~So let me try to understand this character Naruto Uzumaki~

[The8thGateBeast]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

Gandi disagrees.

 

[Chubbypanda]

Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

most of these points are based on the misinterpretation of the manga.

For example, "10 minutes of good made up for a lifetime of bad". No where was this stated or implied. None of obito's 'feats of good' are being used to counterbalance his 'feats of evil', the reason NAruto shows Obito respect is for the person he has become after being TnJ by Naruto. And that person is one who would willingly do all those feats of good we saw in the last 10 minutes or so. So Naruto is absolutely not saying that what Obito did made up for all the bad, he just respects the person that Obito died as and can appreciate his change from the one who did do all those evil things and tried to initiate infinite tsukuyomi. So unless you can't see that the Obito who died is a different person than the one who did all those killings, it shouldn't be difficult to see how naruto can have respect for the current Obito.

Second, Naruto forgiving Obito doesn't mean he disrespects Neji. If you read the manga, you'd know that this whole idea of holding on to hatred just results in an endless cycle of hatred which screws over everyone including the people neji cares about. Naruto obviously cares a lot about Neji which is why he was hit so hard that he almost turned to the dark side when Neji died. Neji died for Naruto and the shinobi alliance, holding a grudge against Obito won't do anything to bring neji back, it will only get in the way of their victory, and if they lose here, neji's death would be for nothing. So rather than indulge himself in petty revenge that will render naruto a hypocrite and just another avatar for the cycle of hatred to flourish, naruto is not going to hold onto useless feelings like that.

Third, Naruto is a very realistic character. A realistic character isn't a character who merely is like you or me, or a person who exists in reality a realistic character is one who would act this way had he actually gone through the things he's gone through and holds the same ideals as he does in the manga. Normal people haven't been brought up in an environment where they were completely alone and hated throughout their childhood, nor do they have it as their lifelong goal to stop the cycle of hatred and find true peace without eliminating the value of humanity in the process. However, if a human in reality did go through something like what naruto did and possessed the same goals as him, then I find it very likely that they would be quick to forgive and treat another with respect, especially when they saw what led that person to fall into darkness.

Then there's stuff like the Child of Prophecy thing having nothing to do with falsifying themes of part 1 since Neji's theme was not about defying 'destiny' it was one's ability to change their own destiny if they wanted to. Naruto doesn't have any reason to change his destiny as his destiny is the savior of the world, so those two themes don't conflict. Hard work = strength wasn't really a theme in the manga, it was always fighting for someone else or 'protecting others' that was the the theme and motivation for working hard.

The other stuff like Naruto's powers being easily obtained, or him being a puppet aren't true either. Powers such as bijuu mode and Kyuubi chakra mode did require work on Naruto's part, it's just not the normal training that people go through in order to gain powers. In order for Naruto to gain KCM, he had to eliminate all the trace amounts of hatred he had for the people who've wronged him in the past. As we've seen from the OP's comments about Naruto's morality, doing something like that can be extremely difficult to do, or even impossible for some. Same thing with using bijuu mode, Naruto had to befriend Kurama, which could only happen by Kurama witnessing Naruto's high ideals. Hagoromo's powerup might be the closest thing to a freebie, however Naruto could still only use it after convincing the other 8 bijuu to help him and after giving Hagoromo and acceptable answer.

The rest of the stuff is pretty much just personal taste.

^^^^^^ I couldn't say it like you did but you are very accurate here and in a sense this is what i wanted to say also but i couldn't get it outta me.

OT: i read your thread fully and i can't agree with you at all. And one more thing you were saying people can't forgive that easily hahahaahah that is what ignorant people would say and that is what ignorant people would do. But No i am not saying that you are ignorant i am saying don''t be blind but living in the past and clinging on to revenge and hate isn't wort sheet. Forgiving some one isn't easy but when you see what they have been through and when you walk in their shoes you would realize it.

Most people are goody too shoes they have every thing they got nice life and what not they never had their face in the dirt nor did they ever have to struggle, what would they know so keep an open mind every thing isn't like it seems. Naruto could have sit at home and sleep all day or do nothing but he wanted to be acknowledge and he had to work hard for many things. People hated him and he couldn't see why they hated him but he didn't lash out at them for hating him see if he did lash back and hate them back wot would become of him he might have become like obito or gaara in part one but see Naruto wasn't like that his character isn't as bad as you make it seem.

Naruto can't be blinded by hate and keep his head in the past he understands people's struggle like obito, look at his he was a damn looser but he wanted to become great he struggled he gave his life for his friends. And look what happened to him he couldn't rest in piece he had his sheet on chains by madara whose soul purpose was to use him and to manipulate him to turn him bad ane he was on his own he helped elderly she wouldn't hurt a fly but after madara had done him over look at what he turned to. What i am saying here don't say that obito is bad and all the stuff he did was because he lost his sight he had his heart shattered he was noting more that a a crumbling wall held together by a dream instilled in him that it would make every thing right. And what now you are gonna throw that person in the dirt and make him suffer more.

