[Theory] Why SS fears Zaraki/rebellion.

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An interesting thing I just thought of is that SS seems very concerned over the dangers of a rebellion. They seem like they have reason to believe in a rebellion being possible and that the people might have a reason to rebel. This may be a bit long sorry, but bear with me.

Point 1 External rebellion
For example. In the 100 year ago flashback arc, Urahara shows Hiyori a prison meant for keeping "potentially dangerous elements" locked away without trial or even a crime committed. He also takes down some rogue elements that abandoned there duty. Taking down a group of deserters makes sense as you are not supposed do this type of thing in a military, but soul society does not even have a system to resign, which again seems odd because you are expected to devote your entire life to being a shinigami even if you are extremely old, (Yama/Byakuya Granddad) With this system, you can only die in service to SS.

What purpose does this serve? Well it keeps your army numbers up, and keeps aging yet powerful members in service, but it also keeps members from resigning to a peaceful live. It keeps people from quitting due to disagreements in the leaderships decisions because if they leave, they will be hunted down. It keeps people from quitting due to a disagreement and then proceeding to create plans and form a group powerful enough to overthrow SS. Planning and recruiting take a lot of time so it is not likely that someone who has just gone AWOL will be able to form a significant force. But if retiring or quitting was, then you would be m,ore free to pursue these objectives in secret and away from the eye of all the other shinigami. (If you are suspicious, then naturally you would be watched wither way)

Point 1 TL;DR SS keeps people from resigning so that you must always be under the watch of SS. No planning within Rukongai. It also prevent speople from leaving their duties to join a rebellion because each memebr that leaves wil be hunted down and there will be no leader for a rebellion. This rule prevents the possibility of any large scale uprising.

Point 2 Internal rebellion
Because you can not resign, you must plan a secret rebellion instead of an open one. This is where the prison fro "potentially dangerous elements" comes in. SS keeps a good eye on its members and if a person is seen as a danger to SS, they are hunted down and thrown in a prison even if they have not done anything. Again this is to keep people from planning, leading, or joining any sort of rebellion. SS keeps any thoughts of rebellion effectively squashed.

Point 3:Zaraki
As we all know zaraki is extremely powerful and central 46 did not want him trained due to his strength. They fear that he may be become (or currently is) powerful enough to lead a rebellion against SS. But what reason do they have to fear Zaraki. Has he shown a sign of wanting to overthrow SS or is it just a general idea that he is rebellious and with power might act for the sake of it. Well honestly Zaraki just seems to want to fight powerful opponents. Wheter that is SS or other people, but within SS he has found a place to get the fighting he wants, so why would he want to. Well he doesn't yet at least. I think that central 46 is just scared of anyone being more powerful than Yama because it opens the potential to rebel. Without a leader like Zaraki, then the rebellion would probably be squished, but with Zaraki, it may succeed. It seems odd to fear Zaraki without evidence of his desire to rebel. (Like I said though, Zaraki is impulsive and may do it just because)

These points lead me to a question. Why does SS fear rebellion so much? Well naturally any form of government would, and perhaps SS is just a bit more strict. I also am sure that SS has had its fair share of rebellion as well. This can be seen when Kenpachi Unohana went to "quell" some districts in Rukongai. But something to note is that this was rather early in the time of the Gotei 13. Why was there such a thing going on in the rukongai? Well I don't know, perhaps it still happens, but I think there is a reason for it.

What if SS fears rebellion because SS itself was born from it. I don't mean the location, I mean the current Governing system that is SS, the Gotei 13, central 46, current Soul King, Kido and stealth corp. All were formed from a rebellion against another system. I know many of us already have thought of this and have created theories and seen theories about this and Juha being the previous Soul King, but this I believe adds more evidence to it. Sometimes the greatest fear of a system formed from rebellion is rebellion. This has happened numerous times in history. For instance in Afghanistan in the 70's and 80's. A ruler is overthrown by another group and that groups is again overthrown but 10 years later.

