Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo
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Madara and Obito's tag team is basically Invincible and incredibly overpowered. I'll call it "The supreme defence".
Notice : I am not talking about EDO Madara etc . This is the peak and prime of these characters prowess without being the Juubi Jinchurikis . Id like to hear your opinions on this . As I'm on mobile I'll keep it short , I will also mostly talk about the team's defensive counters and abilities here . I have also given Obito the Perfect Susano'o feat although I'll barely cover this point , and believes the duo wins even without .
The context : Lets imagine SM Alive Double Rinnegan Madara Teaming with Double Mangekyo Sharingan Obito . (Healthy) In a fair fight .
Starting with a 100 meters distance against "The Alliance",
BSM Naruto , SM Hashirama , BSM/BM Minato , EMS Sasuke , Killer Bee , Tobirama , Orochimaru , Hiruzen and all the rest of the Current kages . Not any restrictions .
Numbers are needed here because the alliance stands absolutely no chance . The duo itself is the Supreme Defense .
The Kamui Importance. While the alliance has basically a lot of powerful characters and the complete Nine tail in their possession that hold the firepower to completely atomise/nuke the battlefield , any tailed beats bombs and larges scales jutsus are meaningless against the team here . Obito being able to warp himself and Madara in no time to prevent any threatening enough jutsu counters all tailed beats bombs / deep forest emergence / flower three world techniques and reappear elsewhere etc . Obito can also make anybody else intangible too as proven here
,and is then able to defend against any incoming attack without even warping to the Kamui dimension , but by becoming intangible with the person he wants instead . Also , this thread is about DMS Obito , he now has his left eye containing long range Kamui back. With Madara asking for it in the fight or Obito keeping an eye on him, he could warp Madara's entire body in no time at long range in Kamui's dimension, in case of serious threat if the alliance focus on Madara, and if the team briefly fights separately too .
Madara's regeneration abilities
Blind Madara showed amazing regeneration feats , now even having Hashirama's praised regeneration abilities which do not require any hand seals . He tanked and healed Sasuke's sword and attack piercing his right arm in seconds ; and Tanked all bijuus attack with an arm loss in result and transferred Zetsu's arm to his Body effortlessly . Tsunade tanked being barely split in half with Byakugou ; Madara's now possessing Hashirama's regeneration abilities , which has been depicted and proven stronger in the manga has amazing regeneration feats and will need a lot more to be taken down . It should not be that far from Juubi Jin Madara's level .
Chakra and Nakara Path
Madara being alive and having Sage Mode is an enormous pool of chakra. EMS Madara having chakra on Bijuu levels and surpassing it , this Madara here is a chakra monster. Chakra wont be a problem for him in this fight , as he fought Hashirama for days even in the past. Obito's also being around and lesser than EMS Madara , he still has monster chakra levels and considering he mostly use Kamui in his fights , we wont have chakra problems here too .
Jigokudō .
Naraka path grants the user the ability to summon the King of Hell to heal and repair any injury . The bodies we saw getting healed always have been shown totally rejuvenated ; the King of hell can also regenerate the user's chakra too . This fight depicting only those I stated , Madara and Obito wont have any Zetsus around to swap limbs with so this is a good counter for injuries and chakra loss . Obito just has to go to kamuiland with Madara to heal and recover and then comeback magically to fight again . If anything , Naraka path always seemed magical and Izanagi-like to me. Both Obito and Madara possess this path as it's one naturally granted by the Rinnegan as proven in the manga.
Mokuton / Perfect Susano'o / Gedo Mazo / Limbo
As Yamato being possessed by Zetsu could use ShinsuSenju even without SM , Madara having superior Mokuton feats and now Hashirama's Sage Mode is able to use any mokuton technique . He already used Deep forest emergence , flower tree world and Wood dragon on the same scale as Hashirama , Sage Mode will now makes these summons even more powerful and threatening . Uchiha Kaenjin , Uchihagaeshi and Gedo Mazo's Soul dragons can be used anytime too.
Susano'o
Alive Rinnegan Madara Perfect Susano'o being eveb greater than the one he shown being Edo and in EMS State , DMS Obito's Susano'o...... I dont need to argue on that tbh . Keep in mind that Madara's Susano'o cannot even be sealed ,
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And that was blind Madara against Shukaku's cursed sealings .
The team has formidable firepower , Meteors and the Gedo Mazo can still be summoned too .
