MS Kakashi vs Tsunade

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Yeah, still haven't seen anything from you explaining how that happens. It seems to be a trend with you, walking into threads and posting absolutely nothing while degrading others. Calling me a "dickrider" when I went out of my way to explain why I think Kakashi wins rather than just arbitrarily saying "Kakashi wins" is stupid.
Woah. Do you get out much? You have no sense of humor at all. That comment was not directed towards anyone in an offensive manner, I even degraded myself.

I will post why I think Tsunade wins after I finish playing League Of Legends.
 

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Kakashi should be fast enough to bisect tsunade with raiden
 

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Woah. Do you get out much? You have no sense of humor at all. That comment was not directed towards anyone in an offensive manner, I even degraded myself.

Stop trying to save face of what was a garbage post by trying to pin it on me and condescendingly asking if I "get out much" and saying "I lack humor."

I was scared when i first read the title ._.

Might as well restrict Kamui, not because it makes the match one sided but because it adds little to nothing. He'll either fail in beheading her (just like Deidara) or won't have the chance to use the jutsu at all (hard to pull off when there's a hulk granny constantly in your face).

He doesn't need Kamui to beat her, but this is false.

Tsunade is slower than Deidara, and Deidara was airborne and actively trying to escape Kakashi. Tsunade trying to bumrush Kakashi will make her that much easier of a target to get warped.
 

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He doesn't need Kamui to beat her, but this is false.

Tsunade is slower than Deidara, and Deidara was airborne and actively trying to escape Kakashi. Tsunade trying to bumrush Kakashi will make her that much easier of a target to get warped.

That's your opinion.
Inb4 portayal goes down the toilet and the thread gets flooded with situational feats, i don't think the woman who managed to put up a fight against Orochimaru would have much trouble keeping up against the guy who almost pissed himself when he saw the same snake.
The only thing she'll need to imperatively avoid is Lightning Transmission, which is just a raiton rope and can should be easily jumped over by an evasion master.

Deidara didn't even survive Kamui with speed. Kakashi simply missed the attack ( )
If she bumrushes Kakashi he'll have interrupt Kamui not to be caught in the AoE of her strikes, or will simply be killed because of how long he took to prepare the jutsu.
The attack isn't instant you know? Especially back then when Kakashi had two poor shots before needing to be hospitalized for a week.
 
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could go either way leaning towards kakashi
 

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What stops Kakashi from stopping Tsunade with genjutsu and then lightning cable? Has tsunade shown feats to resist genjutsu, because Kakashi did take down/make unconscious 3 anbu ninja (lol anbu)- I think.
 

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All techniques to current but hes bad with kamui.. hmm

What techniques did he gain after early part 2 to present?
 

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kakashi has better speed
tsunade has better stgrenth
kakashi has more jutsu's
kakashi has doujutsu
kakashi is smarter

kakashi>tsunade mid diff
 

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Stop trying to save face of what was a garbage post by trying to pin it on me and condescendingly asking if I "get out much" and saying "I lack humor."

You took my first post as an insult to you. I told you it wasn't and tried to show some respect. But okay, since you want to act like a wimpy ass hoe tonight I guess I'll treat you as such.

Tsunades speed feats versus Madara puts her equal to Kakashi if not above Kakashi so cut the 'hes faster than her" shit out. Genjutsu her? Kakashi is not impairing her with a Genjutsu whatsoever. She took on 5 V4 legged Madara Susanoo and never fell for a Genjutsu once and you think Kakashi and his 3 tomoe stops her!? Cut the crap.

Once again, she faced 5 Susanoo Madara who are superior to Kakashi in literally every ninja category/stat/skill etc. Multitasking like how she did versus Madara makes Kakashi's clones completely worthless and a waste of chakra. Kakashi can't even come close to pressuring her like the 5 Madara did, its silly to even think that he could.

Tsunade has a couple counters to his early Kamui because its weaker compared to his later ones. She can either resist the foci point with her brute strength or cut off Kakashi's line of sight by punching/kicking the ground raising debris and putting something in-between her and the foci point. Using this even once will assure his loss to her as well from the chakra drain. Theres always the substitution technique as well.

