[VS] Kakashi vs Minato

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BM Minato has enough fire power to deal with current Kakashi . Not mention Minato's speed and reflexes in BM . Kakashi chakra isn't infinity he can't Kamui himself along with the Susano'o forever . We know what Kurama's chakra can do when you are a perfect Jinchuriki . Clones + TBB Barrage + Hiraishin are too much for Kakashi to handle . However if this is Base Minato against Current Kakashi , Kakasho will win , but BM Minato wins here .

 

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This panel proves that 3 tomoe sharingan Kakashi's reflexes/reaction are equal with KCM Minato's. Therefor Kakashi's reflexes/reaction are much better than base Minato's.

you must be blind. Can't you see that minato is actually ahead of him.

you fail to remember 2x Kamui is 2x the speed of it. no way in hell Minato can keep up he'd need to full Kyuubi to even give it a fair shot

And you fail to remember that kamuis warping speed was only doubled because Kakashi used it on Obito while he was already warping with his kamui. That's why the speed doubled.

And since there's no proof that Kakashi can simultaneously use both eyes at the same time, then I have no reason to believe that his kamui speed is doubled. To clarify, Kakashi must use both kamuis at the same time on himself, so until he does otherwise, it's not possible.

Kamui isn't touching minato, especially when he has intel and is prepared for it. His speed and reactions surpass Kakashi's by a lot, and in BM it's even more of a gap. If minato is constantly moving or teleporting at high speeds, then Kakashi won't even be able to focus enough on the target to warp it. We also don't know if he can use kamui while on Susanoo, because that would mean he'd have to rip a hole through is Susanoo in order to target outside of it.

Honestly don't know you guys are trying so hard with a featless Kakashi. We don't even properly know what he can and can't do, hope much strain his MS causes etc. what I do know is that kamui (no matter how fast), isn't instant. But FTG is, and Minatos foot speed is way above Kakashi's.

 

[lelerskates]

First scenario: Kakashi

Second scenario: Minato

Edit - I read the first scenario wrong. I'm assuming this is just 1 MS Kakashi. Then minato takes both scenarios.

Don't be a bias fanboy. Kakashi obviously wins #2.

 

[Migster257]

Re: Kakashi vs Minatov

Alright, so if someone disagrees with you, you deciide to call them butthurt, yet you have no scans in your argument, and then instead of sticking to the topic you resort to insulting me and call me a ''little kid''
if youre going to resort to such methods, then i wont be wasting my time,

P.S - minato is not my favorite character and in the VS section i dont bring favoritism in my responses,

It's not that you disagree with my opinion. It's the fact that you sound completely like a little kid. You could've simply said "It's never happening," as opposed to, "never ever happening." Wow, I suppose now that you've told me that you're 0% biased, I should believe you. Btw, I'm also unbiased. I don't have scans in my posts because frankly, I'm on a phone, and the amount of time necessary to type and do all that crap is far longer than on a computer. You could look it up yourself considering how much knowledge you have on the manga.

FTG is faster than Kamuii,, be it double kamui or not,
furthermore the bold is pure wank, and butthurt over Obitos loss,
his jutsu was still the same,

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, his kamui usage MAY have improved, but the speed of his warps and his jutsus itself is still the same meaning that FTG would still triumph over it in a battle of speed,

moreover, even the slightest speed difference between kamui and FTG is more than enough for Minato to land a blow on Kakashi/Obito here,
whether kamuis speed be double or not, FTG is still faster, and thats all that matters,

-I know FTG is faster, it's instant.
-Really? His Jutsu is the same? Then, kindly tell me why Kakashi's Kamui became faster as time passed? "It's not the same eye." So, basically, you would be telling me that one eye improves over time, while the other is already perfect? My point would be much more logical if that was your response.
-I never said Kamui could beat FTG in speed, because it can't. My argument is that Minato will not be able to touch Kakashi, because he can't teleport a Rasengan or whatever you want, into Kakashi. He'd simply teleport behind Kakashi and proceed to move the rest of his body. This next process is not instant.
-"Even the slightest speed will be enough" This is complete wank. In the scan that you posted yourself, the space between Obito and Minato was gigantic, it made me wonder why Obito couldn't activate his Kamui before. Then, I realized that he was a kid that had no practice with it, therefore his reflexes and reaction times were still below average from a normal shinobi.

Wow, @Bold Lol
I typed the methods to explaiin my reasoning, which you clearly havnt provided any,
it doesnt mean that its a struggle, since its clearly not as much struggle to land a hit as itll be for the kamui users,
who clearly wont be able to keep up with the speed of FTG,

That bold is even funnier than mine. Kindly show me the scan that Kakashi clearly wasn't able to keep up with FTG speed. Oh, wait, you can't. It was never explicitly stated.

