[Question] The 3D2Y mark on Luffy's arm...

[Love Cook]

Not from my point of view, or you want to say that you now better than me about my own thoughts. Manga never stated anything about that, so your so called "fact" can't be said, just by that you should realis that.

As I said I don't watch films, and I don't know about that, so you should be lesser arogant about that. It's irrelevant is that made by Oda or not. If it don't fit story it can't be conside cannon. I really wonder where would post time skip movie fit in post time skip timeline?

Well I give a rats ass about your thoughts, but you stating it like a fact, doesn't change the FACT that it's wrong. A fact can only be right, an opinion can be right and wrong.

My so called fact, is in fact a fact because it now is proven on 2 occasions. 1 in Punk Hazard and 1 in the movie.

The fact that you don't watch movies, doesn't make it any less true that Oda was in charge of the movie. The movie takes place in between fishman island and Punk hazard. It would be foolish to argue with the creator of the story.

I'm not a jerk, more like an assh*le or an arrogant prick

 

[WolfHaley]

Well I give a rats ass about your thoughts, but you stating it like a fact, doesn't change the FACT that it's wrong. A fact can only be right, an opinion can be right and wrong.

My so called fact, is in fact a fact because it now is proven on 2 occasions. 1 in Punk Hazard and 1 in the movie.

The fact that you don't watch movies, doesn't make it any less true that Oda was in charge of the movie. The movie takes place in between fishman island and Punk hazard. It would be foolish to argue with the creator of the story.

I'm not a jerk, more like an assh*le or an arrogant prick

Not possible.

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Here they still have the fish they got while leaving Fishman Island, which clearly wasn't present during Film Z.
Immediately after this page, they get the call on the Den Den Mushi from Kinemon, and they head straight to Punk Hazard.

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It's not like they spent a lot of time going to Punk Hazard, it was right there

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Film Z doesn't fit in the story.

 

[Love Cook]

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Yeah nice slideshow, they fitted it in with filler arc.

 

[WolfHaley]

Yeah nice slideshow, they fitted it in with filler arc.

LOL this is actually kinda sad now. I showed how they went straight from Fishman Island to Punk Hazard IN THE MANGA and your rebuttal is FILLER.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Aside from the canon thing, he was right.

Don't know why is that relevant, I'm talking about other thing here. I was wrong about something, so what?? I'm just a human.

Well I give a rats ass about your thoughts, but you stating it like a fact, doesn't change the FACT that it's wrong. A fact can only be right, an opinion can be right and wrong.

I never said that's it's a fact. You are the one who said that... This part of your comment just prove about what I talking here...

If you don't give "a rats ass about your thoughts", you could just ignore my comment.

 

[Listz]

About Film Z, it is considered non-canon. Just because Oda has a lot of involvement in the movie, doesn't means he approves it in the manga. Actually, in an interview, he did say he wanted Zephyr sensei and Strong World stories to be put in the manga but he couldn't find a suitable moment to insert them thus they weren't included. Hence we have Strong World: Episode 0 (this is also how a separate manga of it was named). And for Film Z manga, i'm not sure.

I understand what Love Cook meant. Yes, remember the filler episodes before they reach Punk Hazard? Panz Fry & Lily case? Even with those fillers, Z story didn't fit.

OT: Definitely not a tattoo ヾ(*´∇`)ﾉ If Luffy is getting a tattoo like Ace, i want it be more meaningful. Maybe he'll do it together with Sabo, with Ace's name on them (T-T).......

 

[Fireplay]

He wrote it. We saw him shirtless in PH and he didn't have that writing on his arm.

 

[Love Cook]

Ok so how do you explain the 7th shichibukai part, it was confirmed in the movie that it was the 7th unknown shichibukai that cut off Z's arm.

 

[WolfHaley]

Ok so how do you explain the 7th shichibukai part, it was confirmed in the movie that it was the 7th unknown shichibukai that cut off Z's arm.

