The Uchiha would made better Hokages

[take it easy]

Did iruka hate naruto? Did hiruzen hate naruto? Did kakashi hate naruto? Did jiraiya hate naruto? Naruto wasn't as alone as you think.

where were all of these peoples in naruto's childhood ? naruto had a lonely childhood that was filled with hatred without any real reason.

Madara was unhappy of the way they were treating the clan.

uchiha themselves rejected madara and his selfish ideals, which gave him an excuse to betray the village.

 

[EliteKage]

I disagree.

Any reason Vega?

 

[Seventh Sama]

Out of all the uchiha, Only Itachi would've been a great hokage.

 

[lucario14]

where were all of these peoples in naruto's childhood ? naruto had a lonely childhood that was filled with hatred without any real reason. uchiha themselves rejected madara and his selfish ideals, which gave him an excuse to betray the village.

Selfish? I'll repeat myself. He wasn't happy with the way the village treated the uchiha. Also are you Fucking serious about naruto having nobody in his childhood? I'm pretty sure he had someone to take care of him as a baby after his parents died LMAO otherwise he would have died.

 

[shelke]

This village was ruled by nothing but treacherous, heinous dictators bar Tsunade and Minato:

- Tobirama: Went behind the iron clad agreements of the treaty and gave himself the liberty of altering the system as he saw fit, and without the inclusion of the founding clan. Your actions do not get any more treasonous than this.

- Hashirama: Allowed his brother to make alterations to the democratic set up, turning the village into an arbitrary system that swallowed up countless lives to maintain its perch.

- Hiruzen: Let Orochimaru run free, without bringing him to justice for his horrendous and cruel crimes. Didn't lift the surveillance on Uchiha Clan that started in Tobirama's reign, didn't let them within the Elite Council, did nothing for Hyuga family, let Danzo carry out assassinations of innocent people, and his list of poor performance is a long one.

- Minato - I would go much easy on him, as his reign was too short. Otherwise, I am sure he must have done something to remedy the situation.

- Tsunade - The only Hokage who understood the plight of her ninjas and set boundaries for The Elders. I am sure, had she been in Minato's place and would have survived Kurama's attack, she never would have let this happen.

To put down Uchiha Clan as some power hungry monsters and to ignore the facts that it was the Uchiha Clan that fully supported democracy and it was Tobirama and Senju Clan that went behind a Clan's back to horde political control means that NB is always running on full-retard mode.

This whole mentally unstable nonsense must be a running gag, as all Uchihas functioned normally for 50 Plus long years for the interest of their clan and even the village. Giving Madara the seat instead of Tobirama, and extending the courtesy to Kagame, or Fugaku rather than Minato would have quelled this whole affair.

Not to mention that the entire ninja world feared the Clan, it would have only strengthened Konoha's defenses rather than lessen them, as the Elder lobby ended up crippling its defenses and it's far too evident from the fact that how Konoha was reduced to rubble during Pein and Sand and Sound Villages incursions.

Giving the reign to the Uchiha Clan members would have resulted in equal share in politics and finally a hand in the political affairs that Senju clan had enjoyed when the village was made. Anyone who disagrees will only do so because of bad and poor fanboyism.

Only the Itachi/Kagami/Shisui type of them. The others are too unstable in mind, subject to hatred, ridicule of others, and to utopian ideas for the system.

I love these claims that are not even backed by the manga.

Itachi is a dark knight, someone who works behind the scenes, not really the political administrator type, same goes for Shisui.

And Sausage? He belongs in the frying pan.

I love how you suggested in one of your posts how Obito - one of the biggest, and the most bat-shit insane characters' - deserves a Hokage seat. Oh god, that is too hilarious.

Imagine if Rin had died during his reign: "You kill Rin, I kill you all. Infinite nap-time time."

Lol @ Obito being even a valid choice. NBers eternally on running on weed.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Itachi, Shisui, and Obito are the only Uchiha who had a chance at being a good Hokage. Sasuke might have a chance, if he steps up his caring for others by about ten times. If Izuna stayed, he was supposedly harmonic....but apparently racist.

The only Senju who would do somewhat decent job are Hashirama and Tsunade (DAMN HER REIGN HAS TOO MANY STRONG PEOPLE THAT LIKE ONLY 3% OF THE POPULATION CAN BEAT).

