Tobidara theory ignores retcon possibility

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I think that most of the reasons why... ahem... *some* of you believe in "Tobidara"... are actually valid reasons to prove that Kishi retconned Tobi's identity (i.e., he changed his mind halfway through the story). Especially the thing about Kurama recognizing Tobi's chakra 16 years ago. That always bothered me.

Many things in this series have been retconned. I'm not complaining, though, it's natural in a long manga like this, especially when you have higher-ups telling you to change this and that, add this, focus more on this character... mangakas don't have complete freedom.

Other things that were possibly retconned:

- Itachi being evil
-Multiple tailed beasts, and the concept of Jinchuurikis (the word was never used in part 1, and Gaara's Shukaku was never referred to as the One-Tail)
- Hiruzen being the God of Shinobi, i.e. the strongest of all Hokages
- Kabuto's past
- White Zetsu being weak Hashirama clones

That's just off the top of my head. Of course, some of you will say "no, those were just plot twists", and of course I can't definitevely prove you wrong. But they're inconsistencies just like the Obito reveal inconsistency. Tobi being Obito is the greatest of all retcons imo.

I remember when people were theorizing that Tobi was Sasuke's father, having used Izanagi (and thus having only one Sharingan) lol... In the end it's all up to Kishi. If he retcons things it's because it's what he thinks is best for the story. Of course you're gonna change your mind about certain things in a 14+ year span... I have written stories in a week that I felt needed changing. Imagine 14 years.

On that note, did anyone here read the Naruto pilot? Lol 'cause it should make you believe that Kishi had little to no idea where this was going:

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Who that **** is Tobidara?
 

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This post will make a lot of people on this board cry who seem to have this strange idea that Kishi is some genious who had the entire plot of Naruto planned out from chapter 1.
 

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obito was always meant to be tobi. part two started off with gaiden. obito had different chakra when he controlled kyuubi. madaras chakra rods. minatos flashback was after we saw tobis back of his head.....
 
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I may have missed something... can you show the scan of Kyubi recognizing Tobi's chakra?
 

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This post will make a lot of people on this board cry who seem to have this strange idea that Kishi is some genious who had the entire plot of Naruto planned out from chapter 1.

Kaguya seemed planned from Part 1 doe ._.
 

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The first chapter Obito appears in is called "Who are you?!", seems planned to me.
 

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dafaq did i just read..?? tobi is sasuke's father..? lol, why would fugaku help in the annihilation of his clan when he is the one who wanted the uchiha to take on the village. which mofo came up with this bullshit. lol he must be one stupid.
 

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obito was always meant to be tobi. part two started off with gaiden. obito had different chakra when he controlled kyuubi. madaras chakra rods. minatos flashback was after we saw tobis back of his head.....

Well, I guess you could be right about that. But in that case, I would think that his chakra signature would be a mix of his own and Madara's, yet Minato didn't recognize him. Also, at some point during his attack, he says "I have been waiting for this moment for ages" or something to that extent, as if he were Madara, but at that point he wasn't pretending to be Madara yet.
 

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dafaq did i just read..?? tobi is sasuke's father..? lol, why would fugaku help in the annihilation of his clan when he is the one who wanted the uchiha to take on the village. which mofo came up with this bullshit. lol he must be one stupid.


I wan't trying to prove that particular theory. And btw, that was obviously before it was revealed that Tobi was involved in the massacre,
 

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Kaguya seemed planned from Part 1 doe ._.


I'm not sure about Kaguya, but the whole Ashura/Indra/Hagoromo thing did seem planned. I'm not saying Kishi had ZERO idea, I think he more or less knew where the story was going in the end, but everything in between was a big empty canvas.
 

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nobody believes in fcuking tobidara
 

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Well, I guess you could be right about that. But in that case, I would think that his chakra signature would be a mix of his own and Madara's, yet Minato didn't recognize him. Also, at some point during his attack, he says "I have been waiting for this moment for ages" or something to that extent, as if he were Madara, but at that point he wasn't pretending to be Madara yet.

yes he was already pretending, he had already met yahiko and nagato.
i wouldnt rule out a possibility of bz influence on obito, but not madara.
kurama also recognized a cold chakra in sasuke. like madaras

obito is dead, so it shouldnt matter anymore.
 
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nobody believes in fcuking tobidara

Agree 100%, only 1 person on this forum believes that crap and if he would only stop necroing his own threads we could have the forums back to normal.
 
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