Kage Bunshins (Shadow Clones) are one of the best counters to kamui alongside FTG,
Shadow Clones can

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, similar to how Naruto and Kakashi did in canon,
and Shadow clones can also be used as a diversion to attack the kamui users the moment they solidifiy to attack by outnumbering them

whilst

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as this would result in

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now combine FTG alongside tagged shadow clones, and this would result in Minato being able to swiitch places with his KB, alongside the KB being able to outnumber obito and attack him the moment he solidifies and with the clones being able to attack him from the other dimension, as well as minatos FTG being outrunning the kamui users,

so yes FTG and KB are one of the best counters to kamui, which Minato possesses here,

It's funny that you think Kakashi is even going to Kamui a clone inside of the usual Kamuiland. What's stopping him from sniping their head off? He's nowhere near stupid enough to teleport an entire clone inside.
-He also has more than one dimension he can teleport it into (Like I need to provide a scan for this)
-It's also funny that you think Minato can throw his marked Kunai without it being disrupted I someway. Are you telling me Kakashi can't Kamui these kunai away before they reach their destination?
-With that being said, Kakashi will warp the kunai that would give him a disadvantage. So, basically, if Minato throws three Kunai, aimed left, right, and straight, he will warp the middle one so Minato would be unable to teleport behind him. As a matter of fact, I firmly believe that he could murder Minato before he even draws Kunai. I think you said he wins both scenarios, which he doesn't. Base Minato does not have the speed to match a double long range Kamui.
- Is Kakashi unable to make KB or did I miss something? He can make clones the same way Minato does. His chakra reserves are gigantic now, as shown by the fact that he can even manifest a PS and handle two Sharingan.

You write this entire passage, but its as good as nothing, since you contradict urself completely
you stated that kakashi turned his head, yet he failed to activate kamui, furthermore kakashis reflexes are NOT instant just how you stated that minatos movements arent,
but minatos movements and reflexes are still higher than kakashi and with his jutsu being also faster than kakshi, alongside his kunais being marked (he can use FTG lvl2) means that he is landing his blow before kakashi is,, since kamui still has an activation time, and with kakashi failing to react to FTG and the instant later, minato will mark him,
so it doesnt matter if kakashi can react to minatos arm movements, the fact is that with minato using FTG (which is faster than kamui) whilst kakashi has NOT activated kamui, you believe that he will activate the kamui, by reacting to minatos FTG speed and manage to evade the attack by activating kamui before minato executes his attack,
Lol seriously just stop

-How did I contradict myself? I said he didn't activate Kamui because he was exhausted. He already died from chakra exhaustion once.
-No, Kakashi's reflexes aren't instant, but they far surpass a 14-year-old's and Minato's normal movements
-Intanigibilty can be instant. Why? Well, as far as I know, Obito's never been hit when he's had this. It could be instant, but their reflexes aren't, as shown by Obito being hit by Minato. Long Range Kamui has activation time, but double intangibility is so fast that you basically won't be able to tell the difference between FTG and Kamui. Even if it wasn't instant, the speed difference is so little that it becomes insignificant.

n BM he most certainly can,
with his BM sensing he would be able to sense the chakra built up for the long range kamui and with his base speed and stats (which is already quite impressive to begin with) being exponentially increased
he most likely can,

No one's escaping a double long range Kamui just by foot speed, get over it. A single one was still able to warp part of the GM even when it got teleported. If he gets caught in a Kamui, he's done for. He isn't going to be teleporting around the battle ground the entire time, unless you want him to die.

Compare base naruto to BM naruto,
their difference in speed and reflexes is immense,
and now apply the same scale to base minato and you get BM Minato,
and as for the bold,

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ohh wait, thats right he couldnt,

This goes both ways. A 14-year-old Obito does not have the speed nor reflexes to even fight base Minato. Obito and Kakashi are not the same.

the bold is another misconception, while susanoo activation is quite fast,
its not faster than the speed of lightning that pure BS,

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and with itachi noticing it, he most likely activated susanoo before the jutsu was executed,
meaning that he simply activated it the moment sasuke released his arm down,

so NO, susanoo activation is not faster than lightning since for that to happen itachis reflexes would enable him to track the speed of light which is clearly not the case,

It's funny because this also goes both ways. Kishi never specifically said which scenario happened, so we can keep guessing forever. Either way, I'm dropping it.

OT: Base Minato loses horribly. He doesn't start off with FTG Kunai set-up. He's dead.
BM Minato requires time to activate that mode as well. At least far slower than a Kamui snipe. If he starts off in BM Mode, he does not have the base speed to evade a double long range Kamui, as I already said above.

