Sakura vs Part 1 Gai
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This is borderline ridiculous. Gai has not shown the speed to blitz Sakura in Part 1. Blitzing a Fodder Sound Ninja is not impressive in the slightest and intercepting a Chunin Exams Gaara's Sand does not warrant him the speed to blitz Sakura either. Sakura wins this handily.
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Okay with 5th gate, this becomes a closer fight. Sakura still wins mid-high difficulty though since Gai can't kill her and can't do anything if Sakura decides to outlast him by standing on top of Katsuyu. Katsuyu doesn't become useless, its minis can still surround Sakura, making it problematic for Gai to actually come close because they'll form a moat/barrier around her. Sakura wins because of her stamina and range advantage (
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). Omoi sent her back flying back before Sakura ever had the Yin seal. Furthermore, Sakura was going for Karui, Omoi blindsided Sakura while
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.Feats show Sakura being faster with the Yin seal than ever before (
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) and a chakra upgrade has always resulted in increased speed as evident with jinchuriki chakra cloaks, senjutsu and even Deidara's C1 chakra (
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). In scan (
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), Kaguya was escaping Naruto and Sasuke by flying upwards but then Sakura came above Kaguya, she still managed to land a hit despite Kaguya's speed (
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) and this was before Kaguya's recent powerup which made her even faster (
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). Sure Kaguya was travelling upwards right into Sakura but Sakura managed to react to Kaguya coming upwards and successfully connect her punch instead of Kaguya's own body smashing into Sakura before Sakura being able to land a hit. Again if Gai tries to rush Sakura like that, he gets pummelled. In scan (
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), Sakura manages to react to incoming chakra arms from Kaguya and temporarily avoid them for a few seconds. Naruto mentioned these chakra arms are extremely fast, you do the math. What feats does 5th gate Gai have that put him on this level of speed? Absolutely none. Now don't get me wrong, Sakura is no where near the level of speed compared to the chakra arms or 5th gate Gai but my point is her being able to visually and mentally keep up and still able to physically react even though no where near as fast. What this means is that all Sakura has to do is move her body parts a few inches and Gai's attempts at decapitation fail miserably. Scan 3 is self evident but let me explain it to you what is so significant about it. The portal was only 2m away from Sakura/Obito. The sea of acid has a fairly large AoE and despite carrying Obito, Sakura managed to cover a pretty large distance. BTW Obito himself couldn't save himself in that situation and the guy was fast enough to react to high level speedsters. I know Obito was weak and tired but don't act like Sakura was at 100%.
In scan 4, Sakura managed to catch up to the Juubi clone that she herself sent flying away with her immense strength. The speed of the Juubi clone left a smoke trail.
Correct me if I am wrong, but base Gai's best speed feats in part one include blitzing part one team 7, no named sound nin and part one Gaara's sand. None of these are any impressive and Sakura is easily capable of doing the same.
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He can kill her because of his kunai. Of course this is not his normal way of fighting but with the situation at hand, he has no option but resort to it since his opponent isn't one that can be killed easily.
She stands on top of Katsuya and then Gai moves up the air and attacks since 5G Lee was shown to be able to attack while in air. Even though she stands on top Katsuya, Gai can evade Katusuya's acid which won't be problematic even with his Base speed. Sakura is basically useless on top of Katsuya.
When Katsuya splits, she reduces in size. About that scan you posted.. I hope you're not saying Sakura's going to engage Gai in a CQC when he can evade her close combat attacks and proceed to blitz with the 5G.
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Ok? Pretty sure Yin seal isn't going to suddenly boost her speed sooo high and Omoi was right there
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If anything Sakura was slow enough to land a hit on Karui. As you can see in the bottom left
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Karui steps up to attack when Sakura's almost about to land her punch.None of this even mean anything
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I don't know how this shows anything. I don't know how this shows a rapid increase in speed.
Sakura isn't all that as shown with how she couldn't hit her head directly with that chance considering Kaguya was moving at a fast speed towards Sakura's position meanwhile Sakura was also moving towards her position. Kaguya already evaded Sasuke. Unless you think Sakura> Sasuke which is a complete joke. She had no time because of the situation at hand. I'd love to see Sakura do that with Sasuke and Naruto not being a major distraction and then I'll acknowledge it.
