Agree or Disagree [One piece copy & paste]

[Love Cook]

Suggest you calm down sir. Learn what persuasion is then I'll stop ignoring you, otherwise you sound arrogant.


And thank you to the rest who commented. Wanted to see how One piece fans would react honestly. I don't hate one piece, I like Naruto more but I believe camaraderie is an important trait and I don't always see etiquette from One piece fans. They normally don't respect naruto like the guy I'm quoting. I'm sorry if I made it seem I was bashing One piece. I was being candid and really just wanted to glean the responses I would get.

I don't care if you're ignoring me, I know that I'm an arrogant prick but so what. Guys like you come and go in this section, you're not taken seriously just like vasu, Hixa, that guy with the Ronaldo fetisj and aqueel.

If you want a good response, then invest time and go read the actual manga, don't skim it. Now you're just another run of the mill cheeky turd who is out to get a response.

You don't have to give me any suggestions, I'm not a sir, the only thing I know is that I know One Piece a 1000 times better than you do, and that your opinion doesn't matter in this section. The image you have of One Piece is incorrect. So you can keep coming back trying to parry everything what people have to say in defense of One Piece, but no one gives a shit about this anyway.

Next week there will be another 'what's so good about One Piece' thread, you will be long forgotten, and we are all laughing at the fact that One Piece triples the big 3 in sales and is the most sold Manga of all time, including Dragon Ball Z.

So get on board and realize how good it is, or just get out.

 

[WolfHaley]

Don't really see bashing from Naruto fans that often. Vasu's comment was well organized and should be accepted as opinion. Not only that but he actually put substance and emphasized on its strengths and weaknesses. To be blunt, I've only seen one piece fans be overtly defensive from normal and petty criticism. The fan base needs ameliorating and enhancing because from I can tell they are just as bad (perhaps a smidge better) than naruto fans. Naruto fans aren't loyal. Go to any naruto bash thread, and see how many people defend it. Rolling,hixa, vasu, ezkichia, me, kurama,ct9, and couple others are the only ones who actually attempt to wane the hate a little with our dissents. No one has respect for what we enjoy reading yet one piece fans have respect and still black out to any claim sullying their beloved manga. Just saying I don't see Naruto's quality any worst since I became a reader. In my eyes, I like it more and feel immersed into the Naruto manga. I made this thread to see how you fans would react to something trivial but critical nonetheless and I'm a bit disappointed. Not that you don't care but as a casual reader of manga and bibliophile in real life, I was turned off a bit

It's like you didn't even read the guys post.

You said how you and your cohorts challenge "hate" and "bashing" of Naruto, which is more than likely just criticisms, and then OP fans are incapable of acknowledging flaws and get defensive? You're a hypocrite. It's not that no one has respect for Naruto, some feel the quality has gone down, and they have the right to express that how they see fit. You cannot just stick the term disrespectful to whoever critiques Naruto.

I could just as easily say "No one respects what we read(OP), so we defend it."

Don't come in here saying how noble you and your friends are for defending Naruto in the same breath where you say OP fans are ridiculous for defending Naruto. Love Cook is right, this is just you taking subtle jabs at the fandom and series.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

First so to you this is just some fishing expedition, what were u expecting we call u names pun up on yo name like add a D or something, Imwondering why it was so important to you to see how OP fans react to jabs at it, pliz answer me this coz I think uowe us as much after making us participants of this yo what ever it was.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Why should I take Vasu seriously hes a troll who has nothing to say except when someone makes a negative point. In naruto the fans take part in general discussions as well and some times make negative threads ( and a lot of fans think naruto has decreased in quality but thats not the point here ). How would you react if someone is just in the OP section or fairy tail section and only shows up in naruto bashing threads ?

 

[Schwarzen Blitz]

I wrote this in another thread and wanted some discussion elicited from it.


Re: One piece
It has an alluring plot at first glance, and rubber power is original, but it fails to remain intricate in plot and is just really good character development with awesome levity sometimes. It has an extremely overrated story but people love the manga for its fun entertainment. Its fan base is the worst and coincide with Naruto's. Reason why naruto fans aren't loyal.


