Attempting to explain Kakashi's Susanoo. Feel free to disagree.

[FlyingRaijinLVL2]

I just don't understand the Naruto community. From all the posts I've read, most of you people seem to hate this series more than you love it. Every single thing Kishi does (Some are pretty bull shit I will admit, but I digress) you all jump quick to call plot holes, BS, ass pulls, etc so fast without even thinking of how this all happen and why. Kishimito isn't the type of person to not explain himself vaguely through flashbacks and past chapters. From what I can see, Obito used his Kamui in his spirtial form and used Kakashi as a medium to give him his Sharingans. All the Sharingan is a ocular ball of chakara. We've seen this happen many times with Minato, Kushina ect. All of them used some sort of Jutsu from the after life so I don't see how any of you can call BS on this without contradicting all the other characters doing the exact same damn thing. Kakashi having Perfect Susanoo is already a given because both MS eyes were trained by Kakashi and Obito over these years. That is all that is required to obtain that jutsu. Now how does he have perfect Sussano you say without EMS? Well Kishimoto never even stated you needed EMS to use it. Sasuke was almost at the final stages of going into a perfect Susanoo when he fought Danzo and so was Madara when he was fighting Hashirama. From what I can understand now, the perfect sussasno comes from the emotions and will of the user. Kakashi wanted to be strong enough to protect his students, thus the sharigans responded with the final Susanoo form to do so. It's farfetched, and probably would be considered fanfiction, but this is just my way of thinking. Or he just copied it, that works too.

 

[Tobi98]

I think we should wait till next chapter for Kishi to explain it, then if he doesn't explain people can talk

 

[Angelofchaos179]

I just don't understand the Naruto community. From all the posts I've read, most of you people seem to hate this series more than you love it. Every single thing Kishi does (Some are pretty bull shit I will admit, but I digress) you all jump quick to call plot holes, BS, ass pulls, etc so fast without even thinking of how this all happen and why. Kishimito isn't the type of person to not explain himself vaguely through flashbacks and past chapters. From what I can see, Obito used his Kamui in his spirtial form and used Kakashi as a medium to give him his Sharingans. All the Sharingan is a ocular ball of chakara. We've seen this happen many times with Minato, Kushina ect. All of them used some sort of Jutsu from the after life so I don't see how any of you can call BS on this without contradicting all the other characters doing the exact same damn thing. Kakashi having Perfect Susanoo is already a given because both MS eyes were trained by Kakashi and Obito over these years. That is all that is required to obtain that jutsu. Now how does he have perfect Sussano you say without EMS? Well Kishimoto never even stated you needed EMS to use it. Sasuke was almost at the final stages of going into a perfect Susanoo when he fought Danzo and so was Madara when he was fighting Hashirama. From what I can understand now, the perfect sussasno comes from the emotions and will of the user. Kakashi wanted to be strong enough to protect his students, thus the sharigans responded with the final Susanoo form to do so. It's farfetched, and probably would be considered fanfiction, but this is just my way of thinking. Or he just copied it, that works too.

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[Dantе]

Long story short: ASSPULL

 

[riley freeman]

I respectfully disagree, it makes sense tho

 

[Nicki Minaj]

It's basically how the base feeds. There are some who love it and watch/ read it and some who hate it but watch/ read it.

Basically, it becomes somewhat of a pattern where there is something that happens, people debate about it till next manga/ episode, then debate about something else, and it's most likely not going to stop until the show completely ends... Who knows!? Probably still be arguing after the show stops.

 

[DanesoulX]

i respect your opinion but kakashi having perfect susano'o is B.S both Madara and Sasuke both went through hell to obtain it with EMS and Itachi with MS could not even manifest susano'o legs omg this is total asspull.

 

[Umari Senju]

I think we should wait till next chapter for Kishi to explain it, then if he doesn't explain people can talk

Well said.

OT:

Who said that Minato, Kushina, Madara etc doing it wasn't an A**pull or BS? From what I could tell people were complaining when they did it as well. Me among them. We are consistant if not anything else.

Now listen, it's not the fact that it happened, it's the fact that Kishi's answers to everyone's power ups lately have been Deus Ex Machina in nature.

And I mean all of them. It's incredibly redundant and uninspired no matter what explanation is given (if he even gives one for thie latest powerup)

 

[Tobi98]

i respect your opinion but kakashi having perfect susano'o is B.S both Madara and Sasuke both went through hell to obtain it with EMS and Itachi with MS could not even manifest susano'o legs omg this is total asspull.