Chakra arms:
She evaded it before it could get there or she moved from a position before it was even close to the ground? I wonder why Naruto then told Sasuke to use his eye power to save her. Kakashi's susanoo saved her or else she would have been killed
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You can see the arms hit the ground as soon as she was picked up.Juubi clones:
You say I'm using Gai's feat of blitzing a sound nin but why are we then talking of Juubi clones that got blitz by Hinata as well? Clones that couldn't evade a K11's attacks.
As for the Deidara scan. Ok? He was almost blitz right after that which is funny
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. Yin doesn't increase your speed to a completely different level. This is the part I don't get. Unless we think Sakura is superior to Sasuke in terms of speed then I'll accept this. How is it that a slower Kaguya reacted to Sasuke and then a faster one couldn't react to Sakura? That's crazy Lol.
So this puts Sakura on par with Gai in speed? Not a chance. Part 1 Base Gai was the only one asides Itachi to have a 5 in speed. That's with no enhancements further emphasizing his speed. With 5G since he's far superior to Lee, no way he's getting pummeled. We saw Lee's movements with the 5G. Something Sakura has never displayed. Imagine a 5G Gai.
I see what you mean about the Gai cutting her instantly. Though that doesn't mean he won't eventually cut her Lol. You said it yourself. She temporarily avoided them and that is the same here. The chakra arms were fast true but eventually they caught her so it doesn't even show much of her speed at all when she couldn't dodge it before it reached her exact position. Let's not forget they weren't even fast enough to dodge shurikens so you're making it seem like it's on another class in terms of speed. Regardless she'll still get cut even though she avoids it for sometime.
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No it's not. I just see Sakura dodging something that's not as fast as her opponent or her dodging something that suggest her speed increased when it's not significant at all.
She covered the distance but what does that show when she was hit by the acid and then jumped up while the acid was still flowing out. Basically the acid was flowing and obito looked at and saw it was a sea of acid as he said to himself before Sakura then had time to evade it
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Not all that fast at all. It touched her but she was saved by her clothes
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The acid isn't something that's all that fastYou said it yourself. Obito was tired because he would have evaded it or used Kamui. As for Sakura, Why? We're going to say she wasn't 100% or wasn't in a good state when she wasn't doing anything before that makes us to think so? Obito was far worse than she was in terms of condition meanwhile she wasn't in a bad state at all.
Ok and Hinata blitz a Juubi clone as well. Same with some of the other K11 members that made the clones look like fodder
Sakura's speed feats aren't impressive as well. This guy has a 5 in base in all 3 DB when it comes to speed so don't at all think I'm overrating him in terms of speed
The sand one is really overlooked.
You can see the distance between the sand hand and Lee. Gai in that scan was still in his position, that is he hadn't moved from there at all. He's still at the stands where he was watching. Before the hand could move any further despite the distance, Gai already got there and intercepted it. That is extremely fast. Coupled with the fact that Sasuke questioned if he was human due to his speed and said he was stronger than Kakashi so it's not crazy to think Base Gai would be problematic for Sakura
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No, Sakura survived getting stabbed by a
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, Tsunade survived getting stabbed by
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in her abdomen. A little kunai isn't killing her unless he can split her in two. However, splitting someone in two with a small kunai is improbably. His only chance at victory is aiming it at her neck and then cutting it apart. When Gai and Lee use gates at their max speed, they are going so fast that they can't accurately aim their hits on the opponent's vitals (
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) so it is unlikely that Gai moving at his full speed will be able to accurately aim at Sakura's neck, which is smaller than her head. On the other hand, if Gai decides to slow down to more accurately aim at her neck, it will give Sakura the time to react and move her neck away a few inches. Here is an analogy, when Ay decided to bull rush Juugo with a punch without aiming for his vitals, he managed to blitz him without Juugo being able to move at all (
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), he'll have lost most of his speed by the time he gets near Sakura allowing him to kill him. If he ends up running on Katsuyu, he won't be able to properly run on a slimy creature.Katsuyu's total volume remains constant and the surface area all the clones cover actually increases. My point is they surround Sakura, creating a zone of safety around her (
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). These are tens of thousands of minis considering they were used to guard the population of Konoha which includes tens of thousands of people.About your rebuttal to my second scan, no that isn't what I'm saying at all, Sakura doesn't need to hit Gai directly to do damage to him or at the very least, keep him at bay.