Me not showing any scans is irrelevant. This entire argument is based on a hypothetical situation that Kakashi can even use the other eye power. That also reminds me, how is Minato going to get past a Perfect Susanoo that can go intangible?

 

[ARGUS]

Re: Kakashi vs Minatov

It's not that you disagree with my opinion. It's the fact that you sound completely like a little kid. You could've simply said "It's never happening," as opposed to, "never ever happening." Wow, I suppose now that you've told me that you're 0% biased, I should believe you. Btw, I'm also unbiased. I don't have scans in my posts because frankly, I'm on a phone, and the amount of time necessary to type and do all that crap is far longer than on a computer. You could look it up yourself considering how much knowledge you have on the manga.

An avatar and a sig of kakashi, and ive seen you in several threads overrating kamui/obito and kakashi,
yet you claim that youre unbiased, I obviously wont believe you either,

And Lol @Bold - you dont have the time to provide scans but you have the time to insult me, and then instead of proving your point through evidence, you instead resort to saying, ''look it up yourself'' that is just pathetic,

-I know FTG is faster, it's instant.
-Really? His Jutsu is the same? Then, kindly tell me why Kakashi's Kamui became faster as time passed? "It's not the same eye." So, basically, you would be telling me that one eye improves over time, while the other is already perfect? My point would be much more logical if that was your response.

Lol No
@Bold - Kakashis kamui speed never really changed, he just became more proficient into using it, and can use it more times due to his improvement in stamina, thats all there is, the warping speed of his right eye remained the same,,
and as for Obito, his kamui warping speed has never really changed either, he as well became more proficient into using it,

the jutsus speed is and properties never really changed for either of the two, they just became more proficient into using it through more experience, and with the speed of their kamui warps still being slower than FTG,,and with both of them still being unable to react to FTG, they would lose the battle against minato regardless of their proficiency,

-I never said Kamui could beat FTG in speed, because it can't. My argument is that Minato will not be able to touch Kakashi, because he can't teleport a Rasengan or whatever you want, into Kakashi. He'd simply teleport behind Kakashi and proceed to move the rest of his body. This next process is not instant.

Ok, so you believe that kakashi would activate his kamui before minato manages to land a mark that is executed after FTG (which kakashi wont be able to react to) especially when minato has already executed his jutsu (which is faster than kakashis), before kakashi, has? Lol No,

and as for the bold, No, why would minato bother to teleport the the entire body, especially when he can land a mark and seeing how once that happens, kakashi is done for,

-"Even the slightest speed will be enough" This is complete wank. In the scan that you posted yourself, the space between Obito and Minato was gigantic, it made me wonder why Obito couldn't activate his Kamui before. Then, I realized that he was a kid that had no practice with it, therefore his reflexes and reaction times were still below average from a normal shinobi.

How is it wank, when the battle between Kamui and FTG is all about speeed, especiallly seeing how

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yet you claim my statement as ''complete wank'' where have i wanked minato???
like i said, just because i have disagreed with you doesnt mean im wanking the other character.,

and as for the Bold - Lol, the answer is simple because

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his experience, age and proficiency is mere assumption and rather irrelevant due to the fact that when he is marked, he would be unable to even move a finger before minato lands his attacks, since his attacks would be landed instantly on obito,

whether the space is large or not, FTG is instant teleportation, and Obito is never reacting to FTG when a mark is placed on him,

That bold is even funnier than mine. Kindly show me the scan that Kakashi clearly wasn't able to keep up with FTG speed. Oh, wait, you can't. It was never explicitly stated.

What are you on about!.

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keeping up with let alone reacting to an FTG is just funny and wrong,
it doesnt need to be explicitly stated,, since its obvious that kakashis reflexes and reaction feats are no where near the top tiers, as even juubito was constantly attacked the moment he was marked

It's funny that you think Kakashi is even going to Kamui a clone inside of the usual Kamuiland. What's stopping him from sniping their head off? He's nowhere near stupid enough to teleport an entire clone inside.

Kakashi cant decipher the clone, and even if he tries to snipe its head off, the clone is also tagged,, therefore would be able to evade the warp with FTG,
so even if hes not stupid, his attacks are still evaded with FTG, as the moment he solidifies to attack, the other clones or minato can landd a blow on him and mark him,

-He also has more than one dimension he can teleport it into (Like I need to provide a scan for this)

Lol - The only dimension he can teleport into is Kamui,
so yes you need to provide a scan for this,, but oh wait! you dont have any

-It's also funny that you think Minato can throw his marked Kunai without it being disrupted I someway. Are you telling me Kakashi can't Kamui these kunai away before they reach their destination?

