Man...Minato....

[Raijingan]

Probability is not certainty, nor does it point to this statement being a fact.

Just stating what I find most logical.

You have to take into account that Edo Tensei is a forbidden jutsu, and FTG isn't (i think, it may be dangerous to use as you might sever limbs or something though). Anyway, if it was so easy to learn then every capable leaf shinobi would use it, since it's one of the most useful jutsus ever. Definitely Kakashi should find very good use for it, Jiraiya as well as he is not that fast.

But FTG is only used by the greatest geniuses of Konoha, the second and the fourth, since they were the only ones to master it. That is how I see it.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I'm not seeing what minato did that was so wrong. He was overpowered by 2 Juubi Jinchuuriki's, that was his only downfall, that can't be helped.

He lost both his arms, however he still remains the only Edo Hokage to not have been killed, destroyed or incapacitated in this war. Hashirama, Tobirama and Hiruzen all would've been dead if they weren't edos, minato on the other hand has not yet received any fatal injury.

And minato not only saved the entire alliance twice, but he's also contributed the most to to this war and has been the most useful Edo Hokage. Without him the shinobi alliance would've fallen ages ago. Plus he's the reason the alliance was able to extract the tailed beasts from Obito.

The whole not sensing Obito thing is bs as well - it's already been made apparent that an uchiha's chakra greatly changes when they gain sharingan/ Mangekyou. The more evil and sinister/hatred, the more powerful the eyes. Karin couldn't even recognise Sasuke's chakra when he was filled with hatred... So Obito who had even more hatred would definitely have a different sense of chakra. Not only that but Obitos DNA was mixed with Hashirama DNA/cells in addition to his new eyes. He was a completely different person to the Obito that minato knew.

People just love to hate with no acetal solid reason kmt

 

[shelke]

Just stating what I find most logical.

You have to take into account that Edo Tensei is a forbidden jutsu, and FTG isn't (i think, it may be dangerous to use as you might sever limbs or something though). Anyway, if it was so easy to learn then every capable leaf shinobi would use it, since it's one of the most useful jutsus ever. Definitely Kakashi should find very good use for it, Jiraiya as well as he is not that fast.

But FTG is only used by the greatest geniuses of Konoha, the second and the fourth, since they were the only ones to master it. That is how I see it.

ET requires one to master the art of summoning a soul from a completely different plane to that one. From pure world to impure world, which is why ET is called the Impure World technique. What do you think is logical - summoning on the same plane or from beyond the grave?

Not really. It's like suggesting that Chakra control is simple or healing is simple. Why doesn't everyone learn it? Certain ninjas have certain aptitudes for some techniques. Minato's entire fighting style is built around it, so it suited him the most. Kakashi learnt Rasangan easily, and a sub-par individual like Jiraiya as well. I cannot see how they wouldn't have learned FTG. When Kakashi has shown far superior feats by comparison.

The last paragraph is a pure assumption as Itachi, Sasuke, Kakashi, Orochimaru, Neji are all prodigies.

 

[Nagi]

I'm not seeing what minato did that was so wrong. He was overpowered by 2 Juubi Jinchuuriki's, that was his only downfall, that can't be helped.

He lost both his arms, however he still remains the only Edo Hokage to not have been killed, destroyed or incapacitated in this war. Hashirama, Tobirama and Hiruzen all would've been dead if they weren't edos, minato on the other hand has not yet received any fatal injury.

And minato not only saved the entire alliance twice, but he's also contributed the most to to this war and has been the most useful Edo Hokage. Without him the shinobi alliance would've fallen ages ago. Plus he's the reason the alliance was able to extract the tailed beasts from Obito.

The whole not sensing Obito thing is bs as well - it's already been made apparent that an uchiha's chakra greatly changes when they gain sharingan/ Mangekyou. The more evil and sinister/hatred, the more powerful the eyes. Karin couldn't even recognise Sasuke's chakra when he was filled with hatred... So Obito who had even more hatred would definitely have a different sense of chakra. Not only that but Obitos DNA was mixed with Hashirama DNA/cells in addition to his new eyes. He was a completely different person to the Obito that minato knew.

People just love to hate with no acetal solid reason kmt

Your answer is a lot better than other people about that.

For the rest, He just not living up to the hype that kishimoto led us to believe.

 

[Raijingan]

ET requires one to master the art of summoning a soul from a completely different plane to that one. From pure world to impure world, which is why ET is called the Impure World technique. What do you think is logical - summoning on the same plane or from beyond the grave?