No naruto had talked to him he understood who he was and what he was and look at it obito even changed back to his old self he turned good he wanted to help, and he wohle-hartedly gave his life for a lot of things in is last hour if he didn't protect Naruto, Naruto would have died sasuke would have been beaten and the world would have fallen into kaguya hands, you get the point. So op don't be blind only real people forgive that easily but if your best friend dies and you cant let go and let them rest in piece and move on cause life goes on but instead you want to mourn and beat up your self that is fine but forgiveness isn't easy, and like you said with a little correction "most people can't forgive that easily but people who actually try and the people who actually can forgive knows how hard it is to forgive. Obito inspired naruto and this was why he was the cooles t gutBesides Naruto got over his hate a long time a go if you read the above you would know.

When i read what you said you reminded me of sasuke his brother murdered his whole clan he was blinded bu hate and revenge too much to see behind it and what was really going on. Naruto isn't like that Naruto can relate to sasuke cause sasuke is as lonely as h is am have suffered too and even do they may not be the best of friends that friend ship is still there through what they have been through, their struggle and their suffering. Naruto cares for sasuke he wants to change him make him see the light and the fact that he can relate to him makes him feel like if he loses this friend there isn't any thing more. If you have a friend ho can relate to you you would understand

Any ways while i was ranting here i still couldn't get my point Clare its hard for met to express what i want to say i keep holding back but there may be a few times i said bs up[ there i am not sure but don't let that hinder my point.

 

[NarutoB]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

which why most of his fans is probably teenage boys haha.....

Most of this Base are teenage boys

 

[hixa kuogame]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

This is crazy half-assed. It's not accurate at all and incredibly biased.
If you were a Naruto fan you'd obviously have no problem and would be rational, but you're the opposite, so you're going to be contrary and hateful. Instead of actually making sense of things, you'll just call things how they are on the surface..

 

[TheAncientJinchuuriki]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

Okay, nice to know

 

[Made in Heaven]

Sometimes I wonder if Kishi even cares about the manga anymore. I am glad that I am not a Naruto fanboy.

I wonder that a lot, and sometimes, it seems like he doesn't

 

[Cunning Linguist]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

Most of this Base are teenage boys

That should be the model of NB. Try to get an older, more NAMBLA crowd in

 

[bencoby]

Sorry that is not how it sounds to me. I will wait till the viz translation comes out

Like I said context, reading all panels fully and knowing what that Hokage position ment to Naruto and just forget about Obito then you would see just what happened there.

Okay cool, but if you do get in on viz let me also hava a crak at it alright?

 

[Kratoss]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

Yay another thread about this.

 

[~MC117~]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

Naruto (the character) is not supposed to be realistic, like you just said he is a fictional character, his goal is to stop the cycle of hatred so yeah it makes sense for him to forgive obito, obito was also just like him.

 

[Made in Heaven]

To the people arguing; No one gives a **** that Naruto forgave Obito, please understand that. We don't care he forgave Obito, we don't even care that he respects him... what bothers us is that he admires and idolizes someone who's harmed his own friends/family and pained many people

That its too much to just accept

 

[Kratoss]

I wonder that a lot, and sometimes, it seems like he doesn't

Only to those who don't understand the series.

Honestly most of the ''flaws'' people rant about in this site, are misinterpretation. Eh, but w/e, keep wasting your time on something you don't enjoy, because that's logical, duh.

 

[InfamousB]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

Most of this Base are teenage boys

Makes since lol

Okay, nice to know

Jimmie clearly Russell's, ay, its the truth bruh, accept it.

This is crazy half-assed. It's not accurate at all and incredibly biased.
If you were a Naruto fan you'd obviously have no problem and would be rational, but you're the opposite, so you're going to be contrary and hateful. Instead of actually making sense of things, you'll just call things how they are on the surface..

A naruto fan? The main character always has fans, I hate his unreasltic character that's all. Absolutely nothing abouy naruto that makes me even consider being a fan, and im not a naruto hater.

 

[mohdzarif]

I just realize that this thread is now a merge of 2 different threads.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Only to those who don't understand the series.

You must read some pretty shitty literature to think Naruto is relatively well written.

I just realize that this thread is now a merge of 2 different threads. :x3:

What was the other thread?

 

[Red Hawk]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

Forgiveness is fine and all, but calling him cool was a bit too much.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

You do know that obito was under madara curse seal when he killed Naruto's parents right?

naruto might as well blame rin- after All she had madaras curse seal too

Did you miss that part when madara told us that placed a curse seal that control you
On obito's heart?

 

[Kratoss]

To the people arguing; No one gives a **** that Naruto forgave Obito, please understand that. We don't care he forgave Obito, we don't even care that he respects him... what bothers us is that he admires and idolizes someone who's harmed his own friends/family and pained many people

That its too much to just accept

Except that's not true. For the millionth time, he was referring to the Hokage dream...Kid Obito and what he could have become with that said dream, the word Hokage was there for a reason.

Good god, why are you people so dense.

 

[Tsunade123]

Re: Dat Naruto Logic......

Isn't it really only teenage boys that even watch naruto ......

 

[ANiMUS]

Like I said context, reading all panels fully and knowing what that Hokage position ment to Naruto and just forget about Obito then you would see just what happened there.

Okay cool, but if you do get in on viz let me also hava a crak at it alright?

No problem, I have a subscription anyway, but in case I forget iNoto usually makes a thread with all the scans of the chapter.