 

[take it easy]

Selfish? I'll repeat myself. He wasn't happy with the way the village treated the uchiha.

village treated uchiha as a noble and respectful clan.

Also are you Fucking serious about naruto having nobody in his childhood? I'm pretty sure he had someone to take care of him as a baby after his parents died LMAO otherwise he would have died.

yeah, having some care as newborn makes whole naruto's childhood happy.

 

[xxSAGExx]

This village was ruled by nothing but treacherous, heinous dictators bar Tsunade and Minato:

- Tobirama: Went behind the iron clad agreements of the treaty and gave himself the liberty of altering the system as he saw fit, and without the inclusion of the founding clan. Your actions do not get any more treasonous than this.

- Hashirama: Allowed his brother to make alterations to the democratic set up, turning the village into an arbitrary system that swallowed up countless lives to maintain its perch.

- Hiruzen: Let Orochimaru run free, without bringing him to justice for his horrendous and cruel crimes. Didn't lift the surveillance on Uchiha Clan that started in Tobirama's reign, didn't let them within the Elite Council, did nothing for Hyuga family, let Danzo carry out assassinations of innocent people, and his list of poor performance is a long one.

- Minato - I would go much easy on him, as his reign was too short. Otherwise, I am sure he must have done something to remedy the situation.

- Tsunade - The only Hokage who understood the plight of her ninjas and set boundaries for The Elders. I am sure, had she been in Minato's place and would have survived Kurama's attack, she never would have let this happen.

To put down Uchiha Clan as some power hungry monsters and to ignore the facts that it was the Uchiha Clan that fully supported democracy and it was Tobirama and Senju Clan that went behind a Clan's back to horde political control means that NB is always running on full-retard mode.

This whole mentally unstable nonsense must be a running gag, as all Uchihas functioned normally for 50 Plus long years for the interest of their clan and even the village. Giving Madara the seat instead of Tobirama, and extending the courtesy to Kagame, or Fugaku rather than Minato would have quelled this whole affair.

Not to mention that the entire ninja world feared the Clan, it would have only strengthened Konoha's defenses rather than lessen them, as the Elder lobby ended up crippling its defenses and it's far too evident from the fact that how Konoha was reduced to rubble during Pein and Sand and Sound Villages incursions.

Giving the reign to the Uchiha Clan members would have resulted in equal share in politics and finally a hand in the political affairs that Senju clan had enjoyed when the village was made. Anyone who disagrees will only do so because of bad and poor fanboyism.



I love these claims that are not even backed by the manga.



I love how you suggested in one of your posts how Obito - one of the biggest, and the most bat-shit insane characters' - deserves a Hokage seat. Oh god, that is too hilarious.

Imagine if Rin had died during his reign: "You kill Rin, I kill you all. Infinite nap-time time."

Lol @ Obito being even a valid choice. NBers eternally on running on weed.

-Tobirama did nothing wrong, he said himself that he didn't hate the Uchihas but they posed a threat since many of them ran wild after their love turned into a stronger hate. Tobirama can't just make a decision, he uses democracy as he told Hashirama to use when he was just going to make Madara Hokage without talking with the council or seeing what the people want. Tobirama can't just upright move a whole clan without the council and people noticing.

-Hashirama was Hokage, if he didn't see something as right then he wouldn't allow Tobirama to do it. Rules are made and approve from the Hokage and advisors for matters that affect the village involves the council. Hashirama cares about the Uchiha but he also said he will not allow anyone to threaten the village so if the Uchihas were going wild then he have done something as well; we just don't what.

-Hiruzen was too kind to deal with things he should have like Orochimaru (old student) and Danzo (old comrade). If this kind ninja didn't do anything with the Uchihas over his 50 or so years as Hokage then he must have knew or seen something in them. They put the Uchihas down for how they would lost control after losing something they love and how most of them are emotional. Who would feel safe living near people like that? They have families. Would you really be ok with your family who you love living by a clan who would run wild when they lost something they love and that love turns into a stronger hatred which can happen any day at any time when you might not even be home.