@Bold, don't you mean fast enough to land a hit on Karui? You keep on twisting words around to make Sakura seem slow. Omoi saved Karui before Sakura landed her punch which goes to show Sakura would have landed her punch before Karui.
I never said Sakura is anywhere near as fast as Sasuke or Kaguya, stop twisting my words. Her not hitting Kaguya's head directly doesn't mean it isn't a speed feat for Sakura considering Kaguya's speed is god level. I never said Kaguya can't evade Sakura so no I don't think Sakura is anywhere near Sasuke in terms of speed. However, both Kaguya and Sasuke are far faster than any form of Gai barring 8th gate so your point is moot.
The chakra arm was always near Sakura in the scan I posted as it was close to the ground by about 3 m above Sakura. I never said Sakura was fast enough to outright evade the attack. I said she could visually keep up with the chakra arms and mentally reacted fast enough to attempt running away.
I'm not talking about blitzing the clone, I'm talking about Sakura catching up to the same clone she ended up launching away from her. This wasn't the clone's speed, it was the speed at which Sakura sent it flying yet she manages to catch up to it just next panel.
You don't get the point, increasing the quantity/quality of chakra increases your speed and the chakra of the Yin seal is on a completely different level to Sakura's base chakra. Hence the reason why Sakura's punch is so much more stronger
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unlocking the yin seal than
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and the yin seal grants a large amount of Sakura to use, much more chakra than Gai has so Sakura's shunshin is going to be greater than Gai despite Gai having greater raw foot speed. I see no reason why current Sakura isn't far superior in speed to her former self. Kaguya could have reacted to Sakura but she kept going upwards. My point with the speed feat is that despite Kaguya moving upwards at such a massive speed and Sakura moving downwards, Sakura was still able to punch Kaguya before Kaguya bypassed Sakura completely or simply bumped into Sakura before Sakura landed that punch of her's. BTW back during the Sasuke and Sai arc, Sakura
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yet she manages to keep track of Kaguya's speed in that instance who is far faster than EP2 Sasuke so obviously even her visual prowess and ability to track her opponents has increased. I never said Sakura is on par with Gai in speed. All I'm saying is that if he tries to blitz her head off, he'll just end up running right into Sakura's fist like Kaguya did. Of course both Gai and Kaguya can dodge Sakura's punches with ease, don't misinterpret the scenario I'm countering with a general statement of Sakura being able to land her punches on characters faster than her.
Okay this is a good point. Even though Sakura can react to Gai's speed, she can't do it forever but she can do it for long enough to summon Katsuyu which renders any attempt at blitzing Sakura's head off useless. Also Sakura can last long enough to destroy the terrain, making it harder for Gai to use his speed thereby making him be more careful in running around on uneven and broken terrain.
Why isn't it any significant?
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aimed at him yet Sakura managed to dodge the acid and save Obito at the same time with only minor burns. This puts her speed above Zabuza who is as fast as part one Kakashi. The AoE of the acid and the fact it was fired at her from close to her shouldn't be underlooked. Yes 5th gate Gai is on a whole other level of speed, true, but base Gai isn't that much faster. Also ninjas can react to speeds much faster than their own as shown countless times in the manga such as Tobirama reacting to Juubito,
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, who by scaling should be on a whole other level in speed compared to KCM Minato due to being Juubi's jinchuuriki as opposed to Kyuubi jinchuriki, who is superior to base Minato for obvious reasons
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. Sakura managed to react to Kaguya flying upwards and managed to send her flying back down, she isn't getting blitzed by 5th gate Gai who is far slower. Obito and Sakura were expecting to find Sasuke in the other dimension yet acid was coming out so they were in a state of shock. The acid was being propelled downwards by gravity whereas Sakura leapt to a nearby hill. In other words, while the acid was freely flowing thanks to gravity giving it speed, Sakura had to do work against gravity all the while carrying Obito.