Not really. It's like suggesting that Chakra control is simple or healing is simple. Why doesn't everyone learn it? Certain ninjas have certain aptitudes for some techniques. Minato's entire fighting style is built around it, so it suited him the most. Kakashi learnt Rasangan easily, and a sub-par individual like Jiraiya as well. I cannot see how they wouldn't have learned FTG. When Kakashi has shown far superior feats by comparison.

The last paragraph is a pure assumption as Itachi, Sasuke, Kakashi, Orochimaru, Neji are all prodigies.

Yes ET is more similar to summoning jutsu and reverse summoning since you simply summon a being, instead of anti-summoning yourself to a specific mark (out of many).

FTG would be the best jutsu for anyone to learn. It would mean that during an assassination mission for example, you can enter the enemy base, run and kill the target and then FTG away before the other enemies react. Kakashi would find it useful.

It you had FTG you could retreat safely whenever you had trouble, you could mark your teammates so you could get to them if you got separated. You could travel the world much faster, espionage would be safer, everyday actions would be much more convenient for the jounins of konoha. And much more.

Healing isn't simply, you have to work very hard to just become average. Why bring that up? Unless you admit that FTG is a difficult technique to learn?

Kakashi most likely didn't learn rasengan easily, saying that is a huge disrespect to the technique. He used it easily, there is a difference. Pre-DMS and pre-kamui Kakashi I wouldn't say showed greater feats in comparison to Minato. Kakashi had his raikiri that he always used. Minatos rasengan>raikiri. Kakashi's feats include fodder genjutsu, fodder ninjutsu and then raikiri. If he could have learned FTG he would have (or at least should have).

 

[Gold Lightning]

Your answer is a lot better than other people about that.

For the rest, He just not living up to the hype that kishimoto led us to believe.

And why is that. Plz explain, what hype did he not live up to.

 

[shelke]

Yes ET is more similar to summoning jutsu and reverse summoning since you simply summon a being, instead of anti-summoning yourself to a specific mark (out of many).

FTG would be the best jutsu for anyone to learn. It would mean that during an assassination mission for example, you can enter the enemy base, run and kill the target and then FTG away before the other enemies react. Kakashi would find it useful.

It you had FTG you could retreat safely whenever you had trouble, you could mark your teammates so you could get to them if you got separated. You could travel the world much faster, espionage would be safer, everyday actions would be much more convenient for the jounins of konoha. And much more.

Healing isn't simply, you have to work very hard to just become average. Why bring that up? Unless you admit that FTG is a difficult technique to learn?

Kakashi most likely didn't learn rasengan easily, saying that is a huge disrespect to the technique. He used it easily, there is a difference. Pre-DMS and pre-kamui Kakashi I wouldn't say showed greater feats in comparison to Minato. Kakashi had his raikiri that he always used. Minatos rasengan>raikiri. Kakashi's feats include fodder genjutsu, fodder ninjutsu and then raikiri. If he could have learned FTG he would have (or at least should have).

I have no idea what you are even talking about in the first three paragraphs. I made a comment about ET's complexity.

Why didn't everyone learn gates? Gai is not smart. Dai was a class D ninja. Why can't every ninja dispel Genjutsu easily? Why can't every ninja sense like Karin? Again, aptitude. Certain ninjas can learn and master certain things effectively. It doesn't make one with a certain ability smarter than the other. Let's ignore this pivotal point for convenience.

This is nothing but your assumption. Where is it stated that he faced any barriers or learning curve issues? What are Minato's amazing feats anyway? He deciphered a moronic Obito's technique? Okay, because just about everyone who faced it figured it out. In fact Sakura and Danzo's guards figured it out the quickest. I don't even like Kakashi, and I can see you are downplaying him just for the sake of the argument.

An incomplete technique is above a completed technique? That too with variants? Lol

 

[Raijingan]

I have no idea what you are even talking about in the first three paragraphs. I made a comment about ET's complexity.

Why didn't everyone learn gates? Gai is not smart. Dai was a class D ninja. Why can't every ninja dispel Genjutsu easily? Why can't every ninja sense like Karin? Again, aptitude. Certain ninjas can learn and master certain things effectively. It doesn't make one with a certain ability smarter than the other. Let's ignore this pivotal point for convenience.

This is nothing but your assumption. Where is it stated that he faced any barriers or learning curve issues? What are Minato's amazing feats anyway? He deciphered a moronic Obito's technique? Okay, because just about everyone who faced it figured it out. In fact Sakura and Danzo's guards figured it out the quickest. I don't even like Kakashi, and I can see you are downplaying him just for the sake of the argument.