Giving reign to the Uchiha clan for what? Hashirama founded the hidden leaf, Tobirama said the people and even the Uchihas say this. All clans would be equal in the village, they all have the same right but if they pose danger to the village then they will not have similar rights.

 

[Romy9]

This has been stated by even The First Hokage himself, unfortunately his selfish brother wanted them both to be the Hokages and keep the uchiha control.
Sasuke makes a better hokage then naruto I mean cmon this would be sick sasuke is calm and tactical.
Itachi would have made a beast Hokage
Madara would have been a great Hokage AT THAT TIME Hashirama was alive

I know these are not too indepth descriptions but discuss and I will reply

That's not entirely true. Tobirama saw something what Hashirama didn't. Madara saw power as the only worthy quality in shinobi that could validate one's existence or relevance. If we connect that to the real life, I would say he was close to being tyrannical ruler if he ever ended up leading the village. That's not good for prosperity of the people and mutual respect/understanding between them could never be reached.

Sasuke can never be a better leader than Naruto. A leader needs to have charisma and empathy for his people, he needs to be an inspiration and a hope for the people who put their trust in him. Sasuke lacks basic emotions and understanding for people in general and that is a necessary requirement for leading. Just remember Itachi's words. While Naruto isn't calm or tactical, the advisors who are always by Hokage's side make up for that, namely Shikamaru.

Itachi would be the best of them all, no arguing here. He was basically the whole package. Power and unparalleled empathy for the people and the village.

No, no he wouldn't, as I said in the first part. He was trying to rule with power and tyranny/totalitarianism. Ne democracy means essentially no freedom. He would force people into doing various things which are immoral or not accepted by social etiquette and that's why people never accepted him.

 

[KingHashirama]

Dude they have all of the political, economic and military power, there aren't any other political parties, no elections and the people can't resign him if he doesn't do his job right. Yes if they are good people and capable everything will be perfect, but what if they aren't that good? He can do whatever he wants

Yes democracy is more fragile than fascism (I mean the main basis of fascism is a strong country), but what is more morally correct, democracy or fascism?

Obama couldn't become a dictator if he wanted...

Morally correct is not about which political system, it is about the society in which those 2 are ran in. If we had a democracy, yet had laws that said you can get away for rape/house robbery .. compared to a Facist system, where you would be punished for those 2 crime, which one would be the morally correct one?

And again, my friend. They might not have political parties (something the first president of the united states was AGAINST). Having political parties doesn't mean you have freedom, or it is a well ran system.. it simply means there are different groups led by a specific individual, who are trying to rule the country. In end there will always be someone in rule.


And reread, i stated depending on the president... FDR could've became a dictator if he wanted... WAshington easily could've been a dictator.

 

[AMIan]

Only Obito, the rest not so. U_U

yeah and then Obito's wife/girlfriend dies and he starts a war
nty

 

[shelke]

-Tobirama did nothing wrong, he said himself that he didn't hate the Uchihas but they posed a threat since many of them ran wild after their love turned into a stronger hate. Tobirama can't just make a decision, he uses democracy as he told Hashirama to use when he was just going to make Madara Hokage without talking with the council or seeing what the people want. Tobirama can't just upright move a whole clan without the council and people noticing.

-Hashirama was Hokage, if he didn't see something as right then he wouldn't allow Tobirama to do it. Rules are made and approve from the Hokage and advisors for matters that affect the village involves the council. Hashirama cares about the Uchiha but he also said he will not allow anyone to threaten the village so if the Uchihas were going wild then he have done something as well; we just don't what.

-Hiruzen was too kind to deal with things he should have like Orochimaru (old student) and Danzo (old comrade). If this kind ninja didn't do anything with the Uchihas over his 50 or so years as Hokage then he must have knew or seen something in them. They put the Uchihas down for how they would lost control after losing something they love and how most of them are emotional. Who would feel safe living near people like that? They have families. Would you really be ok with your family who you love living by a clan who would run wild when they lost something they love and that love turns into a stronger hatred which can happen any day at any time when you might not even be home.

Giving reign to the Uchiha clan for what? Hashirama founded the hidden leaf, Tobirama said the people and even the Uchihas say this. All clans would be equal in the village, they all have the same right but if they pose danger to the village then they will not have similar rights.

