoo throughout it's featured transformation somehow disinherited them? I mean is that what you were trying to say with that quote of yours? Because okay, we have seen his Susanoo equipped with a "sword" which if it is indeed the supposed Totsuka no Tsurugi well then it has yet to be verified so...it could just be a sword and or maybe a sword which was developed by the darkness that is consuming Sasuke? I'm not sure myself, this is just some theories and for the point of it all that I'm trying to get across is just how you commented that Sasuke doesn't have the sword and mirror well it is weird how this is coming from you who says that he does have Itachi's techs but then if Itachi did transfer the doujutsu why hasn't his Susanoo wield the mirror yet? You pretty much placed doubt by commenting that. I don't know if you yourself didn't mean to say it but you did and that is another reason for my doubts. Since a lot of it hasn't been confirmed I will have to stick to the possibility that Sasuke's Susanoo is his own and wasn't passed on.

It is clear to me that Madara has stated the things he said for personal gain but there seems to be a lot of truth to what he says behind the dojitsu and he wants Sasuke's powers for himself once he gets his strength back and the only way to make Sasuke stronger is to pit him in battle with incredibly strong foes to master his MS abilities. Sasuke was grantd those gifts but he has made them his own with the exception of the Susanoo. Sasuke's eye techs rival Itachi's as he can turn the Amaterasu on and off and his Tsukiyomi if that's the other tech your speaking on is also within his ability and he uses this well. If you can't see that those techs are rare I don't know what to tell you because no one else has ever used them out of the uchiha up to date this you can agree is true. Sasuke has the ability to wield such abilities because he is uchiha and because he has that rare potential which Itachi stated himself. Itachi is a master mind and was able to plot his death from behind the scenes to happen exactly as he wanted it to from dying in front of Sasuke to giving him his unique MS abilities to anticipating Madara coming into to the picture and even Sasuke following him in his vendetta against the leaf; as he has now appeared in the confrontation between Danzo and Sasuke. One can only assume that Itachi forseen this possibility and implanted even more than we originally thought into Sasuke. or it could be a jutsu Sasuke created but that would be morbid and disturbing even for him. Madara has all the reason in the world to lie but he has an equally good reason not to in pumping fear into those who opposse him. I don't know one shinobi who have acquired a new jutsu that didn't put thier own spin to it making it stronger or more suitable for use for that particular person. Is it really that unconfirmed to you still even with all the evidence from the manga and the anime that Itachi set all of this up for his precious little bro? Doesn't Sasuke use enton to strengthen his Susanoo giving it the different look aside from not being complete like Itachi's and as I mentioned earlier the missing mirror and sword? Itachi gave his bro these dojitsu and Sasuke made them his own but I would be lying if I said I thought Sasuke would've achieved these techs without Itachi giving them to him Sasuke was completly clueless to his brothers ability but Itachi knew his brother had the unique potential of wielding his techs so he gave them to him plain as day for me main, but you did a hell of a job putting the thread together I see how you might want to question this but when the rubber meets the road it's all about Itachi giving his powers to his brother.

You have a major point that I agree with. Yes, it is very apparent that what Madara says is the truth but you can't deny that it hasn't been tweaked for his own personal benefit, ne? It also makes a lot of sense that Madara wants Sasuke stronger more so he could withstand Kuchiyose: Gedou Mazou. I think that you can also agree with the fact that besides Sasuke and Itachi, all the other Uchiha have never been shown in the manga wielding their own Susanoo/Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi and or simply fighting in the battlefield. I didn't add Madara because he simply hasen't been shown using those three techs. I won't argue with the fact that Itachi did set everything up as his plan went accordingly with the exception of Sasuke's re-avenging now of his late brother but he even had a predetermined plan which was placed inside Naruto. Though, I don't know why Sasuke's Susanoo looks so different than Itachi's. If he did transfer his three techs then shouldn't they look exactly the same even down to the weapons? That is another reason why I have a problem accepting this. It could be his dark aura that changed its appearance but it could also be simply his own Susanoo. Now, I'm not saying its a fact that Sasuke does not have Itachi's doujutsu but since we currently only have Madara's word, I cannot put myself to fully except it until further verification. It is fine that you will easily and gladly accept what Madara said regarding the passing on of the techs but I can't due to the fact that he's decieved many all the same. This legendary shinobi has been alive for so many years, lying and scheming his way throughout it all and so is why I have a difficult time believing in everything that he says. Even so, I will continue to keep an open mind, just as you have shown me with your good arguments. Arigatou yo for your positive comments ^^​