If that wasn't enough then how about this: The reason that central 46 fears Zaraki, is that not only is he powerful enough to cause a rebellion, but he was around to see the rebellion that formed current SS. If not, then he was at least around during the time that had people rebelling against the Gotei 13. After it was formed, there was probably an era of people rebelling against the new rule for reasons that were probably various such as seeing that it can be done, or supporting the original rule or whatever. I doubt Zaraki cares, he probably wants to just fight, but perhaps central 46 has a reason to believe he wants to rebel.

If you stuck with it, you are awesome! Anything to add or that you disagree with? Let me know.
 
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glad to see more bleach posts around here lately.

OT:you raise some good points unfortunately we might never know the reason but hopefully its revealed in the newer chapters.

and if they fear zaraki i wonder how much they will fear ichigo once this is over his bankai should put him above just about everyone in SS at this point and he is a unknown quantity i thinks that's why shunshui gave those soul tickets to his Friends otherwise ichigo would of went berserk trying to get back to earth to see them.
 

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Because SS is down to some shady business, what I don't know yet.

It seems Yamamoto and co created a honorable society that serves it's purpose, that of whatever the Soul King is, but then again...it seems that the Soul King couldn't care less.

So perhaps the Soul King is the final evil that never should be released. That's why no opposition can be allowed.
 

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glad to see more bleach posts around here lately.

OT:you raise some good points unfortunately we might never know the reason but hopefully its revealed in the newer chapters.

and if they fear zaraki i wonder how much they will fear ichigo once this is over his bankai should put him above just about everyone in SS at this point and he is a unknown quantity i thinks that's why shunshui gave those soul tickets to his Friends otherwise ichigo would of went berserk trying to get back to earth to see them.

As long as Ichigo doesn't have to save Rukia from them again, then they should be okay. I figured Ichigo wouldn;t be let bcack because his Reiatsu would disintegrate any human within a range, kinda like Aizen but longer range. Your reason makes sense too.
 

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Honestly was annoying since he showed no power that really even exceeded Unohana's combat prowess after the plot trollingly killed her off.

OT: Probably. There was enough conflict to cause a blood war 1,000 years ago. For all we know, Quincy once worked with Shinigami. Maybe as executioners of dark/cruel souls. That's of course walking towards the idea the Soul King once had a more vital role, but the war knocked him from power, and gave more rule to Central 46.
 

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Is simple zaraki Can not be stopped by the people in ss he's to strong that's why they fear him.
 
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So SS is kinda like North Korea...makes sense to me! Ive been wondering since they first started showing us this "Soul Society" why it was so great? Rukia 1st made it sound like wandering souls had to go there to be at peace, but mainly so they wouldn't turn into hollows. I find it ironic shinigami's job is to send people there but when they get there its like being sent back in time to a place that looks like 1600 Japan and there are gangs and food shortages and everything else! o_O That doesn't sound peaceful to me. Also, why do some ppl grow up while others like Hitsugyai remain children? Again, that doesn't sound peaceful it sounds like a nightmare! The system does need to change. The gotei 13 doesn't really seem to care anything about the BILLIONS of people that must be in Soul Society.Ok ok, this is a manga. We can blame Kubo for having a good idea but not being able to follow through on it. I really think the guy just did not have it all completely thought out so we are left with all kinds of plot holes and mysteries. Mainly.....someone should have control over an army of at least a billion people that were all soldiers that died throughout human history, that'd be badass. Even if they were soldiers who had been "reborn" into SS, they should still retain "something" from their previous lives. It would be cool.... anyways, I got off point, lol