Limbo
The alliance absolutely hasnt any counter to limbo , only the senjutsu of the Sage of the six paths and the tomoed sharingan can sense and counter it .
Izanagi
Basically , our tag team here can use Izanagi four times . Realistically , they would use it only two times during the fight . That's an enormous disadvantage for the alliance because even if they can proceed to kill the duo or one of them , they can still comeback with Izanagi , use it to revive his parter if only one is took down , or have the possibility to program to be revived in case they die , two times . The duo will just respawn to fight again like the alliance is lagging...
Dealing with Hiraishin users
The team having a large disadvantage in numbers still grants them an advantage a lot overlook sometimes : large scales attack . Unless Edo Tobirama and Minato has 100+ Kunais on them , something they havent show in any way in the war , they can effortlessy be Hiraishin-less in this fight with TBB obliterating the kunais , Mokutons changing the kunais locations rendering the teleportation hazardous , katons incinerating them and PS / SS making them vanish lol . Any Kunai thrown can be destroyed/repelled with chou shinra tensei/shinra tensei . Kunais cannot resist to the destruction level of this fight .
Banbutsu Sozo
The last point : Creation of all things.
Only Madara , Hagoromo , it seems Naruto (I am not responsible for this) and Certainly Kaguya can use this technique . Madara can use it with his mastery of the Rinnegan as shown in chapter 606. To clear the misconception , He brought/revived/banbutsuzoed Black Zetsu as BZ wasnt hidden in his hand this whole time. Therefore , Madara used Banbutsu Sozo , just because Zetsu wanted to be revived doesnt make Madara's creating of all things discredited lol . Anyway ,
Madara knows and even teached Obito the In'youton jutsu despite that latter even having the Rinnegan at that time . Madara can use Creation of all things to create Gudodamas, the Nunoboko sword and anything he wants .
Conclusion
While the odds naturally seems to be against the team at first sight, it changes fast recalling their prowess . I also felt like trying to remember the prowess of these two characters, and the potential their duo could have been . For evident reason I've stated above , I respectfully define their cooperation as the Perfect Defense . I cannot see the alliance winning here, with Preta path nullifying any ninjutsu thrown , Juubi sized katons , Enormous Chibaku Tensei , Madara using Shinsu Senju + DMS Obito's flying PS , and maybe intangible .. Fictions like Armoured Mokuton and reality like Limbo clones they cannot do anything to as they lack the power to sense and see it.. This is totally stupidly overpowered . Anyway, feel free to tell me what you think about it .
Notice : I am not talking about EDO Madara etc . This is the peak and prime of these characters prowess without being the Juubi Jinchurikis . Id like to hear your opinions on this . As I'm on mobile I'll keep it short , I will also mostly talk about the team's defensive counters and abilities here . I have also given Obito the Perfect Susano'o feat although I'll barely cover this point , and believes the duo wins even without .
The context : Lets imagine SM Alive Double Rinnegan Madara Teaming with Double Mangekyo Sharingan Obito . (Healthy) In a fair fight .
Starting with a 100 meters distance against "The Alliance",
BSM Naruto , SM Hashirama , BSM/BM Minato , EMS Sasuke , Killer Bee , Tobirama , Orochimaru , Hiruzen and all the rest of the Current kages . Not any restrictions .
Numbers are needed here because the alliance stands absolutely no chance . The duo itself is the Supreme Defense .
The Kamui Importance. While the alliance has basically a lot of powerful characters and the complete Nine tail in their possession that hold the firepower to completely atomise/nuke the battlefield , any tailed beats bombs and larges scales jutsus are meaningless against the team here . Obito being able to warp himself and Madara in no time to prevent any threatening enough jutsu counters all tailed beats bombs / deep forest emergence / flower three world techniques and reappear elsewhere etc . Obito can also make anybody else intangible too as proven here
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Madara's regeneration abilities
Blind Madara showed amazing regeneration feats , now even having Hashirama's praised regeneration abilities which do not require any hand seals . He tanked and healed Sasuke's sword and attack piercing his right arm in seconds ; and Tanked all bijuus attack with an arm loss in result and transferred Zetsu's arm to his Body effortlessly . Tsunade tanked being barely split in half with Byakugou ; Madara's now possessing Hashirama's regeneration abilities , which has been depicted and proven stronger in the manga has amazing regeneration feats and will need a lot more to be taken down . It should not be that far from Juubi Jin Madara's level .