An incomplete technique is above a completed technique? That too with variants? Lol

ET is more similar to simple summoning jutsu, FTG is not

FTG is useful for every ninja, the examples you wrote are not

Look it's obvious you have nothing to come with here. As far as I am concerned this discussion is over

 

[shelke]

ET is more similar to simple summoning jutsu, FTG is not

FTG is useful for every ninja, the examples you wrote are not

Look it's obvious you have nothing to come with here. As far as I am concerned this discussion is over

Not the point I made.

I have zero clue how that is of any relevance.

Clearly, given your arguments.

 

[Raijingan]

Not the point I made.

I have zero clue how that is of any relevance.

Clearly, given your arguments.

What point did you make then, and how is this not relevant? lol


I like how you use the "I don't understand" to try to win the argument

 

[Raijingan]

Not the point I made.

I have zero clue how that is of any relevance.

Clearly, given your arguments.

I'll have to read your excellent points on the morrow. Good night

 

[Ababeel]

=Flash Uchiha;16890072]For one, Minato is a failed ass ninja for not sensing that Tobi is obitio!

1- Obito was supposedly dead
2- had Hashirama's cells attached to him
3- his chakra changed
4- achieved MS and completely different fighting style
5- wore a mask to cover his face

yeah, it's hard to see why he couldn't sense him. Lol

2, They hyped his ass up to be one of the greatest shinobi ever! But ever since his place on the battlefield he just turned out to be an average ass ninja that went to college and picked teleport-no-jutsu major and had all the best mentors while his senior project was create "rasengan". Nothing special about him. He just been raised with a spoon in his mouth and had the best girlfriend in the village.

XD
he was never hyped to be as strong as Hagoromo. And did learn FTG and surpassed its creator with it and created his jutsus as well, and that was in a very young age....

I don't know man, I was die hard Minato fan before this war. I was like this ninja is the god!(I honestly believed that minato would beat the first hokage) I was like he Can't be touch! Im like he will "instant transmission kamehameha" anybody in NV! When he got to the battlefield first and stop the 10 tails's bomb. I was so happy as ****, I was like Madara about to get that ass raped! Then he pull out KCM, I was like it a done deal, nobody can't **** with him!

and what have Hashirama done that remotely close to what Minato did in this War? xd
He was using TnJ with the AS? Yeah, so great. xd

several chapters later, one arm, can't even save naruto, third hokage had to save him. He feeling guilty about his son going through so much suffering. All I said was no comment. Then he pull out the sage mode! I was happy as **** for a second! 10 seconds later, I stop acknowledging him for good.

And what he did with one arm?
1- Saving the entire SA from Obito
2- restoring Naruto's chakra twice to use BM
3- Using chakra arms to make the SA help pulling the Bijuus out
4- With no arms he still took almost all of Madara Gedu-damas leaving him open against Guy and the battle after that.
5- he cut the Tree branches with no arms...

it's your fault to think that he is the main character and think kishi will make him do every single thing.

So I feel like if anybody can master the same teleport-no-jutsu as Minato, they can basically be good as him or even better.

lol, if any body can master Kaguya's power as her he could be as strong as her or even stronger
if Yamato can master the Wood as Hashirama he would be as strong as him or stronger...etc

the thing is NOT anyone can master it like him, even Tobirama who created the jutsu is not as good as him. Lol

So to me Minato just an average ass ninja with some of the best jutsu(s)!

Must be why he is saving everyone's asses the whole time. lol

 

[shelke]

What point did you make then, and how is this not relevant? lol


I like how you use the "I don't understand" to try to win the argument

I don't understand them, because it's like I am saying 'condoms' and you are talking about 'state approved abortions'. Read my comments carefully. If you post something decent tomorrow, then I'll reply. Otherwise, I am not a fan of repeating the same things over and over again.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Minato is still a pretty powerful ninja for someone who has no special bloodlines.

 

[Stxluciferr]

I enjoy Minato's character, idk I guess I like the change of pace he brings to the table. And he's an elite shinobi, which always adds interest

 

[AlphaScythian]

I congratulate you one your brain being alive and well then

 

[Raijingan]

I don't understand them, because it's like I am saying 'condoms' and you are talking about 'state approved abortions'. Read my comments carefully. If you post something decent tomorrow, then I'll reply. Otherwise, I am not a fan of repeating the same things over and over again.