"Went through hell" more like transplanted their brother's eyes

 

[Nicki Minaj]

But about the Kakashi thing, I just don't think it's a coincidence that BOTH sasuke and madara obtained Perfect Susanoo after getting EMS while the others who have trained even longer than Sasuke could not obtain it.

Therefore, I honestly have to disagree until it's confirmed on how to obtain PS

 

[Umari Senju]

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Your sig yo! XD what Anime is this?

 

[Dantee]

I admit some parts made sense such as kakashi gaining a duel MS from obito. But how does he casually pull out the highest form of susanoo with no strain at all? MS is stil just Ms all drawbacks that kishi himself made a big deal of are bypassed. Ems should be required even indras reincarnates didnt hav ps before ems. Wheres the logic in this?Obito coming from the afterlife is complete nonsense. He was already dead, talking to a dead person as well.Maybe if he gave kakashi his powers before dieing i can justify this further. I expect an explanation at least next chapter. Like how minato gained a perfect sm or so i thought for that 1 week.

 

[DanesoulX]

"Went through hell" more like transplanted their brother's eyes

What series have you been watching??? Sasuke's and Madara's Susano'o developed through hatred and stress for them to become perfect you can see that in their fights. Tobirama himself said that's how Uchiha and their eyes gets stronger through anger, hate and darkness. what are you saying??

 

[The Necromancer]

"Went through hell" more like transplanted their brother's eyes

Sasuke could barely stand from the strain and pain of using a ribcage, and Kakashi can pull out PS with no experience and no pain?

 

[Umari Senju]

"Went through hell" more like transplanted their brother's eyes

Emotional Hell I think is what they are referring to. Up until the point where their siblings' eyes were transplanted respectively, both Madara and Sasuke did a ton of fighting and harbored a lot of Anguish mental torture and hatred due to their situations. That in itself is a form of hell.

I admit some parts made sense such as kakashi gaining a duel MS from obito. But how does he casually pull out the highest form of susanoo with no strain at all? MS is stil just Ms all drawbacks that kishi himself made a big deal of are bypassed. Obito coming from the afterlife is complete nonsense. He was already dead, talking to a dead person as well.Maybe if he gave kakashi his powers before dieing i can justify this further. I expect an explanation at least next chapter. Like how minato gained a perfect sm or so i thought for that 1 week.

Thank you Dantee. This was my biggest gripe. I would be okay with this if Obito had done it while he was being turned into Doritos by Kaguya. But he had already passed. There was nothing left of him. No handsigns to activate this "spiritual jutsu" of sorts.

And then Kakashi copied a Kekkei Genkai with his new Sharingans which , by Kishi's own laws, is suppose to be impossible.

 

[Wolfus]

It doesn't make sense.

First, obito using kamui in his spiritual form? He is dead. Dead people can't use jutsu(discount edo tensei). And then he suddently teleports to the human world like that? Then why didn't minato teleport from the reaper in his "spiritual form"? Why didn't tobirama teleport in his spiritual form?

But, ok, let's accept this part.

Then, there's PS. Yes, obito and kakashi trained their MS. But NONE of them trained susanoo. They never even used susanoo. It's like saying that if you train rasengan for many years, you 'll instantly be able to use a bijuu dama if you become a jinchuriki. And naruto struggled with the technique.

Look at itachi. He had his MS of years. However, he can't use PS. And he HAD susanoo.

And then, the first time obito's susanoo is used, it's a PS? Doesn't make sense.

And then there's kakashi's chakra. Kakashi ain't even fully rested. And he didn't have enough chakra to keep using his MS a lot previously. Now he is using 2 MS and a freaking PS?

You could say obito gave him chakra though, then maybe it would make sense. But obito didn't have much chakra EITHER.

Oh yeah, and like people mentioned in here, the strain and pain from using MS and susanoo. Even uchihas feel it. And kakashi just casually used a PS like it was nothing.

So, I see a lot of inconsistences in here.

 

[Urda]

We are mad at the fact that Kishi just know stating that Chakra connects both "worlds". That off jump speaks asspull.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

"Went through hell" more like transplanted their brother's eyes

QFT

madara just straight up using kamui after just popping it like a USB flash drive and using susanoo without fucking eyes
this is nothing compared to all those

 

[Bimbonium]

The next chapter should answer all our questions, though i know that the answers will most likely be considered BS.

 

[Fuzzy Panda]

"Went through hell" more like transplanted their brother's eyes

Haha this^. Everyone seems to twist the story.