What is your opinion on this? No meanys no allowed.

Note I am an one piece reader but I'm not a fanatic. I try to remain unbias but I do not like certain aspects Oda has made in the story. Please try to remain amicable

Whether or not the plot remains intricate enough for you liking is your opinion only. I personally find the plot to be extremely interesting myself. You are, however, right in the estimation that OP has great character development and humor, but you say that like it means nothing.

Character development is a crucial part of any story, and as you've pointed out, OP does it well, exceedingly well imho.

Overall, I disagree with your assessment of OP, specifically with your interpretation of its plot and story line. I do, however, acknowledge your right to think about it whatever you will.

 

[jiraiya lives]

What set One piece apart from most shounen is the depth....The story is vast, the world is intricate, entertaining, mysterious. The DF powers are diverse. One piece is far from copy past in my opinion there's just to much diversity and layers to the story and the world. We get pages filled with content every chapters and Oda doesn't waist panels but above all the story is very non-linear and has been open to many directions that can be taken unlike other manga where the writer writes their self into a corner and everything becomes predictable.

One piece isn't even my favorite manga and I understand that it isn't perfect but nontheless it's this a good manga

 

[Olorin]

Don't really see bashing from Naruto fans that often. Vasu's comment was well organized and should be accepted as opinion. Not only that but he actually put substance and emphasized on its strengths and weaknesses. To be blunt, I've only seen one piece fans be overtly defensive from normal and petty criticism. The fan base needs ameliorating and enhancing because from I can tell they are just as bad (perhaps a smidge better) than naruto fans. Naruto fans aren't loyal. Go to any naruto bash thread, and see how many people defend it. Rolling,hixa, vasu, ezkichia me, kurama,ct9, and couple others are the only ones who actually attempt to wane the hate a little with our dissents. No one has respect for what we enjoy reading yet one piece fans have respect and still black out to any claim sullying their beloved manga. Just saying I don't see Naruto's quality any worst since I became a reader. In my eyes, I like it more and feel immersed into the Naruto manga. I made this thread to see how you fans would react to something trivial but critical nonetheless and I'm a bit disappointed. Not that you don't care but as a casual reader of manga and bibliophile in real life, I was turned off a bit

Interesting names you listed there, add fire123 and we have a complete list

PS we're not criticizing Vasu because of the post in this thread, if you wanna know why we are doing it go check all his posts in this section and in which threads they were made

 

[Aertes]

After 17 years the plot is still intriguing, original, fun, amusing etc etc
Wanna compare with Naruto?? Rest 100 plus chapters are so boring, it's like the same things keep happening on a loop. Everyone got edo tenseid cause Kishi can't create more characters.
There's no comparison for me.

 

[narutorikudoumode]

I wrote this in another thread and wanted some discussion elicited from it.


Re: One piece
It has an alluring plot at first glance, and rubber power is original, but it fails to remain intricate in plot and is just really good character development with awesome levity sometimes. It has an extremely overrated story but people love the manga for its fun entertainment. Its fan base is the worst and coincide with Naruto's. Reason why naruto fans aren't loyal.


What is your opinion on this? No meanys no allowed.

Note I am an one piece reader but I'm not a fanatic. I try to remain unbias but I do not like certain aspects Oda has made in the story. Please try to remain amicable

Hmm.....well your opinion depends greatly on what you view to be an amazing manga. One piece being a shounen manga was meant to appeal to young boys mainly...that's the objective of most shounen mangas. Plotwise, OnePiece has the most layered story in shonen jump history probably since the magazines first conception. The characters as you said have great development but I'm some what shocked that you believe the plot falls short of your expectations despite all the great qualities such as an unique plot, wide variety of characters, side stories that meld into the plot, mystery(yes in a shoune manga), and dedication from the author. Well, of course there are flaws, almost every manga has flaws aside from Naoki Urasawa's works, one piece has cliches and sometimes it does become slow paced for some readers, the manga has some scenes that seem unoriginal, but to say its's Extremely overrated is just like saying that you believe that a story which kept to most of it's original foundations is as simple and unenticing as the mangas that follow the trend of the year.