Sakura had already exhausted herself long before even when she had a Kyuubi cloak previously (
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). Generally speaking, a character with his/her full chakra reserves is a lot faster which is evident in how slow Itachi and Sasuke were moving by the end of their fight. I'm not talking about Sakura blitzing the clone, I'm talking about the fact that she sent it flying with her punch which has an incredible amount of momentum/energy. The clone was sent flying so fast that it created a huge trail of smoke yet Sakura caught up to it. Hinata never sent a clone flying and never caught up to it.
Okay I'll admit the sand one is pretty amazing, base Gai is faster than Yin seal Sakura for sure but being faster doesn't grant you victory. Gai was a lot faster than Madara but he lost the fight. Lee was a lot faster than Gaara but he too lost that fight.
Aiming for the neck isn't a problem. The thing is if you aim for a particular spot, you'll hit it if you have the speed to do so since you're moving at high speed towards your aim. You're talking about them just rushing in and attacking. This is different from aiming and moving at high speed towards your particular aim. I'll give you an example:
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Of course this is a tag team but my point is at high speed both could move towards their aim.
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Lee moves at a very high speed and changes his stance but still hits underneath Gaara's mouth because that's the aim
As for the Ay and Jugo part, how do you know he was aiming for his vitals? That scan shows Ay trying to punch him not aiming for his vitals with Jugo even managing to react.
How was he trying to chop Sasuke when you can see his hand was folded meaning he wasn't trying to chop or slice but rather punch him down. This is him trying to chop or slice
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. Good point but the thing is Lee has shown to move at constant high speed while in the air in that Gaara's fight. If anything he can summon Ningame to boost him. The distance between Gai and Sakura on top of Katsuyu shouldn't be that much of a big deal.
Run on a slimy creature? How about with Chakra control? Similar to running on water? It is very possible since Ninjas don't fall while walking on water which is pretty much harder to walk on than slimy surfaces. I showed you a scan of what happened to the ground and its surface when 5G Lee ran towards Gaara. If he can run on Katsuyu, then the same or worse happens.
I agree but won't that render Sakura useless though since she won't be attacking him whole being protected like that?
Ok but he can simply jump and evade her punch with intel on her damage. Yin increases her strength right but I'm pretty sure it runs out as well? Same with Byakugo as well. Though the range is pretty large but simply jumping out of it's range(That is jumping upwards shouldn't be a problem) The clones that were affected were on the ground and sent flying upwards after the attack. She couldn't even see one of the clones cuz of the dust :
Red arrow: I don't know how she didn't notice the clone when it was right in front of here. She was looking forward and the looked back meaning she didn't see it due to the dust or whatever that was caused from her attack
Purple arrow: If her range is so wide I wonder why that clone that was within the range is still alive after the attack. Gai can then jump back and dodge it and still won't be affected
Purple arrow: If her range is so wide I wonder why that clone that was within the range is still alive after the attack. Gai can then jump back and dodge it and still won't be affected
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Not to mention the other clones were falling down just like that after Sakura's first punch on just one of them while it passed the rest without touching them meanwhile when it passed Naruto and Sasuke, they were still on their feet
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The clones are fodderNot at all. Karui was busy with Naruto with Naruto as you can see her holding her sword
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meanwhile Sakura was trying to punch her but couldn't since Omoi reacted to her fast enough. How am I twisting words? Because she wasn't at all fast enough to hit someone that wasn't paying attention to her?
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Sakura tried to punch first and then Omoi reacted as you can see in that scan. He leaps up after the punch and kicks her away. Not to mention Sakura isn't blind when Omoi was right there with Karui
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Did I say you said that? I was trying to tell you it doesn't show anything when Kaguya already reacted to someone wayy faster and it was due to the situation at hand that enabled Sakura to land a hit which wasn't even direct. You're now trying to ignore what happened and trying to imply because Sakura hit a god level opponent, she's fast enough to evade attacks or compete with high leveled opponents in terms of speed which is completely false at least from how it looks. So you don't think she's anywhere near Sasuke and you're also saying they're far faster than any version of Gai which is completely true but not the case here. Why say that? What are you then trying to imply? I hope this in the end doesn't mean Sakura would be able to land a hit on any gated version of Gai because she landed a hit on Kaguya despite the situation at hand? Correct me if I misunderstood this point but it sounds a bit like that. This is basically saying because Kaguya was cornered and eventually hit despite already evading 2 people at that point who far exceed Sakura, we're going to ignore everything and praise Sakura's speed which wasn't really significant. Pretty sure if Base Gai did that, this won't even be looked at.
