Inconsistency about Rasengan and Raikiri

[Perlmutter]

Raikiri- Chakra blade which is used to pierce an opponent after charging at them

Rasengan - Spinning Chakra vortex used to pummel an opponent after charging at them

Raikiri was stated by Minato to be ineffective and banned due to it leaving the user incredibly open to counter attack

Why is rasengan not also falling under this category?

I bring this up because I have seen people mention that Kakashi can not use Raikiri anymore due to no sharingan, but that would mean Naruto couldn't use rasengan (base rasengan).

 

[Dãrth1]

Maybe because Minato created it to use with FTG?

 

[Clouds]

Idk , i think Raikiri/chidori gives you extra speed. I could be wrong :/

 

[Perlmutter]

Maybe because Minato created it to use with FTG?

Read the OP a little more clearly, I am talking about Naruto using it. (Also I guess I didn't mention this part, but I am talking about prior to his super speed)

 

[Simbv]

Idk , i think Raikiri/chidori gives you extra speed. I could be wrong :/

It does, which is why It left Kakshi open to attacks.

 

[Simbv]

Idk , i think Raikiri/chidori gives you extra speed. I could be wrong :/

It does, which is why It left Kakshi open to attacks.

 

[Tobi98]

Maybe because Minato created it to use with FTG?

This is true

 

[puni]

Rasengan is a incomplete jutsu Minato himself stated it.

 

[Lord Naruto San]

I think he can still use raikiri it was probably to much for his young body now he is adult better control he can doit

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Read the OP a little more clearly, I am talking about Naruto using it. (Also I guess I didn't mention this part, but I am talking about prior to his super speed)

Naruto wasn't alive during the time Minato stated this.
At the time both techniques were used in vastly different ways.
One through space time ninjutsu and the other through raiton.
Kakashi's justu required speed and caused a linear path that blurred his peripheral which the sharingan negated with its pre-cog abilities.

And even now naruto has clones that act as a medium along with his enhanced reflexes and senses (which can even sense things on another plane of existence and negative emotions) not too mention his OP speed.

Not to mention it was about the chidori,not the raikiri which is the chidori perfected.
It doesn't have the loud bird chirping like sound that made it its original use by kakashi as a large tell for his opponents.

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[Natsu Shazneel]

Good question OP. Another thing to look at is how the cloud Ninja use a similar jutsue with out the Sharingan. I mean look at the 3rd Raikage's lightening thrust move. Is that not similar to Raikiri? It makes you wonder if all this was just a plot hole.

 

[Aomine Daiki]

Raikiri- Chakra blade which is used to pierce an opponent after charging at them

Rasengan - Spinning Chakra vortex used to pummel an opponent after charging at them

Raikiri was stated by Minato to be ineffective and banned due to it leaving the user incredibly open to counter attack

Why is rasengan not also falling under this category?

I bring this up because I have seen people mention that Kakashi can not use Raikiri anymore due to no sharingan, but that would mean Naruto couldn't use rasengan (base rasengan).

Rasengan itself is a slow techinque. And not that good tbh. It does not kill instantly like Raikiri, and doesnt even go through the skin of an oponent. Its still effective though.

as for the Raikiri, it increases the speed of the user itself, and if one is not used to it, its impossible to stop and counter an attack while running with raikiri. and it has great cutting powers.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

raikiri doesn't leave you vulnerable to counters chidori does (except pt2 sasukes) but true kakashi can only do chidori now. I don't understand your logic on why naruto can only do rasengan...

 

[Sakuto]

This is because the "Rasengan" was an incomplete jutsu. The complete jutsu, as in one with change in chakra nature (wind style rasenshuriken being the prime example) can be thrown, so no...

 

[OWanime]

The third raikage is a tank so he doesn't have to worry about anything really except harming himself tbh xd kakashi can still use raikiri since he has the chakra but it won't be as defective as before and he may get pwned

 

[Perlmutter]

Rasengan itself is a slow techinque. And not that good tbh. It does not kill instantly like Raikiri, and doesnt even go through the skin of an oponent. Its still effective though.

as for the Raikiri, it increases the speed of the user itself, and if one is not used to it, its impossible to stop and counter an attack while running with raikiri. and it has great cutting powers.

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If he hadn't used his self-healing he would have been instantly killed. By part 1 Naruto rasengan, like the first time he actually did it

 

[Gerkak]

Minato was a sensor. So he could use the rasengan effectively. Madara, muu, naruto and kabuto proved that skilled sensor could predict movement just like the sharingan. It isn't a stretch to think that minato can do that too

 

[hixa kuogame]

The raikiri is a flash of lightning on the users hand. Since it's flashing, it's nearly impossible to see correctly unless you have the aid of the sharingan. That's why Kakashi shouldn't use it because he'll get tunnel vision and lose control. The rasengan doesn't have the big flashing light to blind you. That's the difference. Raikiri doesn't boost speed or anything like that... Unless I'm wrong.

 

[YellowFang]

Rasengan: An extra-ordinary thrust that is made up by rotating chakra in a sphere randomly...

Raikiri/Chidori: A thrust made up by concentrating lightning chakra in the palm which can have piercing properties...
[If Chidori is jabbed in the opponent without making a run it'd only give a shock but by running at high speeds, it attains cutting properties... Whereas, Kakashi advanced it to the level where he could use it w/o running at high speeds, he could do it with just a leap]

Tunnel effect:
When someone is running at high speeds, their eyesight becomes like a tunnel as if they can only see in front of them but not anywhere else, allowing opponents to use blind attacks...
Sharingan helps here,
But it isn't as much a problem when the user of Raikiri/Chidori leaps or jumps at the opponent...

 

[TrollingSage]

Rasengan doesnt rely on speed to be fatal. For Raikiri to be effective, the user has to be moving at an extremely fast speed. That's why Kakashi trained Sasuke to "copy" Lee's speed before teaching him. Rasengan however doesnt rely on speed to deal damage.