- Tobirama doesn't have to outright state anything. His actions speak volumes: breaching the treaty, hoarding all political power, pushing a founding clan into an adversarial corner, making amendments within the democratic system so that only Jounin Elite and Elder Elite council make decisions, as he had never intended for Uchiha Clan to be a part of this intricate set up.

Don't sugar coat his laughable actions.

- He knew Tobirama would persecute the Uchihas. Madara knew it, he himself knew it, yet he still allowed for his brother's political sham? In fact, he handed him the next political seat?

- Too kind? Let's not go overboard with this guy, who ordered a mass slaughter of innocent people who only wanted political equality. He couldn't grant them their political right that became the root cause of all strife, yet he was content with killing children even? That is one sick take on compassion and kindness.

- What? No he didn't. Uchiha and Senju both signed a treaty and made the village together. We even see Madara and Hashirama making further future plans for the Village. Back then, no other clan was even a part of it, and it was not even assimilated in the Fire Country.

Pose what danger? Stop this nonsense. Where is your proof that Uchiha Clan posed danger to the village, when it was Tobirama that should have been executed to save the lives of Uchihas and many other political mishaps his ridiculous political system created, which funnily ALL villages ended up mimicking. He created nothing but arbitrary systems world over, pushing it further into chaos.

And equal rights is pushing a founding clan out of the Elite Council? Some of you take your Uchiha Hatred too far.

 

[Vega]

Any reason Vega?

Because Hiruzen is the smexiest Hokage there ever was

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Anyways I change my mind, I was thinking of any Uchiha in general (as in the fodder ones lol). I think some would make good hokages, it's just that the sad reality is that even if they have a viable hokage candidate, that person will just get hated on a lot.

 

[xxSAGExx]

- Tobirama doesn't have to outright state anything. His actions speak volumes: breaching the treaty, hoarding all political power, pushing a founding clan into an adversarial corner, making amendments within the democratic system so that only Jounin Elite and Elder Elite council make decisions, as he had never intended for Uchiha Clan to be a part of this intricate set up.

Don't sugar coat his laughable actions.

- He knew Tobirama would persecute the Uchihas. Madara knew it, he himself knew it, yet he still allowed for his brother's political sham? In fact, he handed him the next political seat?

- Too kind? Let's not go overboard with this guy, who ordered a mass slaughter of innocent people who only wanted political equality. He couldn't grant them their political right that became the root cause of all strife, yet he was content with killing children even? That is one sick take on compassion and kindness.

- What? No he didn't. Uchiha and Senju both signed a treaty and made the village together. We even see Madara and Hashirama making further future plans for the Village. Back then, no other clan was even a part of it, and it was not even assimilated in the Fire Country.

Pose what danger? Stop this nonsense. Where is your proof that Uchiha Clan posed danger to the village, when it was Tobirama that should have been executed to save the lives of Uchihas and many other political mishaps his ridiculous political system created, which funnily ALL villages ended up mimicking. He created nothing but arbitrary systems world over, pushing it further into chaos.

And equal rights is pushing a founding clan out of the Elite Council? Some of you take your Uchiha Hatred too far.

How did he hoard all political power when the power rely in the Hokage, his advisors, and the council made up of the village elders? What amendments did he make? He was the one to have Hashirama use Democracy and the elders are people who can make the right decisions for the village. Have they shown him, the council and the villagers that they are capable of making great and proper decisions? They were the ones refusing peace fro many years that Hashirama tried to get it and some of them only surrendered after Tobirama killed Izuna which tipped the scales more in the Senju favor. They didn't stop because they wanted peace, they did it after they lacked the power to continue; Madara got EMS after it showed some Uchiha going to the Senju.

What sham? Tobirama can't just make decisions, he stopped Hashirama from doing the very thing and had the council and people in the village have a say in what they wanted. So are you saying the council which is made from people of different clans all backed Tobirama's decisions with no reasons? Hashirama didn't hand Tobirama Hokage, he was voted in just like Hashirama was so the villagers and council all choose to make him the 2nd Hokage as they do for all Hokages. Danzo even said the people don't trust him as they do Naruto so he couldn't try anything to Naruto when his body guard suggested it. He was just made Hokage fill in until the votes took place.