The movie itself isn't canon. Most of the information in the movie isn't canon. The only thing that was canon of the movie is that Z is a former Admiral, maybe the shit about losing his arm and family. Other than that, no other shit we saw from that movie is canon, including the Seventh Shichibukai cutting off his arm. Unless you can present to me Oda saying that part is canon, or the manga making mention of it, it's not real.

Even so, I don't have to explain that shit, I clearly pointed out where the Strawhats went from Fishman Island straight to Punk Hazard. It does not fit.

 

[Love Cook]

The movie itself isn't canon. Most of the information in the movie isn't canon. The only thing that was canon of the movie is that Z is a former Admiral, maybe the shit about losing his arm and family. Other than that, no other shit we saw from that movie is canon, including the Seventh Shichibukai cutting off his arm. Unless you can present to me Oda saying that part is canon, or the manga making mention of it, it's not real.

Even so, I don't have to explain that shit, I clearly pointed out where the Strawhats went from Fishman Island straight to Punk Hazard. It does not fit.

Who the hell are you to decide what is canon and what is not from that movie.

Why is Z canon, but why are Ains and Binz not ?

Why is Z canon, but why is the shichibukai who cut his arm not ?

Why does it matter if Oda wrote the information in the manga, or he made a movie about it ? It comes from the same pen. Your thought process is more black and white than a random manga page.

If they make an arc at toei so they can fit the movie in between FI and PH, then the problem is solved right ? I agree that it is a bullshit filler arc, but at least they said 'this is where it takes place'

If Oda now presents a pirate as the 7th shichibukai who doesn't have a cutting like ability, he would directly screw himself over by stating that in the movie. For Z to hold his grudge it could've been any pirate to cut of his arm, but Oda (who supervised the movie) emphasized that it was the unknown shichi, why would he do it if it isn't canon according to you ? Why would he make something up that will bite him in the ass later on ?

 

[WolfHaley]

Who the hell are you to decide what is canon and what is not from that movie.

Why is Z canon, but why are Ains and Binz not ?

Why is Z canon, but why is the shichibukai who cut his arm not ?

Why does it matter if Oda wrote the information in the manga, or he made a movie about it ? It comes from the same pen. Your thought process is more black and white than a random manga page.

If they make an arc at toei so they can fit the movie in between FI and PH, then the problem is solved right ? I agree that it is a bullshit filler arc, but at least they said 'this is where it takes place'

If Oda now presents a pirate as the 7th shichibukai who doesn't have a cutting like ability, he would directly screw himself over by stating that in the movie. For Z to hold his grudge it could've been any pirate to cut of his arm, but Oda (who supervised the movie) emphasized that it was the unknown shichi, why would he do it if it isn't canon according to you ? Why would he make something up that will bite him in the ass later on ?

No he wouldn't, because the movie isn't canon. What is more canon, the manga, or anime? Which takes precedence? The manga of course, and the manga has showed that it doesn't fit within the series.

The only other thing to reference Film Z is that filler, and being referenced by filler can't make it canon because filler is the direct opposite of canon. It doesn't help your argument that something is canon when the only thing that supports that is non-canon, and the material that is most canon of all shows it can't fit.

Z himself is canon while Ain and Binz are not because we have seen Z in the manga here in the this illustration from Oda:

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However, this not mean everything we saw in the movie is canon because, other than Z and his appearance, no canon material has made reference to any of the other detail of the manga.

 

[Love Cook]

No he wouldn't, because the movie isn't canon. What is more canon, the manga, or anime? Which takes precedence? The manga of course, and the manga has showed that it doesn't fit within the series.

The only other thing to reference Film Z is that filler, and being referenced by filler can't make it canon because filler is the direct opposite of canon. It doesn't help your argument that something is canon when the only thing that supports that is non-canon, and the material that is most canon of all shows it can't fit.