You have still posted no points or relevant arguments, but instead act all ignorant/stupid to discredit my arguments. I think I lost respect for you when you wrote that you didn't understand what I meant when I wrote how important and convenient FTG would be for everyone. Hey, I'll include the quote here.


FTG would be the best jutsu for anyone to learn. It would mean that during an assassination mission for example, you can enter the enemy base, run and kill the target and then FTG away before the other enemies react. Kakashi would find it useful.

It you had FTG you could retreat safely whenever you had trouble, you could mark your teammates so you could get to them if you got separated. You could travel the world much faster, espionage would be safer, everyday actions would be much more convenient for the jounins of konoha. And much more.


If you don't understand that then you are not worth talking to, and if you pull the "that was not my point" when I call your weak arguments then you better clarify your point. I have read your comments carefully, maybe you should read mine.

A good attitude during a discussion is better for both parties (Hope you understood that)

And if you are just pretending when you say you "don't understand" then I hope you'll realize that it doesn't help you while arguing.

So write something relevant where you clarify your point, otherwise we'll have to end this now.

 

[shelke]

You have still posted no points or relevant arguments, but instead act all ignorant/stupid to discredit my arguments. I think I lost respect for you when you wrote that you didn't understand what I meant when I wrote how important and convenient FTG would be for everyone. Hey, I'll include the quote here.

FTG would be the best jutsu for anyone to learn. It would mean that during an assassination mission for example, you can enter the enemy base, run and kill the target and then FTG away before the other enemies react. Kakashi would find it useful.

It you had FTG you could retreat safely whenever you had trouble, you could mark your teammates so you could get to them if you got separated. You could travel the world much faster, espionage would be safer, everyday actions would be much more convenient for the jounins of konoha. And much more.


If you don't understand that then you are not worth talking to, and if you pull the "that was not my point" when I call your weak arguments then you better clarify your point. I have read your comments carefully, maybe you should read mine.

A good attitude during a discussion is better for both parties (Hope you understood that)

And if you are just pretending when you say you "don't understand" then I hope you'll realize that it doesn't help you while arguing.

So write something relevant where you clarify your point, otherwise we'll have to end this now.

Man, for someone who can't wrap his head around analogies, you sure have a huge mouth. I didn't understand them as I was talking about something else or from a different angle, and I have no idea why you ignored those points and skipped to the next.

These points you have forwarded are about the usefulness of FTG. That much is a given. But do they coincide with what I was talking about? The flow of the conversation is important. We did not even come to usefulness, so why bring up this irrelevant point when the topic of our argument was complexity and aptitude?

Hope this was enough clarification.

 

[enditallsin]

Hey now... their are more ninja than minato that didn't live up to their hype, but I can say minato lived up to most of his, hell! I can name at lest 3 ninja(I can name more but im keeping it at a minimum of 3) that didn't live up to their hype and failed at lot worst than minato did.

 

[Raijingan]

Man, for someone who can't wrap his head around analogies, you sure have a huge mouth. I didn't understand them as I was talking about something else or from a different angle, and I have no idea why you ignored those points and skipped to the next.

These points you have forwarded are about the usefulness of FTG. That much is a given. But do they coincide with what I was talking about? The flow of the conversation is important. We did not even come to usefulness, so why bring up this irrelevant point when the topic of our argument was complexity and aptitude?

Hope this was enough clarification.

So you do understand? Good. Yes the usefulness of FTG is very much revelant as every shinobi would have great need of it. It's not just a fighting move, it's very versatile. And anyone who can learn it should learn it, because it can be applied to a whole lot more than any other jutsu.

Why doesn't everyone learn healing? It's very difficult and has a limited application. You can heal injuries, that's it.

Why doesn't everyone learn how to open gates? It's very difficult and has a limited application. You become stronger and faster, that's it.

It doesn't even come close to the range of application that FTG has.

Why can't all ninja dispel genjutsu? That has really nothing to do with the complexity of FTG. It's like coming with the argument "Why aren't everyone smart then?", when the discussion is about whether Rocket science is more complex than particle physics.

Your argument is thin. It's obvious that teleportation is the most useful jutsu there is, and everyone should strive to learn it. Learning FTG as a ninja is like getting your car license if you live in the country side. If you don't do it, it means you are unable to do it. The fact that only two people have ever learned FTG prooves that it is a highly difficult jutsu, if not the most difficult jutsu to learn.


That's about it concerning your previous comment, minus the irrelevant stuff. Did I touch upon your "point"?


Edit:

Of course it's all about aptitude. Every skill in Naruto is like that, including edo tensei. I don't get why that is relevant at all