This isnt the first time sasuke's jutsu was countered

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fun fact: when the chapter came out, sasuke haters were the ones saying he was weak and nerfed
 

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well she was using heavy gravity to keep Sasuke and Naruto down it was effecting her too though it didn't effect his S/T its just he had to use a lot of strength to stay on his feet to try and attack before she changed dimensions though thats what I think at least anyway

Yes, if she was still manipulating gravity at that time, then it would affect his striking speed. I looking at the scan again and it doesn't look to me as though she was still manipulating gravity at that time but anyway those panels could be interpreted differently.

​Not really.

Huh?? Why is it not.
 

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I said that Sasuke could be replaced by any of Naruto's friends and the manga would be almost the same.

You just proved my point. Whoever that X is, naruto will need that X in his life to be what he is now. Without that X he would be dead or weak now. good night. If you can't acknowledge this, then it pointless to have this conversation. So good night.
 

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You just proved my point. Whoever that X is, naruto will need that X in his life to be what he is now. Without that X he would be dead or weak now. good night. If you can't acknowledge this, then it pointless to have this conversation. So good night.

Lol Are you trying to prove me right?


So in the end you both proved each other right.
 

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I never said it affected his S/T speed, that's actually what I'm trying to emphasize. It's a similar situation to when Madara dodged FTG, what is known as an instant attack. While Madara (and Kaguya) were both able to sense these instant attacks happenings, the striking speed that all 3 attacked in (Minato, Tobirama, and Sasuke) were below that of the reaction speed of the opponent at the time. Kaguya switched dimensions meaning that she felt that she couldn't comfortably dodge Sasuke in the other dimension and then immediately flew off afterwards.

Striking speed is different than other speeds. Sasuke appears, the dimension switches, and then Kaguya makes her dodge. This shows that the gravity effected everyone, including Sasuke's striking speed. The change in gravity would throw anyone in surprise, including Sasuke since it happens quickly so we can infer that that's another factor that interfered with his attack.

I see well said. So does that mean also that in a situation without gravity Kaguya would dodged the said attack too?
 

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Sasuke have Hashirama DNA he have some yang that boosted his physical attributes

It would Sasuke have a huge toll on this story

Sasuke was born just to develop Naruto and he could be replaced by any character without changing the plot if Kishimoto pleases.
 

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Sasuke was born just to develop Naruto and he could be replaced by any character without changing the plot if Kishimoto pleases.

Sasuke also has powers to match Naruto. The Chidori Vs Rasengan clash is still a big factor in this rivalry. In order to replace Sasuke you would need to find someone equal in strength to make it count.
 

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Yes, if she was still manipulating gravity at that time, then it would affect his striking speed. I looking at the scan again and it doesn't look to me as though she was still manipulating gravity at that time but anyway those panels could be interpreted differently.



Huh?? Why is it not.
The gravity didn't go back to normal until she switched dimensions if the gravity was back to normal when Sasuke teleported to her he wold either hit her or Kaguya would have flew off without needing to switch dimensions
 

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You just proved my point. Whoever that X is, naruto will need that X in his life to be what he is now. Without that X he would be dead or weak now. good night. If you can't acknowledge this, then it pointless to have this conversation. So good night.

The thing is that Sasuke doesn't deserve half the credit because Naruto becoming strong was bound to happen with or without him.
 

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Sasuke was born just to develop Naruto and he could be replaced by any character without changing the plot if Kishimoto pleases.

Nah, its too late for that now and if kishi does that it'll ruin the manga
 

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Sasuke also has powers to match Naruto. The Chidori Vs Rasengan clash is still a big factor in this rivalry. In order to replace Sasuke you would need to find someone equal in strength to make it count.

You don't need to find nothing, Kishimoto can creat him/her with equal powers from scratch or just develop him/her.
 

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Sasuke was born just to develop Naruto and he could be replaced by any character without changing the plot if Kishimoto pleases.
same way Naruto is developing Sasuke right?
Sasuke also has powers to match Naruto. The Chidori Vs Rasengan clash is still a big factor in this rivalry. In order to replace Sasuke you would need to find someone equal in strength to make it count.
​exactly this
 

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The gravity didn't go back to normal until she switched dimensions if the gravity was back to normal when Sasuke teleported to her he wold either hit her or Kaguya would have flew off without needing to switch dimensions

Yeah, that's all clear now. The gravity affected his striking speed.
 

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The thing is that Sasuke doesn't deserve half the credit because Naruto becoming strong was bound to happen with or without him.

The thing is naruto don't got that yin power. Naruto is unfit to be a character that have yin power. Therefore sasuke deserve half of the credit or more. But hey pull out your joker card "the manga is call naruto". It seem like you want naruto to be on some avatar shit and master everything. Oh well. Whatever make you happy.
 

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You don't need to find nothing, Kishimoto can creat him/her with equal powers from scratch or just develop him/her.

It would not feel as personal as it does right now. If this was a start of a new manga where Naruto would be getting a fresh start than it would make sense. But right now its a little too late. Also I would like to add that Sasuke was created for a reason. If this manga was just all about Naruto it would be boring. Having him around created the balance in this manga. It added light and darkness. An old combination that still works in this time of age.
 
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