Tsunade has a Lightning chakra nature (she turns her chakra into electricty) so Kakashi's Lightning is not paralyzing her at all. It will give her a little shock, as Darui's did to Sasuke. Because of Sasuke's nature, Darui's lightning did little if any damage at all and his body naturally absorbed the rest of the lightning. Thats for techniques like his Lightning Hound and Lightning Clone, which won't even land on her in the first place anyway though.

Moving at the speed of light gave her small cuts over her body. Kakashi's Lightning Blade will have very little effect on her, a similar situation to when Sasuke used Chidori on Ay. When he gets close, she grabs him and doesn't let go and hes done for, again, similar to the when Ay grabed Sasuke situation.

OP knows Tsunade wins anyway. Thats why he gave Kakashi all his war feats but restricted Katsuyu for Tsunade but its okay, Kakashi still loses lel. Beaten at his own game.
 
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All techniques to current but hes bad with kamui.. hmm

What techniques did he gain after early part 2 to present?

Well it's not like he's been shown to have to practice Earth Style: Mud Wall, Raikiri wolf, or Raikiri... clone link thing.
 

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Well it's not like he's been shown to have to practice Earth Style: Mud Wall, Raikiri wolf, or Raikiri... clone link thing.

Beast Runner. The most coolest thing.
 

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3T Kakashi alone is enough to beat an unrestricted Tsunade mid diff. Kamui isn't needed. He's faster, has sharingan precog, has brilliant bunshin feats that have fooled dojutsu users in the past and very versatile. He can use his genjutsu or ration clone feints to paralyse her for a few moments, and then finish her off with Raiden.
 

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3T Kakashi alone is enough to beat an unrestricted Tsunade mid diff. Kamui isn't needed. He's faster, has sharingan precog, has brilliant bunshin feats that have fooled dojutsu users in the past and very versatile. He can use his genjutsu or ration clone feints to paralyse her for a few moments, and then finish her off with Raiden.

Yeah that's how I see the fight going.
Tsunade throws a punch, Kakashi uses Doton: Mud Wall. After the dust clears up, Kakashi would have planted a raiton bunshin meant to purposely get hit by Tsunade while he waits underground. After Tsunade is paralyzed from the hit, Kakashi finishes it by using a Raiton transmission cable, which would then successfully decapitate her.
 
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You took my first post as an insult to you. I told you it wasn't and tried to show some respect. But okay, since you want to act like a wimpy ass hoe tonight I guess I'll treat you as such.

Classy.

It isn't just the insults I am criticizing; it is the high-horse manner in which you attempt to deliver your opinion, as if it is so obvious and that the rest of us are too stupid to realize it.

Tsunades speed feats versus Madara puts her equal to Kakashi if not above Kakashi so cut the 'hes faster than her" shit out.

Tsunade has absolutely no speed feats in the Madara battle that put her above Kakashi. "Blitzing" a clone off-panel that not only may have taken the combined effort of multiple Kage as well as it being Madara's intention to bait her is not a speed feat. "Blitzing" a Madara that was being attacked by 3 other Kage is also not a speed feat.

There is absolutely no basis for her going from a 3.5 to above a 4.5 Sharingan user.

Genjutsu her? Kakashi is not impairing her with a Genjutsu whatsoever. She took on 5 V4 legged Madara Susanoo and never fell for a Genjutsu once and you think Kakashi and his 3 tomoe stops her!? Cut the crap.

So basically, Tsunade is immune to Genjutsu because she is Tsunade, even though we have seen Kakashi's Genjutsu immobilize Zabuza mid-battle and force Gai to create an entire fighting style to counter it. Fighting Susano'o clones that weren't trying isn't evidence of Genjutsu immunity.

Once again, she faced 5 Susanoo Madara who are superior to Kakashi in literally every ninja category/stat/skill etc.

They are superior in raw power. They are not superior in speed or skill at all, and if they were, they weren't showing it. Madara isn't 25 times faster than Kakashi.