The rebellion needs to happen and things need to change. Do we even know why Aizen wanted to become King of SS? What were his plans after that? I cant help but always go back to the final words of #7 Espada, Zommari Rureaux. One of the only black people allowed to live after death apparently ;) As he was dying, he started screaming about how the SS killed the hollows indiscriminately and basically just slaughtered them. They have no rights and are forced to live in a desolate desert with their hunger. Nothing is done for them. He praised Aizen for being one of the only ones to care about this and of coarse Byakuya showed him how much sympathy he had for them just because the guy touched Rukia who was trying to kill him. It is BS! Ichigo proved VERY early on in the series that you could break a hollows mask and then send their spirit to SS the same way they do humans. Why was this never elaborated on? Why not make Ichigo the one who saves the day by actually saving everyone and bringing true peace to the world of Bleach? Oh yea because Tite Kubo forgets what he writes 2 weeks after he's written it :|


*end rant, lol
 

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So SS is kinda like North Korea...makes sense to me! Ive been wondering since they first started showing us this "Soul Society" why it was so great? Rukia 1st made it sound like wandering souls had to go there to be at peace, but mainly so they wouldn't turn into hollows. I find it ironic shinigami's job is to send people there but when they get there its like being sent back in time to a place that looks like 1600 Japan and there are gangs and food shortages and everything else! o_O That doesn't sound peaceful to me. Also, why do some ppl grow up while others like Hitsugyai remain children? Again, that doesn't sound peaceful it sounds like a nightmare! The system does need to change. The gotei 13 doesn't really seem to care anything about the BILLIONS of people that must be in Soul Society.Ok ok, this is a manga. We can blame Kubo for having a good idea but not being able to follow through on it. I really think the guy just did not have it all completely thought out so we are left with all kinds of plot holes and mysteries. Mainly.....someone should have control over an army of at least a billion people that were all soldiers that died throughout human history, that'd be badass. Even if they were soldiers who had been "reborn" into SS, they should still retain "something" from their previous lives. It would be cool.... anyways, I got off point, lol

The rebellion needs to happen and things need to change. Do we even know why Aizen wanted to become King of SS? What were his plans after that? I cant help but always go back to the final words of #7 Espada, Zommari Rureaux. One of the only black people allowed to live after death apparently ;) As he was dying, he started screaming about how the SS killed the hollows indiscriminately and basically just slaughtered them. They have no rights and are forced to live in a desolate desert with their hunger. Nothing is done for them. He praised Aizen for being one of the only ones to care about this and of coarse Byakuya showed him how much sympathy he had for them just because the guy touched Rukia who was trying to kill him. It is BS! Ichigo proved VERY early on in the series that you could break a hollows mask and then send their spirit to SS the same way they do humans. Why was this never elaborated on? Why not make Ichigo the one who saves the day by actually saving everyone and bringing true peace to the world of Bleach? Oh yea because Tite Kubo forgets what he writes 2 weeks after he's written it :|


*end rant, lol
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no just bad trolling ... troll >>> your fav
Yea you really need to work on your trolling skills. Aizen is one of my faves and since Im not big on "So n so>>>>>Joe Blow" I dont really care for your post. C'mon you can do better than that. Read my post and come up with something better :p
 

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So SS is kinda like North Korea...makes sense to me! Ive been wondering since they first started showing us this "Soul Society" why it was so great? Rukia 1st made it sound like wandering souls had to go there to be at peace, but mainly so they wouldn't turn into hollows. I find it ironic shinigami's job is to send people there but when they get there its like being sent back in time to a place that looks like 1600 Japan and there are gangs and food shortages and everything else! o_O That doesn't sound peaceful to me. Also, why do some ppl grow up while others like Hitsugyai remain children? Again, that doesn't sound peaceful it sounds like a nightmare! The system does need to change. The gotei 13 doesn't really seem to care anything about the BILLIONS of people that must be in Soul Society.Ok ok, this is a manga. We can blame Kubo for having a good idea but not being able to follow through on it. I really think the guy just did not have it all completely thought out so we are left with all kinds of plot holes and mysteries. Mainly.....someone should have control over an army of at least a billion people that were all soldiers that died throughout human history, that'd be badass. Even if they were soldiers who had been "reborn" into SS, they should still retain "something" from their previous lives. It would be cool.... anyways, I got off point, lol