Chakra and Nakara Path
Madara being alive and having Sage Mode is an enormous pool of chakra. EMS Madara having chakra on Bijuu levels and surpassing it , this Madara here is a chakra monster. Chakra wont be a problem for him in this fight , as he fought Hashirama for days even in the past. Obito's also being around and lesser than EMS Madara , he still has monster chakra levels and considering he mostly use Kamui in his fights , we wont have chakra problems here too .
Jigokudō .
Naraka path grants the user the ability to summon the King of Hell to heal and repair any injury . The bodies we saw getting healed always have been shown totally rejuvenated ; the King of hell can also regenerate the user's chakra too . This fight depicting only those I stated , Madara and Obito wont have any Zetsus around to swap limbs with so this is a good counter for injuries and chakra loss . Obito just has to go to kamuiland with Madara to heal and recover and then comeback magically to fight again . If anything , Naraka path always seemed magical and Izanagi-like to me. Both Obito and Madara possess this path as it's one naturally granted by the Rinnegan as proven in the manga.
Mokuton / Perfect Susano'o / Gedo Mazo / Limbo
As Yamato being possessed by Zetsu could use ShinsuSenju even without SM , Madara having superior Mokuton feats and now Hashirama's Sage Mode is able to use any mokuton technique . He already used Deep forest emergence , flower tree world and Wood dragon on the same scale as Hashirama , Sage Mode will now makes these summons even more powerful and threatening . Uchiha Kaenjin , Uchihagaeshi and Gedo Mazo's Soul dragons can be used anytime too.
Susano'o
Alive Rinnegan Madara Perfect Susano'o being eveb greater than the one he shown being Edo and in EMS State , DMS Obito's Susano'o...... I dont need to argue on that tbh . Keep in mind that Madara's Susano'o cannot even be sealed ,
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And that was blind Madara against Shukaku's cursed sealings .
The team has formidable firepower , Meteors and the Gedo Mazo can still be summoned too .
Limbo
The alliance absolutely hasnt any counter to limbo , only the senjutsu of the Sage of the six paths and the tomoed sharingan can sense and counter it .
Izanagi
Basically , our tag team here can use Izanagi four times . Realistically , they would use it only two times during the fight . That's an enormous disadvantage for the alliance because even if they can proceed to kill the duo or one of them , they can still comeback with Izanagi , use it to revive his parter if only one is took down , or have the possibility to program to be revived in case they die , two times . The duo will just respawn to fight again like the alliance is lagging...
Dealing with Hiraishin users
The team having a large disadvantage in numbers still grants them an advantage a lot overlook sometimes : large scales attack . Unless Edo Tobirama and Minato has 100+ Kunais on them , something they havent show in any way in the war , they can effortlessy be Hiraishin-less in this fight with TBB obliterating the kunais , Mokutons changing the kunais locations rendering the teleportation hazardous , katons incinerating them and PS / SS making them vanish lol . Any Kunai thrown can be destroyed/repelled with chou shinra tensei/shinra tensei . Kunais cannot resist to the destruction level of this fight .
Banbutsu Sozo
The last point : Creation of all things.
Only Madara , Hagoromo , it seems Naruto (I am not responsible for this) and Certainly Kaguya can use this technique . Madara can use it with his mastery of the Rinnegan as shown in chapter 606. To clear the misconception , He brought/revived/banbutsuzoed Black Zetsu as BZ wasnt hidden in his hand this whole time. Therefore , Madara used Banbutsu Sozo , just because Zetsu wanted to be revived doesnt make Madara's creating of all things discredited lol . Anyway ,
Madara knows and even teached Obito the In'youton jutsu despite that latter even having the Rinnegan at that time . Madara can use Creation of all things to create Gudodamas, the Nunoboko sword and anything he wants .
Conclusion
While the odds naturally seems to be against the team at first sight, it changes fast recalling their prowess . I also felt like trying to remember the prowess of these two characters, and the potential their duo could have been . For evident reason I've stated above , I respectfully define their cooperation as the Perfect Defense . I cannot see the alliance winning here, with Preta path nullifying any ninjutsu thrown , Juubi sized katons , Enormous Chibaku Tensei , Madara using Shinsu Senju + DMS Obito's flying PS , and maybe intangible .. Fictions like Armoured Mokuton and reality like Limbo clones they cannot do anything to as they lack the power to sense and see it.. This is totally stupidly overpowered . Anyway, feel free to tell me what you think about it .
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