The marked kunai are just for diversions to allow minato to enhance his use of FTG,, and the kunais are also seals for minato to be able to teleport to, in-order to evade kakashis attacks
if kakashi does try to kamui all the kunai

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throughout the battlefield, do you seriouslly think minato would just stand there,
especiialy seeing how he is aware of kamui and would try to attack him since kakashi would have to solidify, furthermore kakashi is never warping all the spread kunai at the same time, thats BS

-With that being said, Kakashi will warp the kunai that would give him a disadvantage. So, basically, if Minato throws three Kunai, aimed left, right, and straight, he will warp the middle one so Minato would be unable to teleport behind him. As a matter of fact, I firmly believe that he could murder Minato before he even draws Kunai.

Minato has many kunais, and he would still have the other 2 kunais to teleport to in your premise,
not to mention that minato can form markings throughout the battlefield and doesnt only rely on the kunai,
i have countered the rest of ur BS above

I think you said he wins both scenarios, which he doesn't. Base Minato does not have the speed to match a double long range Kamui.

what i said is
BM Minato > DMS Kakashi > Base Minato
so no, i dont think base minato is beating PS dont try to make up conclusions,

- Is Kakashi unable to make KB or did I miss something? He can make clones the same way Minato does. His chakra reserves are gigantic now, as shown by the fact that he can even manifest a PS and handle two Sharingan.

He can make KB but he cant make use of them as well as Minato can, especially when Minato would mark the clones and assist them with FTG and the clones can evade all of kakashis attacks and can attack him the moment he solidifies, and even if minato is caught blindsided, he can swap himself with a clone thus preventing him,
the rest is irrelevant

-How did I contradict myself? I said he didn't activate Kamui because he was exhausted. He already died from chakra exhaustion once.
-No, Kakashi's reflexes aren't instant, but they far surpass a 14-year-old's and Minato's normal movements

Kakashis refllexes are not above Minatos, they are not even above A's
im gna need proof for the bold, but u dont have any,

-Intanigibilty can be instant. Why? Well, as far as I know, Obito's never been hit when he's had this. It could be instant, but their reflexes aren't, as shown by Obito being hit by Minato. Long Range Kamui has activation time, but double intangibility is so fast that you basically won't be able to tell the difference between FTG and Kamui. Even if it wasn't instant, the speed difference is so little that it becomes insignificant.

Obito has been hit quite a lot of times, i wont bother with this denial that you have if u dont agree with it
double intangibility is still slower than FTG and in a battle of speed thats a huge factor

No one's escaping a double long range Kamui just by foot speed, get over it. A single one was still able to warp part of the GM even when it got teleported. If he gets caught in a Kamui, he's done for. He isn't going to be teleporting around the battle ground the entire time, unless you want him to die.

Any of the god tiers can evade it with foot speed,
Minato can sense the chakra built up for the long range kamui, seeing how it still requires to form the void connecting the two dimensions, and with his immense BM flash shunshin, he can evade it with ease

This goes both ways. A 14-year-old Obito does not have the speed nor reflexes to even fight base Minato. Obito and Kakashi are not the same.

14 year olld Obitos reflexes are still higher than any version of kakashi bar possibly war arc, and even that is debatable

It's funny because this also goes both ways. Kishi never specifically said which scenario happened, so we can keep guessing forever. Either way, I'm dropping it.

Good, drop it, because ur wasting your and my time,

OT: Base Minato loses horribly. He doesn't start off with FTG Kunai set-up. He's dead.
BM Minato requires time to activate that mode as well. At least far slower than a Kamui snipe. If he starts off in BM Mode, he does not have the base speed to evade a double long range Kamui, as I already said above.

Neither is kakashi starting the battle with an immediate kamui warp, so thats is all biased
and your statements are all useless they dont prove anything

Me not showing any scans is irrelevant. This entire argument is based on a hypothetical situation that Kakashi can even use the other eye power. That also reminds me, how is Minato going to get past a Perfect Susanoo that can go intangible?

Showing scans is important because it helps provide evidence to ur claims, and strengthens ur argument
so yeah, you not showing scans shows ur incompetence

and i never said that base minato is getting through PS

 

[Migster257]

Re: Kakashi vs Minatov

An avatar and a sig of kakashi, and ive seen you in several threads overrating kamui/obito and kakashi,
yet you claim that youre unbiased, I obviously wont believe you either,

And Lol @Bold - you dont have the time to provide scans but you have the time to insult me, and then instead of proving your point through evidence, you instead resort to saying, ''look it up yourself'' that is just pathetic,

-I was being sarcastic when I said I was unbiased. I was mocking the fact that you are obviously biased. You are a human with emotions. No matter how hard you try, you will always be at least 1% biased.
-Yes, I have that time. Typing is faster than going through multiple chapters trying to find a scan and linking it.