The rebellion needs to happen and things need to change. Do we even know why Aizen wanted to become King of SS? What were his plans after that? I cant help but always go back to the final words of #7 Espada, Zommari Rureaux. One of the only black people allowed to live after death apparently ;) As he was dying, he started screaming about how the SS killed the hollows indiscriminately and basically just slaughtered them. They have no rights and are forced to live in a desolate desert with their hunger. Nothing is done for them. He praised Aizen for being one of the only ones to care about this and of coarse Byakuya showed him how much sympathy he had for them just because the guy touched Rukia who was trying to kill him. It is BS! Ichigo proved VERY early on in the series that you could break a hollows mask and then send their spirit to SS the same way they do humans. Why was this never elaborated on? Why not make Ichigo the one who saves the day by actually saving everyone and bringing true peace to the world of Bleach? Oh yea because Tite Kubo forgets what he writes 2 weeks after he's written it :|


*end rant, lol

Don't they send people to ss inorder to balance things out between the two worlds?.....as for the hitsugiya thing it's called being a midget.....wat plot holes?.

That rebellion won't happen unless someone is took control of by the quinces...aizen don't care about them hollows...an who was rukia trying to kill she never touched espada #7...soul reapers don't just kill off hollows I thought they did something else like purify them or something, I thought the quinces were the ones who just killed them off?
 

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Don't they send people to ss inorder to balance things out between the two worlds?.....as for the hitsugiya thing it's called being a midget.....wat plot holes?.

That rebellion won't happen unless someone is took control of by the quinces...aizen don't care about them hollows...an who was rukia trying to kill she never touched espada #7...soul reapers don't just kill off hollows I thought they did something else like purify them or something, I thought the quinces were the ones who just killed them off?

Regarding Hitsugaya, I figure it is a case of decelerated aging for all shinigami. Hence why they live so long. Look at Yama, he has only aged like 60 years in the last 1000. The same may apply to all of SS, but I figure the rules bend for those with spiritual pressure, similar to how those that have spiritual pressure need food.
 

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Regarding Hitsugaya, I figure it is a case of decelerated aging for all shinigami. Hence why they live so long. Look at Yama, he has only aged like 60 years in the last 1000. The same may apply to all of SS, but I figure the rules bend for those with spiritual pressure, similar to how those that have spiritual pressure need food.

Unohana look like she never aged one bit.
 

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Well if u watch the movies there were tons of civil war in the ss example koga kuchiki helped put down one and then started one
 

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I believe the SS fears Zaraki because of the fact that he loves to fight. He's not someone who can be reasoned with. Central 46 feared many things. One such thing was Zaraki because he wasn't a force that could be controlled, unlike the other Soul Reaper captains. They all follow their orders to the letter. Zaraki doesn't. Simply put, Zaraki does not care.
 

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I believe the SS fears Zaraki because of the fact that he loves to fight. He's not someone who can be reasoned with. Central 46 feared many things. One such thing was Zaraki because he wasn't a force that could be controlled, unlike the other Soul Reaper captains. They all follow their orders to the letter. Zaraki doesn't. Simply put, Zaraki does not care.

But why would he instigate a rebellion. He doesn't care who governs it and he seems perfectly content with the current system. I fhe were to go on a rampage it would just be to fight, not to overthrow the system. He wouldn't form a group a rebels and create a new system, he is just looking for a fight and if that fight is with a captain well so be it, but he wouldn't destroy the Gotei 13, they are not worth his time and neither is central 46, so the word rebellion here seems odd.
 

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But why would he instigate a rebellion. He doesn't care who governs it and he seems perfectly content with the current system. I fhe were to go on a rampage it would just be to fight, not to overthrow the system. He wouldn't form a group a rebels and create a new system, he is just looking for a fight and if that fight is with a captain well so be it, but he wouldn't destroy the Gotei 13, they are not worth his time and neither is central 46, so the word rebellion here seems odd.

Wait so then why you make this thread?..yes the central 46 member guy was bascially saying zaraki would be able to kill us all if he wanted to if he gets stronger.
 
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