 

[John Constantine]

Kishimoto has made several script errors so far..
He scripts Madara saying that Itachi transfered all his eye techniques to Sasuke..
Some chapters later saying only Amaterasu was implanted on Sasuke..
Later on Madara says in amusement asking himself and wondering if that was Sasuke's own version of Susano'o..

In my opinion Itachi only implanted the Amaterasu trap.. All the other powers were awakened by Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan..​

 

[Dtoxxdasavvyone]

I'm sorry for that happening to you as this is coming from a person who has gone through the same thing all too many times lol



Don't you just love how it always comes back to us that have these humongous epic debates that sure can last ^.^ Anyways getting back to topic now..I totally acknowledge, appreciate and respect your opinion shikashi (but) so you say that it as plain as day that Itachi passed on his techs and then you quote this "Susanoo is a rarity especially Itachi's who had the mirror and the sword to top it off as Sasuke has neither if I am not mistaken." Okay did you mean to say that it is because he has yet to reveal the two weapons? or Sasuke's Susanoo throughout it's featured transformation somehow disinherited them? I mean is that what you were trying to say with that quote of yours? Because okay, we have seen his Susanoo equipped with a "sword" which if it is indeed the supposed Totsuka no Tsurugi well then it has yet to be verified so...it could just be a sword and or maybe a sword which was developed by the darkness that is consuming Sasuke? I'm not sure myself, this is just some theories and for the point of it all that I'm trying to get across is just how you commented that Sasuke doesn't have the sword and mirror well it is weird how this is coming from you who says that he does have Itachi's techs but then if Itachi did transfer the doujutsu why hasn't his Susanoo wield the mirror yet? You pretty much placed doubt by commenting that. I don't know if you yourself didn't mean to say it but you did and that is another reason for my doubts. Since a lot of it hasn't been confirmed I will have to stick to the possibility that Sasuke's Susanoo is his own and wasn't passed on.



You have a major point that I agree with. Yes, it is very apparent that what Madara says is the truth but you can't deny that it hasn't been tweaked for his own personal benefit, ne? It also makes a lot of sense that Madara wants Sasuke stronger more so he could withstand Kuchiyose: Gedou Mazou. I think that you can also agree with the fact that besides Sasuke and Itachi, all the other Uchiha have never been shown in the manga wielding their own Susanoo/Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi and or simply fighting in the battlefield. I didn't add Madara because he simply hasen't been shown using those three techs. I won't argue with the fact that Itachi did set everything up as his plan went accordingly with the exception of Sasuke's re-avenging now of his late brother but he even had a predetermined plan which was placed inside Naruto. Though, I don't know why Sasuke's Susanoo looks so different than Itachi's. If he did transfer his three techs then shouldn't they look exactly the same even down to the weapons? That is another reason why I have a problem accepting this. It could be his dark aura that changed its appearance but it could also be simply his own Susanoo. Now, I'm not saying its a fact that Sasuke does not have Itachi's doujutsu but since we currently only have Madara's word, I cannot put myself to fully except it until further verification. It is fine that you will easily and gladly accept what Madara said regarding the passing on of the techs but I can't due to the fact that he's decieved many all the same. This legendary shinobi has been alive for so many years, lying and scheming his way throughout it all and so is why I have a difficult time believing in everything that he says. Even so, I will continue to keep an open mind, just as you have shown me with your good arguments. Arigatou yo for your positive comments ^^​

I got to clear up that I don't or wont say that I believe Madara was telling the truth in all aspects of his story that he told Sasuke, but rather I will say that it makes sense through Itachi's actions that the techs were passed down. Sasuke has a much different looking Susanoo I will agree, and maybe he his own dark ora is creating a different version of the tech but I look at this like; Itachi gave his techs to Sasuke save for the weapons or possibly Sasuke has yet to reveal them, or Sasuke has an incomplete Susanoo and with out those weapons that is how it appears.