Lol No
@Bold - Kakashis kamui speed never really changed, he just became more proficient into using it, and can use it more times due to his improvement in stamina, thats all there is, the warping speed of his right eye remained the same,,
and as for Obito, his kamui warping speed has never really changed either, he as well became more proficient into using it,

the jutsus speed is and properties never really changed for either of the two, they just became more proficient into using it through more experience, and with the speed of their kamui warps still being slower than FTG,,and with both of them still being unable to react to FTG, they would lose the battle against minato regardless of their proficiency,

Ok, so you believe that kakashi would activate his kamui before minato manages to land a mark that is executed after FTG (which kakashi wont be able to react to) especially when minato has already executed his jutsu (which is faster than kakashis), before kakashi, has? Lol No,

and as for the bold, No, why would minato bother to teleport the the entire body, especially when he can land a mark and seeing how once that happens, kakashi is done for,

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-Why do you assume he's landing a mark on Kakashi? This scenario you have seems to be giving Minato the advantage. It seems like he already has a million kunai spread around the battlefield. He still needs to grab Kunai and actually throw them. Kakashi can go intangible before-hand. He can also stay intangible for a set amount of time.

and as for the Bold - Lol, the answer is simple because

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his experience, age and proficiency is mere assumption and rather irrelevant due to the fact that when he is marked, he would be unable to even move a finger before minato lands his attacks, since his attacks would be landed instantly on obito,

whether the space is large or not, FTG is instant teleportation, and Obito is never reacting to FTG when a mark is placed on him,

- You compare everything to kid Obito. An adult Kakashi who is still improving as time passes is not the same as kid Obito who does not have the experience to compare to Base Minato.
- So your entire argument is based on when Kakashi gets marked? Kthnxbye.

What are you on about!.

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He did not struggle. He was able to Kamui it as it was flying towards him, when he didn't even have his MS activated. He was exhausted as well. He had zero intel on it. He didn't even know Sasuke had the Susanoo, much less had a bow and arrow. From that distance, hardly anyone can dodge it. Kakashi was stationary. It's far harder to hit a moving target.

keeping up with let alone reacting to an FTG is just funny and wrong,
it doesnt need to be explicitly stated,since its obvious that kakashis reflexes and reaction feats are no where near the top tiers, as even juubito was constantly attacked the moment he was marked

-What happened to "You need scans for everything?" Provide a scan where that is explicitly stated. No, it isn't obvious. His reactions and reflexes are on the same level as Minato's. Perhaps not better, but it's on the same level.
I never said Kakashi could react to FTG itself. I said he could react to what happens after Minato FTG's. Minato doesn't have a mark on Kakashi, which is what your entire argument is based on.

Kakashi cant decipher the clone, and even if he tries to snipe its head off, the clone is also tagged,, therefore would be able to evade the warp with FTG,

Minato has to physically mark the clones, by putting his palm on them. When does he have the time to do this again?

so even if hes not stupid, his attacks are still evaded with FTG, as the moment he solidifies to attack, the other clones or minato can landd a blow on him and mark him,

Never has it been stated that you needed to solidify to pull of a long range Kamui when you have both eyes.

Lol - The only dimension he can teleport into is Kamui,
so yes you need to provide a scan for this,, but oh wait! you dont have any

- Clearly he can open up a

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, so he can use another portal for warping purposes.

The marked kunai are just for diversions to allow minato to enhance his use of FTG,, and the kunais are also seals for minato to be able to teleport to, in-order to evade kakashis attacks
if kakashi does try to kamui all the kunai

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throughout the battlefield, do you seriouslly think minato would just stand there,
especiialy seeing how he is aware of kamui and would try to attack him since kakashi would have to solidify, furthermore kakashi is never warping all the spread kunai at the same time, thats BS

-I said he can teleport the Kunai as he's trying to spread them, not when they're already spread out.

Minato has many kunais, and he would still have the other 2 kunais to teleport to in your premise,
not to mention that minato can form markings throughout the battlefield and doesnt only rely on the kunai,
i have countered the rest of ur BS above

-He needs the Kunai closest to Kakashi, which he clearly won't have. That's my point. The other two Kunai shouldn't even be relevant.
-He has to physically bend down and place his hands on the ground to form seals there. He can't use his feet.

what i said is
BM Minato > DMS Kakashi > Base Minato
so no, i dont think base minato is beating PS dont try to make up conclusions,

-You mean don't try and make *assumptions?

He can make KB but he cant make use of them as well as Minato can, especially when Minato would mark the clones and assist them with FTG and the clones can evade all of kakashis attacks and can attack him the moment he solidifies, and even if minato is caught blindsided, he can swap himself with a clone thus preventing him,
the rest is irrelevant

He can't make use of them as well as Minato? Raiton clones can paralyze him, or at least slow his reflexes and reactions, so this is amazing use.