Z himself is canon while Ain and Binz are not because we have seen Z in the manga here in the this illustration from Oda:

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However, this not mean everything we saw in the movie is canon because, other than Z and his appearance, no canon material has made reference to any of the other detail of the manga.

Not talking about the anime, in which Oda has no part I'm talking about the movie he supervised. So what is more canon ? Both are equally canon. Does it matter if Oda makes a book or a movie ? no !

About Ain and Binz, the are in the poster, besides brook's leg:

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I guess you're right and it makes perfect sense for Oda who has been careful constructing and building his story with incredible foreshadowing to screw himself over with something that he could've totally avoided.

Of course it isn't Oda who writes that stuff, it must be faux-da, his fake twin evil brother who makes shit up and only writes non-canon material. That is a totally different Oda than the one who writes in a book.

So for my understanding, is Strong world canon to you ? Because you can place that in the manga time line, or is that non canon as well ? If you're also going to say that it is non-canon I'm done arguing. If you're going to say it IS canon I will call you an idiot, and then I'm done arguing.

 

[WolfHaley]

Not talking about the anime, in which Oda has no part I'm talking about the movie he supervised. So what is more canon ? Both are equally canon. Does it matter if Oda makes a book or a movie ? no !

About Ain and Binz, the are in the poster, besides brook's leg:

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I guess you're right and it makes perfect sense for Oda who has been careful constructing and building his story with incredible foreshadowing to screw himself over with something that he could've totally avoided.

Of course it isn't Oda who writes that stuff, it must be faux-da, his fake twin evil brother who makes shit up and only writes non-canon material. That is a totally different Oda than the one who writes in a book.

So for my understanding, is Strong world canon to you ? Because you can place that in the manga time line, or is that non canon as well ? If you're also going to say that it is non-canon I'm done arguing. If you're going to say it IS canon I will call you an idiot, and then I'm done arguing.

It's irrelevant as to whatever you call it. So pick your poison:

1. It's not canon, and you're wrong
2. It is canon, and the entire movie is a huge plothole since the manga depicts them going from Fishman Island directly to Punk Hazard(this argument shouldn't have even gotten past this point)

I wonder which one Oda would rather.

 

[Love Cook]

It's irrelevant as to whatever you call it. So pick your poison:

1. It's not canon, and you're wrong
2. It is canon, and the entire movie is a huge plothole since the manga depicts them going from Fishman Island directly to Punk Hazard(this argument shouldn't have even gotten past this point)

I wonder which one Oda would rather.

You don't answer my questions because you know that they're valid points. So here is the last post that I promised before I would stop arguing.

Of course it is canon, but did Oda need to make a comment about it in the manga for you to be happy ? Like between fishman island Luffy suddenly says. woah it's vice admiral Z ! then a black panel with text 1 week later, ok lets go to punk hazard now.

That's basically what he did for strong world, so i was wondering if that was canon to you, or that you're maybe allergic to moving images so that's why everything animated is non canon or something, even though Oda is directly involved and writing the movie.

Toei pretty much built in that gap so that all the fans now, Ah this is where the movie goes. You could say that it would be a terrible filler arc, and I would agree. But atleast it indicates at what point in time Luffy fought Z.

You don't know what you're talking about, because first Z is canon, after that I prove Ain and Binz are in the same picture as Z which was canon to you. After that I explained you the Shichibukai thing which is an important part of information that has nothing to do with the movie, and everything with the reveal in the manga. Also there is Kuzan's reveal in clothing that he also wore on Punk Hazard.

So how come that all these things keep coming back but aren't considered canon ? Oda made Kuzan's look, with his clothes and his leg, and a few months later he appears like that in the manga. Is that a coincidence ? or did he took Toei's example ? NO ! Oda was directly involved therefor Strong world and Z are canon.

I can agree that all the other movies are non-canon, now I'm done.

 

[WolfHaley]

You don't answer my questions because you know that they're valid points. So here is the last post that I promised before I would stop arguing.