Since when did Hiruzen become Danzo? I've seen Danzo ordering Itachi to kill the Uchihas in Itachi's flashback not Hiruzen. Itachi said it was Hiruzen who tried to solve the issue peacefully, Hiruzen only felt guilty for allowing Danzo to make dark decisions as a whole and that made the Uchiha massacre happen. So unless you're saying Itachi who would know who ordered him is lying when he have no reason to lie now that Sasuke knows everything and Hiruzen is dead. Obito even said it was Danzo and the other two elders while Hiruzen tried to solve it peacefully.

They signed a peace treaty to stop fighting, both clans were constantly fighting and when the Senjus wanted to stop the Uchihas would keep fighting them due to Madara and Izuna wanting to. As kids it was Hashirama who came up with the ideas as Madara told him only he thought like that

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and Tobirama said the villagers and Uchihas themselves all view Hashirama as the village creator unless you think the Uchihas and other others who were actually there when the village was created are lying

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. Madara only came up with the village name, it was Hashirama who was telling Madara about everything that was going on with the village

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And yes it was assimilated in the fire country as Hashirama mention the fire country wanting them to choose their village leader

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. So the Senju and Uchihas view Hashirama as the village creator.

Tobirama stated that many Uchihas would lose control and run wild, they would lose something/someone they love and that love would turn into a stronger hate. We see this is Madara, Izuna, Obito, and Sasuke; Tobirama said many Uchihas did this and called some of them emotional

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If a clan of people have a tendency of losing control and run wild with hatred I would not want them having power in the government. I rather leaders to have calm and collect minds who can make effective decisions; it has nothing to do with hating the Uchihas, Tobirama plan out told Sasuke he didn't hat them but put the village safety before anything. There are not even Senjus shown except Tsunade so if you think it was Tobirama who kicked out Uchihas from the Village politics then why were there any Uchihas in the council when Hiruzen took over? He had no hate towards the Uchiha and have no reason to keep them out so either they didn't want to be in the council or they weren't seen capable of having that power. Example, we seen Itachi father tell Itachi that before being a Anbu, he was an Uchiha. Clearly they put their clan above the Village while the will of fire is when you put the village over all above yourself or clan; the village is your family.

 

[shelke]

How did he hoard all political power when the power rely in the Hokage, his advisors, and the council made up of the village elders? What amendments did he make? He was the one to have Hashirama use Democracy and the elders are people who can make the right decisions for the village. Have they shown him, the council and the villagers that they are capable of making great and proper decisions? They were the ones refusing peace fro many years that Hashirama tried to get it and some of them only surrendered after Tobirama killed Izuna which tipped the scales more in the Senju favor. They didn't stop because they wanted peace, they did it after they lacked the power to continue; Madara got EMS after it showed some Uchiha going to the Senju.

What sham? Tobirama can't just make decisions, he stopped Hashirama from doing the very thing and had the council and people in the village have a say in what they wanted. So are you saying the council which is made from people of different clans all backed Tobirama's decisions with no reasons? Hashirama didn't hand Tobirama Hokage, he was voted in just like Hashirama was so the villagers and council all choose to make him the 2nd Hokage as they do for all Hokages. Danzo even said the people don't trust him as they do Naruto so he couldn't try anything to Naruto when his body guard suggested it. He was just made Hokage fill in until the votes took place.

Since when did Hiruzen become Danzo? I've seen Danzo ordering Itachi to kill the Uchihas in Itachi's flashback not Hiruzen. Itachi said it was Hiruzen who tried to solve the issue peacefully, Hiruzen only felt guilty for allowing Danzo to make dark decisions as a whole and that made the Uchiha massacre happen. So unless you're saying Itachi who would know who ordered him is lying when he have no reason to lie now that Sasuke knows everything and Hiruzen is dead. Obito even said it was Danzo and the other two elders while Hiruzen tried to solve it peacefully.

They signed a peace treaty to stop fighting, both clans were constantly fighting and when the Senjus wanted to stop the Uchihas would keep fighting them due to Madara and Izuna wanting to. As kids it was Hashirama who came up with the ideas as Madara told him only he thought like that

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and Tobirama said the villagers and Uchihas themselves all view Hashirama as the village creator unless you think the Uchihas and other others who were actually there when the village was created are lying

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. Madara only came up with the village name, it was Hashirama who was telling Madara about everything that was going on with the village

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And yes it was assimilated in the fire country as Hashirama mention the fire country wanting them to choose their village leader

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. They got other clans joining them before Hashirama was voted as Hokage

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. So the Senju and Uchihas view Hashirama as the village creator.