Kakashis refllexes are not above Minatos, they are not even above A's
im gna need proof for the bold, but u dont have any,

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Being able to turn your head and see the hand of full speed Juubi Jin Madara is a pretty damn good reaction and reflex feat.

Obito has been hit quite a lot of times, i wont bother with this denial that you have if u dont agree with it
double intangibility is still slower than FTG and in a battle of speed thats a huge factor

-My bad for the wording. In the war-arc, Obito has been able to dodge practically everything with it, bar attacks involving Kakashi. It is a factor, sadly not a very huge one. Minato will not be able to mark something that's intangible. Like I said, I someone disappears in front of you, and you have full knowledge on their Jutsu and how they fight, it would be completely logical to assume Kakashi uses his intangibility before Minato is able to move from his marked Kunai/ground.

Any of the god tiers can evade it with foot speed,

Sadly, Minato isn't god tier.

Minato can sense the chakra built up for the long range kamui, seeing how it still requires to form the void connecting the two dimensions, and with his immense BM flash shunshin, he can evade it with ease

-It can form a void big enough to warp two Amaterasu covered Susanoo arrows faster than a second, shown by the fact that his 3T was still active and the space between him and Sasuke. I've already posted the scan somewhere above.

14 year olld Obitos reflexes are still higher than any version of kakashi bar possibly war arc, and even that is debatable

-Where'd you get this outrageous assumption?

Neither is kakashi starting the battle with an immediate kamui warp, so thats is all biased
and your statements are all useless they dont prove anything

It's not biased. It's stupid that you even believe Minato can throw Kunai or form seals on the ground faster than Kakashi can warp him.

Showing scans is important because it helps provide evidence to ur claims, and strengthens ur argument
so yeah, you not showing scans shows ur incompetence

Well, today's your lucky day. I showed scans.

and i never said that base minato is getting through PS

I'd like to see BM Minato beat Intangible PS.

OT: Kakashi's PS can speed blitz Kaguya's chakra arms which were noted by Naruto, who has demonstrated a gigantic amount of speed feats, to be "insanely fast."

 

[~Sky~]

Minato was barely able to escape Kamui from a single eye.

Double Kamui is faster and Kakashi would waste no time executing that.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato was barely able to escape Kamui from a single eye.

Double Kamui is faster and Kakashi would waste no time executing that.

Barely? It was his first time witnessing it, and he was caught off guard from a sneak attack from behind.

 

[ARGUS]

Re: Kakashi vs Minatov

-I was being sarcastic when I said I was unbiased. I was mocking the fact that you are obviously biased. You are a human with emotions. No matter how hard you try, you will always be at least 1% biased.
-Yes, I have that time. Typing is faster than going through multiple chapters trying to find a scan and linking it.

Ok

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-Why do you assume he's landing a mark on Kakashi? This scenario you have seems to be giving Minato the advantage. It seems like he already has a million kunai spread around the battlefield. He still needs to grab Kunai and actually throw them. Kakashi can go intangible before-hand. He can also stay intangible for a set amount of time.

Honestly the scan shows nothing at all, on top of the fact that it was KCM Minato so ur point is completely moot,
furthermore we never saw the two reacting to something of even a remote speed, they just reached towards kakashi, where minato didnt even use his shunshin, or one of his top speed,

He's landing a mark on Kakashi because whenevver the two counterattack each other, FTG would prevail over Kamui due to the attack being faster than Kamui, thus resulting in minato landing the blow, and once that happens he marks kakashi, and regardless of kakashis intangibility, he still needs to solidify to attack and Minato knows that his only shot of attacking is when the two counterattack each other,

- You compare everything to kid Obito. An adult Kakashi who is still improving as time passes is not the same as kid Obito who does not have the experience to compare to Base Minato.
- So your entire argument is based on when Kakashi gets marked? Kthnxbye.

Kid Obito fought Minato, thats why i have used some examples from that fight, and i only used them, because the speed of his kamui warps remained the same throughout the manga, and that was the main reason of obitos defeat,

furthermore i only emphasised on kakashi getting marked, because you asked me ''how will that benefit minato''
and Minato only needs one blow to land a mark on Kakashi, and with his FTG beinng a perfect counter to Kamui, alongside top reflexes, this is bound to happen

He did not struggle. He was able to Kamui it as it was flying towards him, when he didn't even have his MS activated. He was exhausted as well. He had zero intel on it. He didn't even know Sasuke had the Susanoo, much less had a bow and arrow. From that distance, hardly anyone can dodge it. Kakashi was stationary. It's far harder to hit a moving target.