Sasuke has shown some interesting new developments in his repitoire, he just might have his own ability to form his Susanno as he has shown that not only can he cast Amaterasu but he can seal it back up as well as busting out the tsukiyomi all easily and shit. However Itachi had to anticipate his brother not particularly liking the fact that Itachi and the rest of his family suffered rediculously horrible fates while the people responsible were still alive and kicking with the truth barried and wanted to be kept hidden by Danzo and his team of scheming elders, those two old and always nagging ninja of the leaf. With that said I believe that Itachi may have had a fail safe plan as well and not just in Naruto but in not handing the weapons that he had equipped with Susanoo to Sasuke as well, as this would make things troubledome for anyone who faced him, I mean look at Itachi when he was broken, bruised, and diseased. Dying from all this and then turn around and be virtually invincible once he casted this Jutsu. Itachi was a genuis who wished for his brother to have the glory of revitalizing the Uchiha clan in the ninja world so he could have very well chosen not to give Sasuke those two majestic tools after seeing the Darkness in his brothers heart although it just an opinion I don't feel i'm too far from the truth on this one.

I agree Madara has not been shown doing anything special with the Sharingan save for his mysterious Jutsu no one can figure out ( if that's even an eye tech from his Sharingan). So again I say the techs are very rare and my reasoning is that no one and I mean no one has ever been seen or read about performing these techs even the SO6P. Itachi and Sasuke are in a league of their own with what they can do with their MS and so it could be said that they alone have the ability within them to perform the tech, Madara speaking on Sasuke's version because of the difference between them that doesn't totally suggest that there are others who have used Susanoo or any of the eye techs for that matter.

Thank you too main for the good convo, not too many people can or want to get into as dep of debates as we tend to often do and I appreciate that. We will see soon though which one of us was more accurate in what we believ to be the case in this whole mystery of the Sharingan we've got going on.

 

[Dtoxxdasavvyone]

Kishimoto has made several script errors so far..
He scripts Madara saying that Itachi transfered all his eye techniques to Sasuke..
Some chapters later saying only Amaterasu was implanted on Sasuke..
Later on Madara says in amusement asking himself and wondering if that was Sasuke's own version of Susano'o..

In my opinion Itachi only implanted the Amaterasu trap.. All the other powers were awakened by Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan..​

I don't follow the scripts closely enought to debate for or against that portion of your post but if it is true it doesn't sway what I believe either way but thanks for the input.

I feel like Amaterasu was only one of the three cifts Itachi instilled into Sasuke, this is why, others who have been seen with the MS even though it's only five people thier are only two who have been seen with the ability to use them and that is Itachi and Sasuke and Danzo commented on the Amaterasu as well saying that Sasuke is Itachi's brother. I believe the difference lies in Sasuke not having or not yet using the weapons Itachi had wielded through Susanoo, or Sasuke could be so drenched in darkness that his Susanoo reflects what is in it's casters spirit. Either way the techs were gifts as Sasuke didn't have them until Itachi's MS activated in Sasuke and after hearing the story behind Itachi's mission Sasuke definitely made the techs his own using them differently and more recklessly than his brother seemed to. I just think this has Iatchi written all over it and soon the curtain will be unvailed and the truth will be revealed!!!

 

[John Constantine]

I don't follow the scripts closely enought to debate for or against that portion of your post but if it is true it doesn't sway what I believe either way but thanks for the input.

I feel like Amaterasu was only one of the three cifts Itachi instilled into Sasuke, this is why, others who have been seen with the MS even though it's only five people thier are only two who have been seen with the ability to use them and that is Itachi and Sasuke and Danzo commented on the Amaterasu as well saying that Sasuke is Itachi's brother. I believe the difference lies in Sasuke not having or not yet using the weapons Itachi had wielded through Susanoo, or Sasuke could be so drenched in darkness that his Susanoo reflects what is in it's casters spirit. Either way the techs were gifts as Sasuke didn't have them until Itachi's MS activated in Sasuke and after hearing the story behind Itachi's mission Sasuke definitely made the techs his own using them differently and more recklessly than his brother seemed to. I just think this has Iatchi written all over it and soon the curtain will be unvailed and the truth will be revealed!!!