And does one piece fans differ from Naruto fans? Originally yes, Naruto fans from some years ago weren't as trollish and idioic as a large crowd of them are now, op fans are different in that way, but of course there are some fans that make foolish arguments and are not actually loyal to the manga....tht's what happens when a manga gets popular, their will always be fans who do/say things for unknown reasons....but if you want a straight out answer then no, op fans are not as worse as naruto fans yet.

 

[BISHOPALONE]

The opinion of majority is what counts. And majority buys the manga so its worth it.
Something cannot just keep being overrated for years running. One piece has depth of story and when you say it doesn't, then you obviously don't follow the story.

 

[NarutoWA]

What do we read manga for? For literary greatness? NO.

We read a manga for the sake of entertainment, and yes Oda's sketching skills are far better than others. Also the plot of One piece is very consistent and is expected to do a bang in future. It also has very less no of filler episodes and every episode more or less advances the plot of the manga.

There is no other problem in One Piece except for the truth that the episodes sometimes are elongated and plot advancement is too slow. This, for me, is a very big setback. But the plot is so good that people generally overlook this setback and almost everyone loves one piece.

As we have seen everywhere, the protagonist of any manga has very high character development. Naruto too was no good. Also, character development in One Piece is not out of the world: As a child grows, so does his powers : Unlike Naruto where some Jombie gives power as a gift ( though this is a part of the plot). What part of the story you seem to be having unrealisticity in the manga world?

At the end, i must say that every person's choices vary. And One Piece is not world's best without any reason.

 

[Jimmy page]

I'll give you that oda has used the same formula, though only 4 times, and he's done it in a way where each arc is still unique. Is op overrated? No way in hell. Is it the most perfect manga in existence like optards claim? Obviously not. No story is perfect.

 

[Olorin]

With all due respect, anyone who writes this about today's Naruto chapter ...

Sigh.... for you not to understand the chapter and call it a buttpull.... read it tomorrow when you aren't thinking about butt PLEASE. Obito and Kakashi are still connected it was a transfusion, like you do with blood, except it's temporary and Obi to is working together with Kakashi. This is what I mean when I call Naruto fans 10 year olds. If you can't see the tribute to kakashi and Obitos characters' then....oh well. He's been his friends eyes for the most part of the story, let alone with one eye. Now they both can see the future. Do you even read people. I give up on defending you guys, this is sad

The fact a lit of one piece fans are the ones saying it proves my point. Only 10 year olds (not all but most) read manga while grown ups read actual books. I can no longer associate myself with you people, it's a stigma. The fact you have PICTURES and still have a hard time reading... lol

... and complains about OP fans on this forum, I just can't take seriously

 

[kageking]

How can you critique the plot when no one actually knows the full extent of it? Strange...

 

[Hexuze]

My fav. quote is this:

Writing of characters, as in their characterizations, developments, depth, layers of complexity, dimensions, backstories etc. That's quite of a generalization there. Character developments in characters like Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Shikamaru, Gaara, Obito, Madara, Nagato (in the case of the last three characters it's more of backstory development), Kakashi, Hinata, Sai, etc there just have been too many characters that got character development in the series.

Why wouldn't I be able to judge the fights? I dropped it, but I watched some of the future fights that I might have been missing, and they are still as bad as the fights that I've seen while watching the anime. Majority of them are devoid of strategy and intellect, no decent choreography in them, just straight up power battles, that are just boring and mind numbing at times.

Great plot twists means great writing, that's only common sense. The Itachi's plot twist, is there anything as good as that in one piece? no, the best I've heard from one piece fans, is Sabo coming back to life, bleh.

Also reminded me that Naruto actually has death. Death by itself doesn't make a manga better, but one piece is borderline retarded by how few characters have actually died.

 

[Kayhos]

I'll attempt to dissect it according to my opinion instead of just saying I disagree with it.