Sharingan Precog was able to percieve the susanoo arrows speed, which is what enabled him to use kamui,

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, from a similar distance, and he wasnt moving either,
people like Minato, A, and Naruto evade it with not even a slightest problem

-What happened to "You need scans for everything?" Provide a scan where that is explicitly stated. No, it isn't obvious. His reactions and reflexes are on the same level as Minato's. Perhaps not better, but it's on the same level.
I never said Kakashi could react to FTG itself. I said he could react to what happens after Minato FTG's. Minato doesn't have a mark on Kakashi, which is what your entire argument is based on.

His reflexes MAY be on the same level as BASE Minato, and even that is pushing it,
BM Minato is much much better than Kakashi,
Kakashi has no good reaction feats that even put him remotely close to people lik Gated guy, Minato, A & Naruto,
so no scans are neeeded to know the obvious,

Minato has to physically mark the clones, by putting his palm on them. When does he have the time to do this again?

He can do that rather quickly,
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which was the main reason how he was able to teleport the entire shinobi alliance, by linking his chakra to narutos,

his clones have his own chakra, therefore the link is still there, thats why he can use FTG right through them, thus enabling them to use FTG

Never has it been stated that you needed to solidify to pull of a long range Kamui when you have both eyes.

You need to manifest physically in-order to form the void that connects the two dimensions,
to connect his attacks kakashi needs to use kamui from the real dimension otherwise his atttack wont work, similar to how the opponents attacks dont work on intangibility,
since both the entities need to be on the same dimension in-order to connect their atttacks

He can't make use of them as well as Minato? Raiton clones can paralyze him, or at least slow his reflexes and reactions, so this is amazing use.

You still havnt answeered on how he can land the blow through these raiton clones
and if you say Kamui GG then i wont bother

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Being able to turn your head and see the hand of full speed Juubi Jin Madara is a pretty damn good reaction and reflex feat.

What about Base Minato then,
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that is a better reaction than kakashi who just turned his head and got his eye taken off

-My bad for the wording. In the war-arc, Obito has been able to dodge practically everything with it, bar attacks involving Kakashi. It is a factor, sadly not a very huge one. Minato will not be able to mark something that's intangible. Like I said, I someone disappears in front of you, and you have full knowledge on their Jutsu and how they fight, it would be completely logical to assume Kakashi uses his intangibility before Minato is able to move from his marked Kunai/ground.

Doesnt matter, since he still lost to Minato, singlehandedly
where minato had no knowledge at all,

-It can form a void big enough to warp two Amaterasu covered Susanoo arrows faster than a second, shown by the fact that his 3T was still active and the space between him and Sasuke. I've already posted the scan somewhere above.

Minato can still evade it,,through FTG
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so ur wrong there

It's not biased. It's stupid that you even believe Minato can throw Kunai or form seals on the ground faster than Kakashi can warp him.

Minato doesnt need to rely on the kunais as his only way of marking,
he can teleport to anything where his chakra forms a medium
i have already debunked this claim above,

I'd like to see BM Minato beat Intangible PS.

In my claim i didint have kakashi use an intangible PS
and unitl he shows it, then BM Minato still wins this

OT: Kakashi's PS can speed blitz Kaguya's chakra arms which were noted by Naruto, who has demonstrated a gigantic amount of speed feats, to be "insanely fast."

Please just stop,

 

[~Sky~]

Barely? It was his first time witnessing it, and he was caught off guard from a sneak attack from behind.

Obito wasn't Kamui'ing at full speed, and he was taking his time talking. He underestimated Minato.

 

[Great Master Minato]

FTG (Instant) > Any Variants Of Kamui In Term Of Speed & Minato's Reflexes/Reactions >> Kakashi's So Kamui Is Useless Especially With 1 MS So Minato Wins Scenario 1
Again FTG (Instant) > Any Variants Of Kamui In Term Of Speed & BM Minato's Reflexes/Reactions >>>>> Kakashi's So Kamui Is Still Useless...Kakashi's PS Can't Penetrate Kurama's Avatar Until It Shows More Feats While TBBs Obliterates It...So For Now Minato Stomps In Scenario 2...

 

[Raykyryn]

FTG (Instant) > Any Variants Of Kamui In Term Of Speed

Minato couldn't have escaped from kid Obito's close range Kamui if Obito hadn't wasted time for talk, giving Minato enough time to react&performe the handseal of FTG. Kid Obito even stated it

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Minato's Reflexes/Reactions >> Kakashi's

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3 tomoe Kakashis reflexes&reactions are equal to KCM Minato's. Adding double MS precog, Kakashi becomes even better than KCM Minato in terms of reaction.

BM Minato's Reflexes/Reactions >>>>> Kakashi's

In his PS Kakashi was capable of reacting&outspeeding the chakra arms which gave a hard time to Naruto and Sasuke to dodge. It means PS Kakashi is superior to BM Minato in terms of reacting&speed unless you show feats which say otherwise.