Tobirama stated that many Uchihas would lose control and run wild, they would lose something/someone they love and that love would turn into a stronger hate. We see this is Madara, Izuna, Obito, and Sasuke; Tobirama said many Uchihas did this and called some of them emotional

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If a clan of people have a tendency of losing control and run wild with hatred I would not want them having power in the government. I rather leaders to have calm and collect minds who can make effective decisions; it has nothing to do with hating the Uchihas, Tobirama plan out told Sasuke he didn't hat them but put the village safety before anything. There are not even Senjus shown except Tsunade so if you think it was Tobirama who kicked out Uchihas from the Village politics then why were there any Uchihas in the council when Hiruzen took over? He had no hate towards the Uchiha and have no reason to keep them out so either they didn't want to be in the council or they weren't seen capable of having that power. Example, we seen Itachi father tell Itachi that before being a Anbu, he was an Uchiha. Clearly they put their clan above the Village while the will of fire is when you put the village over all above yourself or clan; the village is your family.

There is no point that I have not covered in my post. Those are nothing but your opinions.

 

[xxSAGExx]

There is no point that I have not covered in my post. Those are nothing but your opinions.

Actually the scans all show lots of your points being wrong and by your logic you post is nothing but your opinion since that's what it is with no facts backing it up

 

[ministerC4]

The Uchiha I state once again are very unstable messes.
And yes there is a select few you can call "Reasonable" or "Skilled" or "Hokage at age of 7"
But in the end Uchiha are forever pulled by BZ.

There's like 1 stable Uchiha to 10,000 unstable.(Is that stretched? Idk.)
Damn they're so rare they even get a special mention when Sasuke was speaking to the 2nd.

The case is there's a crate of apples, 95% are bad/going bad, and a few are good.
Question, you gonna eat from that crate?

 

[ShiroT]

what event in the manga made you think the uchiha would make great leaders. for one sasuke doesnt even care about his people

 

[shelke]

Actually the scans all show lots of your points being wrong and by your logic you post is nothing but your opinion since that's what it is with no facts backing it up

All you did were post pointless, self-serving opinions from a man that was at the forefront of segregation. It helps your case a lot. Declaring that Hiruzen was kind is your paltry opinion, when his actions are a far cry from that. Do I need anything to declare this false, when I have manga incidents to back this up? No, I don't.

Your last paragraph is nothing but a pile of nonsense. And given your post history and Senju Fanboyism, it fully follows the trend, as the manga and Black Zetsu's statement of both clans fighting each other for power certainly doesn't back it up. It shows that Senju were not any less power hungry and corrupt. So what does that make all this? Your opinions.

 

[ministerC4]

All you did were post pointless, self-serving opinions from a man that was at the forefront of segregation. It helps your case a lot. Declaring that Hiruzen was kind is your paltry opinion, when his actions are a far cry from that. Do I need anything to declare this false, when I have manga incidents to back this up? No, I don't.

Your last paragraph is nothing but a pile of nonsense. And given your post history and Senju Fanboyism, it fully follows the trend, as the manga and Black Zetsu's statement of both clans fighting each other for power certainly doesn't back it up. It shows that Senju were not any less power hungry and corrupt. So what does that make all this? Your opinions.

I disagree at bold, he swore to protect Naruto/Sasuke from Danzo "He threatened Danzo if he ever layed his hand on Sasuke he'd reveal all the village's information to every other hostile village".(Not stating Naruto, but the same would apply I guess)

Besides he isn't the one who said "KILLL THE DAMNN UCHIAHA KILL THEM ALLL!!!"

He was the one begging for time on trying to find a way to reason with them, clearly showing even when he had the choice to have them all killed in one foul swoop he tried for a peaceful way.

That isn't exactly kind, but damn pretty protective.
I agree with the rest quite easily, both were always trying to get the drop over the other.
Like when both had plans of killing Madara/Hashi.