Of course it is canon, but did Oda need to make a comment about it in the manga for you to be happy ? Like between fishman island Luffy suddenly says. woah it's vice admiral Z ! then a black panel with text 1 week later, ok lets go to punk hazard now.

That's basically what he did for strong world, so i was wondering if that was canon to you, or that you're maybe allergic to moving images so that's why everything animated is non canon or something, even though Oda is directly involved and writing the movie.

Toei pretty much built in that gap so that all the fans now, Ah this is where the movie goes. You could say that it would be a terrible filler arc, and I would agree. But atleast it indicates at what point in time Luffy fought Z.

You don't know what you're talking about, because first Z is canon, after that I prove Ain and Binz are in the same picture as Z which was canon to you. After that I explained you the Shichibukai thing which is an important part of information that has nothing to do with the movie, and everything with the reveal in the manga. Also there is Kuzan's reveal in clothing that he also wore on Punk Hazard.

So how come that all these things keep coming back but aren't considered canon ? Oda made Kuzan's look, with his clothes and his leg, and a few months later he appears like that in the manga. Is that a coincidence ? or did he took Toei's example ? NO ! Oda was directly involved therefor Strong world and Z are canon.

I can agree that all the other movies are non-canon, now I'm done.

No, I can answer your questions.

Oda put this much effort and thought into creating Film Z because he takes pride in what he does, he wants to make a GOOD story because this is his livelihood and he loves it, he doesn't want to do some half-assed job for anything that's a part of this series, canon or non-canon.

Oda doesn't have to worry about any backlash for setting a story and not expanding on it on the manga because it's not part of the manga. The expectation of it to be expanded on and continued on in the manga doesn't constitute it being canon because non-canon means it's not part of the story, and can't be expanded in said story because of that. Only people like you, who don't seem to know better, expect it to be.

Ain and Binz are there sure, they are canon characters that exist in the manga universe, the canon universe. However, that does not mean their depiction in Film Z are canon. Once again, the movie Film Z cannot fit into the manga universe, which, next to Oda's mouth itself, is ultimate when it comes to canon. The ultimate canon material has no space for Film Z, so how can you consider it canon? Because the anime created a filler to fit into the universe? Key-word is filler, it does not count. There has been nothing in the manga universe that alludes or references to the events in Film Z, therefore, it never happened in the manga universe, and is therefore not canon.

You keep saying Toei found a fitting for it, Toei isn't canon either. Once again, filler remains filler, FILLER depicting something cannot make it canon. It. Does. Not. Count. It is IMPOSSIBLE to build a gap for it. You aren't making a good argument, you aren't proving anything, you are simply failing to understand a simple concept that has been spelled out to you a million times by now. Quite frankly, I'm tired of showing someone something red, and them trying to say it's blue. We are done here.

 

[Memento Mori]

Ahhh!Here some are having a debate of Canon or not?Is mangaka said that it was a Canon or not?It is we(fans) who assume it is a canon and it is not.Some People simply think's that all shown in manga is Canon & some others(anime fans who only watch anime) think that all shown in Anime is Canon.It is just our way of thinking what is canon & what is not.In truth IMO,I think that is all is canon(semi filler) except full length filler.I honestly believe that no director/production unit is going to mess with original story without the involvement of the author

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

also namis tattoo is sexy as hell.

Its shit
WB back Tatoo solo

 

[WolfHaley]

Ahhh!Here some are having a debate of Canon or not?Is mangaka said that it was a Canon or not?It is we(fans) who assume it is a canon and it is not.Some People simply think's that all shown in manga is Canon & some others(anime fans who only watch anime) think that all shown in Anime is Canon.It is just our way of thinking what is canon & what is not.In truth IMO,I think that is all is canon(semi filler) except full length filler.I honestly believe that no director/production unit is going to mess with original story without the involvement of the author

The manga explicitly shows it's not canon.