 

[A v i]

BM Minato > Current Kakashi > KCM Minato > SM Minato > Base Minato > 1 MS Kakashi.

 

[Great Master Minato]

BM Minato > Current Kakashi > KCM Minato > SM Minato > Base Minato > 1 MS Kakashi.

I Couldn't Agree More

 

[Migster257]

Re: Kakashi vs Minatov

Ok


Honestly the scan shows nothing at all, on top of the fact that it was KCM Minato so ur point is completely moot,
furthermore we never saw the two reacting to something of even a remote speed, they just reached towards kakashi, where minato didnt even use his shunshin, or one of his top speed,

He's landing a mark on Kakashi because whenevver the two counterattack each other, FTG would prevail over Kamui due to the attack being faster than Kamui, thus resulting in minato landing the blow, and once that happens he marks kakashi, and regardless of kakashis intangibility, he still needs to solidify to attack and Minato knows that his only shot of attacking is when the two counterattack each other,


Kid Obito fought Minato, thats why i have used some examples from that fight, and i only used them, because the speed of his kamui warps remained the same throughout the manga, and that was the main reason of obitos defeat,

furthermore i only emphasised on kakashi getting marked, because you asked me ''how will that benefit minato''
and Minato only needs one blow to land a mark on Kakashi, and with his FTG beinng a perfect counter to Kamui, alongside top reflexes, this is bound to happen



Sharingan Precog was able to percieve the susanoo arrows speed, which is what enabled him to use kamui,

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, from a similar distance, and he wasnt moving either,
people like Minato, A, and Naruto evade it with not even a slightest problem


His reflexes MAY be on the same level as BASE Minato, and even that is pushing it,
BM Minato is much much better than Kakashi,
Kakashi has no good reaction feats that even put him remotely close to people lik Gated guy, Minato, A & Naruto,
so no scans are neeeded to know the obvious,


He can do that rather quickly,
and not only that,

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which was the main reason how he was able to teleport the entire shinobi alliance, by linking his chakra to narutos,

his clones have his own chakra, therefore the link is still there, thats why he can use FTG right through them, thus enabling them to use FTG



You need to manifest physically in-order to form the void that connects the two dimensions,
to connect his attacks kakashi needs to use kamui from the real dimension otherwise his atttack wont work, similar to how the opponents attacks dont work on intangibility,
since both the entities need to be on the same dimension in-order to connect their atttacks



You still havnt answeered on how he can land the blow through these raiton clones
and if you say Kamui GG then i wont bother


What about Base Minato then,
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that is a better reaction than kakashi who just turned his head and got his eye taken off


Doesnt matter, since he still lost to Minato, singlehandedly
where minato had no knowledge at all,



Minato can still evade it,,through FTG
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so ur wrong there


Minato doesnt need to rely on the kunais as his only way of marking,
he can teleport to anything where his chakra forms a medium
i have already debunked this claim above,


In my claim i didint have kakashi use an intangible PS
and unitl he shows it, then BM Minato still wins this


Please just stop,

Considering the latest chapter, Kakashi solos.

 

[SuperChief]

Re: Kakashi vs Minatov

Considering the latest chapter, Kakashi solos.

Really? Minato already beat Kamui once, and that was within minutes of seeing it and in between protecting his village, saving Kushina and securing Naruto. Kamui ain't a threat, and BM >>>>>>>>>>>>> any Susanoo. Minato beats Kakashi.

 

[Demonic.]

Re: Kakashi vs Minatov

Really? Minato already beat Kamui once, and that was within minutes of seeing it and in between protecting his village, saving Kushina and securing Naruto. Kamui ain't a threat, and BM >>>>>>>>>>>>> any Susanoo. Minato beats Kakashi.

Let it go superchief.

 

[Bogard]

Don't say i didn't call it. He practically soloed Kaguya on his own

Kakashi is someone really humble who always has the tendency to compliment others and undermine himself, yet he thought he now has the power to save the world. I wouldn't take this kind of self hype lightly personally. He may be far higher than what we really think at the moment and judging by the amount of possibilities his MS is supposed to grant him, it's fairly possible for me to imagine him around current Sasuke's tier. Although yes he lacks feats at the moment, so going by just that, BM Minato takes this

He low diffs now. Oh an correction. By feats he is above Sasuke's tier

 

[SuperChief]

BM Minato > Current Kakashi > KCM Minato > SM Minato > Base Minato > 1 MS Kakashi.

Agreed. Repped.

 

[ARGUS]

Re: Kakashi vs Minatov

Considering the latest chapter, Kakashi solos.

you still failed to counter all my points, as i stated my arguments based on what we had known till that time,, and then you bailed out, meaning that this one goes to me,
and yes, i am aware that kakashi now beats minato