Sasuke didn't had the techs until he fought Itachi simply because he hadn't awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan at that point.
The techs he does now can only be executed with the Mangekyo Sharingan,so it's only natural he couldn't use them with a regular Sharingan against Itachi..

You mention Danzo can't execute those techs having a sharingan as well..
His Sharingan is in the right side,so all in all if he has Mangekyo Sharingan. He can only awaken Tsukyomi. Just like Kakashi.​

 

[Dtoxxdasavvyone]

Sasuke didn't had the techs until he fought Itachi simply because he hadn't awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan at that point.
The techs he does now can only be executed with the Mangekyo Sharingan,so it's only natural he couldn't use them with a regular Sharingan against Itachi..

You mention Danzo can't execute those techs having a sharingan as well..
His Sharingan is in the right side,so all in all if he has Mangekyo Sharingan. He can only awaken Tsukyomi. Just like Kakashi.​

No no no.... what I meant was that Danzo stated that Sasuke used Amaterasu and thus he is just like his brother not that he didn't have the tech himself as this would be foolish for me to assume given that he has several Sharingan in his arm alone without using the one in his eye which I will assume is the strongest out of the eyes he does possess.

Secondly Madara his little bro Itachi his little bro and Kakashi are the only reported MS users in the Manga thus far so and I have never seen anyone but Itachi and Sasuke use either of the three techs were discussing, where does it ever say that Kakashi or Danzo have used any of them? Don't worry i'll wait... oh you can't do it because it never happened, well at least yet anyway.

Finally Sasuke used those techs once he acquired the MS which was made possible by Itachi however in the same breath Itachi spoke of the two dojitsu that he learned (Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi) and how after obtaining these another one took root in his eye which was Susano. I don't see why it's difficult for this to be seen, Itachi had awakened some of the most unheard of Jutsu in the Manga and he alone possessed them out of the four people who had MS. Until he battled Sasuke and his MS was awakened through that making him the fifth MS user. No one else has used it, so I think maybe Itachi seen this latent potential as he spoke of this during the massacre of his clan and was able to instill his dojitsu into Sasuke who may or may not have been able to acquire it on his own. It's like saying Naruto would've of acheived Sage Mode without Jiraiya dying the way he did, it's all directly connected (the two relationships J man and Naruto, ans Sasuke and Itachi) they both were essential in helping the younger pair to achieve stronger levels. Itachi gave these gifts to Sasuke as a means to fIght against the possible dangers of what the future might hold for Sasuke as he was lost in the sauce so to speak, or darkness if you will. I have yet to mention Danzo in this matter because he is not a confirmed MS user yet that's the only reason, aside from that it makes too much sense for the techs that have taken root in the eyes of Sasuke Uchiha were gifts given to him by his older bro, as I said Sasuke knows how to make Jutsu more effective for his use so it's not that surprising that his Susano is different looking than Itachi's.

If you look it at like this, Susano reflects his casters sprit than it makes even more sense. Itachi was truly a honorable and bright and caring man hence the armor and his radiantly shinning ora of his Susano vs the dredged in the darkness because all his life he was made to believe lies about his family and brother being a traitor, its dark and decrepid like his evil ass ora. Interesting debates folks keep this shit up I am truly enjoying myself what can I say lol.

 

[John Constantine]

Secondly Madara his little bro Itachi his little bro and Kakashi are the only reported MS users in the Manga thus far so and I have never seen anyone but Itachi and Sasuke either of the three, where does it ever say that Kakashi or Danzo have used any of them. Don't worry i'll... oh you can't do it because it never happened well at least yet anyway.