Multitasking like how she did versus Madara makes Kakashi's clones completely worthless and a waste of chakra. Kakashi can't even come close to pressuring her like the 5 Madara did, its silly to even think that he could.

Kakashi does not use his clones like Madara does; he uses them for diversion. The real Kakashi hides underground via Doton tunneling, sends a clone out to distract her, and then nails her while she is distracted or immobilized by Raiton Kage Bunshin paralysis.

Tsunade has a couple counters to his early Kamui because its weaker compared to his later ones. She can either resist the foci point with her brute strength or cut off Kakashi's line of sight by punching/kicking the ground raising debris and putting something in-between her and the foci point. Using this even once will assure his loss to her as well from the chakra drain.

Tsunade has no knowledge on Kamui, and Kakashi can simply cancel the Kamui if he sees her kicking up dust. He isn't going to proceed with the technique if it is obvious he is going to miss.

Tsunade has a Lightning chakra nature (she turns her chakra into electricty) so Kakashi's Lightning is not paralyzing her at all. It will give her a little shock, as Darui's did to Sasuke. Because of Sasuke's nature, Darui's lightning did little if any damage at all and his body naturally absorbed the rest of the lightning. Thats for techniques like his Lightning Hound and Lightning Clone, which won't even land on her in the first place anyway though.

So Tsunade now has Raiton immunity on top of Genjutsu immunity?

Tsunade sends sparks of electricity into the user's nervous system. It does not produce any visible Raiton and is by no means an actual Raiton, thus why the databook does not give her Raiton affinity nor is the technique classified as Raiton. There is no basis to give Tsunade Raiton affinity and immunity based on a pseudo-electric technique that may not even be a proper Raiton.

Moving at the speed of light gave her small cuts over her body. Kakashi's Lightning Blade will have very little effect on her, a similar situation to when Sasuke used Chidori on Ay. When he gets close, she grabs him and doesn't let go and hes done for, again, similar to the when Ay grabed Sasuke situation.

So now Tsunade has Raikage level durability too and a Raiton shroud?

You have zero basis that Raikiri is bouncing off her. Mabui's technique covered her body in cuts whereas the Raikage in base was unaffected. Her durability is not comparable whatsoever. There is no basis for Tsunade being more durable than an average ninja, and even if she is, it is not by much.


OP knows Tsunade wins anyway. Thats why he gave Kakashi all his war feats but restricted Katsuyu for Tsunade but its okay, Kakashi still loses lel. Beaten at his own game.

Yeah, of course the tier 5 speed, 100% Genjutsu immune, Raiton immune, Raikage-level durability fan-fiction Tsunade you have in your head wins. The one in the manga? Not so much.
 

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Whilst I agree with everything you wrote, I wouldn't be using the databook speed stats to boost your argument. The reason being that it only looks at your ordinary movement speed, and not the "shunshin" speed-as that requires chakra. Still, Kakashi is far faster than Tsunade by feats in the manga so that's sufficient.
 

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Tsunade's best chance here is restricted. She needs her full arsenal to deal with Kakashi. Nothing suggests he is so fast or more skilled then her in taijutsu that he can flatout overwhelm her, but a clone feint should end this honestly.
 

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Kakashi wins easily. He is a lot faster, with Sharingan precognition, more taijutsu skill, a lot smarter and more versatile; genjutsu with the Sharingan trumps her and then a kunai charged with Raikiri opens her head in two, Raiton Kage Bunshin feint or Kage Bunshin feint that tricked Pain and Itachi fool her and then she is bisected with Raikiri, a slow punch from her is dodged and then Kakashi cleaves her head with a Sharingan timed Raikiri.
 

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Well it's not like he's been shown to have to practice Earth Style: Mud Wall, Raikiri wolf, or Raikiri... clone link thing.

I asked because I legitimately did not remember any.

With those 3 being new techs and being bad at kamui I still don't know.
 

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Tsunade mid diff at most. Early part2 Kakashi sucks.
 
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