Ok true but she would have been killed eventually though.
Pretty sure the speed it was traveling isn't as fast as Base Gai's speed at all. 5G Gai is a completely different case.
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The clone is still sent flying and looking at that exact scan properly, Sakura isn't even keeping up with the speed at which its traveling as you can see it's ahead of her. In the end, she punches the ground and not the clone.Yes it does increase her strength significantly but definitely not the same as her speed. If that's the case then Gai can also focus chakra to his feet. The Yin seal didn't show us any far more significant speed. Not at all. Having chakra or adding chakra isn't going to boost your speed to a completely different level all the time. Similar to how Kimmimaro when accessing CM2 state got slower. The Yin is noted for it's strength alone. I don't even know how what you've shown implies that her shunsin is going to be greater than Gai's speed when he can simply focus chakra to his feet the same way sakura did. Every ninja can just focus chakra to their feet
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to make them faster similar to the Sakura and Ino scan you showed me if that's the case. It doesn't matter how much Chakra she can focus to her feet when it's not going to put her on the same level with some speedsters. She hasn't been noted at all to be on that level in terms of speed and feats don't really show her being immensely fast despite that.I even saw her using a hand sign there in that scan with Ino. She does that and she's finished.
She isn't far superior since she hasn't shown it. If she's far superior, then her base is incredibly slow.
So Sakura kept track? Kaguya was hit by Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke were coming for her, Sakura was above her already, she moved up evading 2 speedsters while Sakura was moving down and Kaguya ended up getting hit. Wow Sakura is on a different level in terms of speed. She was going upwards because she was trying to evade them with her high speed. She managed to even evade Sakura despite moving at that high speed just that her horn got hit instead.
Not to mention I wonder how she's keeping track when she was already coming from above Kaguya waiting for an opening.
Oh Boy. Kaguya getting punched is absolutely nothing. She moving at high speed towards Sakura without even trying to attack her. is Completely different from Gai running towards her trying to cut her head off.
No you're not countering it because you keep using this Kaguya's scenario which doesn't connect at all. Yes she can land a punch but it depends on the situation hand.
I see. That's why Hinata was Casually using 64 palms on it
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and that's why Naruto and Sasuke ran on it to save Sakura afterwards.Is that how you judge speed?
-That attack covers larger AOE from the very start. That attack is faster than a pool of acid. That in no way proves you're right concerning Sakura being faster.
I'll tell you why the acid one wasn't all that and shouldn't be compared to the Zabuza's case:
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Obito looked up at it and was surprised when it was coming down. The acid then landed on the ground, Obito is then shown looking at it downwards and realizes it's a sea of acid. As soon as it spreads close to Sakura's clothes, she jumps up. She wasn't really caught by surprise unlike Zabuza. Meaning they weren't really close and had enough time to evade it. Another thing is from the very moment the acid started flowing, it didn't cover a large AOE. Why? Because in that scan I showed, You can see some of the acid in little bits spilling on her clothes and then she dodged it before it could come out further. If she really dodged the whole thing, she won't have acids on her clothes as shown that the acid didn't come out in full at the very start
Base Gai isn't as fast obviously and ninjas can indeed react but would eventually get blitzed as shown with Deidara leaping up bird as he notes Sasuke is too fast.
Tobirama reacted after he was blitzed though. A tag is nothing here. Not saying Sakura would be blitz instantly but eventually she will.
I explained what happened already. It landed and they saw it.
Ok Kaguya already exhausted herself with Sasuke and Naruto as well. She was very exhausted too Lol. A lot transpired and we didn't see? Her condition was nowhere near Itachi's and Sasuke's. Regeneration slowed her down?
Ok I misunderstood and addressed it earlier.
Durability was a factor. TSB was a factor. The sand shield was a factor. Here is pretty different. Gai stamina is pretty high. He can fight in his base if Sakura decides to confront him in a CqC and dodge her attacks till her byakugo runs out. Pretty sure Tsunade's own lasted not too long. Even in a CQC she dies since he'll end up blitzing with a Kunai after a while.
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