You definetely have to read my post again.. I wrote words like "IF"..​

 

[John Constantine]

I'm not sold into the "transference" thing..
One have to awaken Tsukyomi and Amaterasu before he can awaken Susano'o..
And that what Sasuke did. He first awakened Tsukyomi against KillerBee,later on Amaterasu in the same battle..
In Kage summit he awakened Susano'o and Juugo aknowlede that that technique was the one that Sasuke wanted to try in the meeting.​

 

[Rukia Hime]

I agree with Kenshin. Somehow, I don't buy his statement.
It sounds too awkward, plus he's known that he lies for his own gain.

 

[Dtoxxdasavvyone]

You definetely have to read my post again.. I wrote words like "IF"..​

I get it I do. But Kakshi has had the MS and he has no techs like that and he has seen the two of the three. I also have to add this look at Shisui the teleporter he had amazing eye techs and yes his eyes met an untimley demise but a lot of the Sharingan techs seems to vary with each one and some abilites may even be inaccessable to most and available to only the elite amongst the clan. Itachi is Sasuke's brother so natually their blood being the same would also result in their potential for wielding high levels of dojitdu are linked because of this, of course these are theories and only some of what I say is confirmed in the manga but I believe that Sasuke was able to wield the techs but was only able to because Itachi passed them down in other words they were Itachi's to begin with and he gave them to the one person he knew could wield them and wanted to see have them in Sasuke both because he knows who is left standing in Sasuke's way and becaus he wanted to do something for his brother that would ebsure his survival, I mean Sasuke's MS awakened with Itachis death but Itach had implanted the abilities he had inside of Sasuke so that MS would awaken.

 

[Blizzard589]

Didn't Danzo say he hadn't seen Amaterasu in a long time? Also he knew about Susanoo... So it could be that he's fought an MS user before. Both Itachi and Madara explained the bloody history of the Uchiha people like many brothers killed each other for the MS. Everyone across the ninja world had heard of the Sharingan and its abilities. Raikage knew about Amaterasu because he was prepared to dodge it. I doubt Itachi went around showing off his MS to everyone.

So, I'm thinking the techs are similar between MS users. Kakashi doesn't count because he isn't an Uchiha. We haven't even seen Madara use his MS techs yet. He just stays at regular Sharingan level.

Therefore, I really think Itachi only transferred the trap Amaterasu that activated at the sight of Madara's Sharingan. Madara was just guessing about the transfer of all 3 techs. Sasuke's eye took the form of Itachi's MS when he fired the trap Amaterasu. When he used the other techs he had his own MS activated...

 

[twistedlink]

Amaterasu requires a large amount of Chakra, in which sasuke did not have when tobi was patching him up. Plus it was Itachis Mangekyou which was using Amaterasu, not sasukes mangekyou, meaning that was definitely Itachis implanted amaterasu, HOWEVER, I personally believe it wasnt a skill transfer but a soul ritual transfer similar to when orochimaru wanted purchase of sasukes body.

Sasuke was low on chakra and Itachi was able to come out and strike, just like when oro came out.

Remember Itachi knew Oro was going to come out of sasuke, so he has good knowledge of that ritual oro tried to put on him back in the akatsuki days.

Personally Itachi is in sasuke, with his moveset.

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Amaterasu requires a large amount of Chakra, in which sasuke did not have when tobi was patching him up. Plus it was Itachis Mangekyou which was using Amaterasu, not sasukes mangekyou, meaning that was definitely Itachis implanted amaterasu, HOWEVER, I personally believe it wasnt a skill transfer but a soul ritual transfer similar to when orochimaru wanted purchase of sasukes body.

Sasuke was low on chakra and Itachi was able to come out and strike, just like when oro came out.

Remember Itachi knew Oro was going to come out of sasuke, so he has good knowledge of that ritual oro tried to put on him back in the akatsuki days.

Personally Itachi is in sasuke, with his moveset.

That Makes Alot Of Sense

 

[twistedlink]

That Makes Alot Of Sense

Thankyou, though a lot of credit goes to Rukia Hime as she has assessed the situation quite in depth in another of her threads.

 

[John Constantine]

Thankyou, though a lot of credit goes to Rukia Hime as she has assessed the situation quite in depth in another of her threads.

That poster is a she??​

 

[twistedlink]

I assumed so in that the S/N is of female gender, If I am wrong on that assumption then apologies.