It has an alluring plot at first glance, and rubber power is original

Completely disagree although this is an entirely subjective thought. Although I'd say it's hard for anyone to say that the world of One Piece is dis-interesting. Luffy's power is unique, like most of the powers in One Piece; even Haki is fairly unique comparative to how many animes approach it's powers and power scheme (not going to name any).

but it fails to remain intricate in plot and is just really good character development with awesome levity sometimes

I'm not going to bullshit you by saying that One Piece has the most complicated plot in the world, although only a handful of anime have complicated plots. But to say it's too simple is honestly shows someones ignorance of the show itself. Firstly One Piece is widely known for it's intense foreshadowing. Secondly the power structure of One Piece is arguably the most complex in any anime that I've seen at least. I made that up just now, but what I mean by that is "end game" One Piece is really hard to define because it's not very simple. In my opinion, it has decent character development , seeing as how the straw hats have changed very little in their voyage. I'd just straight up say that One Piece has really good characters, and yes it does have wonderful humor.

It has an extremely overrated story but people love the manga for its fun entertainment.

I can't say too much about this statement because it's nothing but an opinion and there's not much I can say besides that I wouldn't consider it "overrated" just well-written. Also, you could say it's overrated in Japan, but if anything it's underrated in every other part of the world. I can guarantee that anyone who's seen Anime knows/has watched Naruto, yet most people won't know anything about One Piece.

Its fan base is the worst and coincide with Naruto's. Reason why naruto fans aren't loyal.

I can't say too much about this cause once again it's nothing but an opinion although I do think that both communities are very toxic at each other, not just One Piece. I think that a lot of One Piece fans are elitest and sometimes a bit stuck-up, and Naruto fans are wearing rose-tinted glasses. I wouldn't blame One Piece for the loyalty loss of Naruto fans, but that's for a different discussion.

Kayhos, out.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I didn't made up sales, I put is hypothetically. I took the records from Wikipedia. Eitherway, if you don't want to acknowledge that, then

You must be registered for see links

you go. Read the first paragraph. Then do some calculations of hypothesis basis. That's what I did. I may be wrong though.

Well you're wrong son.

 

[vasu 32]

Well you're wrong son.

Well I accept that I was wrong back then.

 

[Olorin]

You're kinda hypocrite, aren't you?

Yea and I've been in the Naruto section about two or three times in the last year and even then I only comment on the current chapter in fact I've said many times I like Naruto excluding this last arc, most recently yesterday

if we ignore the last arc of Naruto I like Naruto Much better than Bleach

I was in the Naruto section the time the Obito chapter was so bad that sawyer started preaching and KOL started drinking and this week when the worst chapter of the year came out, you on the other hand insist on coming into this section every time there is a negative thread

 

[vasu 32]

Yeah, that's right. I did give it only to you, even though other people said the same thing. But that was because that was my special present for you. You don't matter anymore in this section, you lost all credibility, so I might as well show you why every time you post something stupid.

Also you said in an earlier post, who said that we skimmed the story. I never said you skimmed it, but the other guy literally said it on page 1 or 2 of this thread. So I'm not making up that he has no right to speak after skimming the story.

And finally, don't worry. I did block you. Narutobase has a nice feature which allows you to show view separate posts of blocked users. So I can still read your trash if I wanted too.

done now ?

@bold And you call me a hater, hater.

@red Then I am wrong to include him, I say.

@rest If you are so desperate to read my each and every post, then why block me in the first place, GENIUS Lol?

Yea and I've been in the Naruto section about two or three times in the last year and even then I only comment on the current chapter in fact I've said many times I like Naruto excluding this last arc, most recently yesterday



I was in the Naruto section the time the Obito chapter was so bad that sawyer started preaching and KOL started drinking and this week when the worst chapter of the year came out, you on the other hand insist on coming into this section every time there is a negative thread

:leaf::leaf::leaf:
LMAO that's funny, is it true?

Anyway, I never said you didn't like Naruto, I admit, Kishimoto dropped many instances in the war arc. As for the latest chapter, like I said, Eastern art style is kinda depend on perspective. Each and every individual look at it at different angle. For example, take latest Naruto chapter. People who know or atleast like Hinduism, Buddhism or Shintoism, mostly won't have anything to say bad about latest chapter, while others can't digest the fact that his soul came back. Also OP art style, which looks very bad to many and unique to many.