Obito should have been FV

[Made in Heaven]

Obito was good, but Madara could have been better.... until Kaguya trolled her way in

 

[Remion18]

If Tobi was a villain all by himself, Madara would completely unnecessary. But to extend the story, Kishi introduced Madara.

Eh, Tobi WAS being Madara. So basically who you saw with the mask on was Madara at that moment. Its like someone being the substitute teacher while the real one is gone. Why would a fake act like the real deal when the real deal is right beside him and knows that he knows who he is and his real attitude?

Madara was introduced way before Tobi actually started his plans. Even the statue of Madara at the Valley of the End showed his "face".

 

[HiddenSound]

Obito was good, but Madara could have been better.... until Kaguya trolled her way in

I disagree. Obito is a much better character imo. Much more development. Many more relationships. Hell, he did everything.

Eh, Tobi WAS being Madara. So basically who you saw with the mask on was Madara at that moment. Its like someone being the substitute teacher while the real one is gone. Why would a fake act like the real deal when the real deal is right beside him and knows that he knows who he is and his real attitude?

Madara was introduced way before Tobi actually started his plans. Even the statue of Madara at the Valley of the End showed his "face".

More like someone with the same ideals as Madara. The "real deal" gets stale when he's already been done before.
He was being Madara? Sure. But he was still Obito, the Masked Man. The one responsible for almost everything.
Madara being introduced before Obito hardly matters. Obito took on the moniker of Madara, so we'd be seeing Tobi as Madara. Therefore all of Madara's hype would go to Tobi.

 

[Angelic.]

i agree. obitos story ties in directly with the entire series. hes been around since the very begining. his actions both good and bad has influenced naruto kakashi and sasukes lives. he has more relevance than any other antagonist.

i like the madara thing. madara is obitos evil jaraiya.

i like the way it played out tho. obito just has more relevance than madara.

obitos story is more emotional than madaras.

obito pushed naruto hard. what naruto went thru against him was the biggest hardship during the war. since narutos the main chara, obito should be a more prominent villian than madara.

 

[Bling Kai]

Watching that ending again makes me understand more of just how excellent a character and villain Obito really was. People don't understand that his reasonings are more complex than "you let Rin die." It's more like "you let the symbol of hope and happiness in my life die."
He killed Minato and Kushina.
He is directly involved with the Uchiha massacre.
He led the Akatsuki.
He manipulated Sasuke.
He is responsible for almost every awful thing in Naruto's life and Sasuke's life to a lesser extent.
He started a world war.
And finally he is what Naruto could have become.

There was really no reason to involve Madara or Kaguya at all. Instead of Edo Madara it could have been Edo Hashirama or something. Yes I know Hashirama could break Kabuto's control, but Kishi could have given Kabuto the power to stop that from happening or something.
Also, it would keep the mystery of Tobi up. He would still have all (or most of us) convinced that he was Madara, and when the mask falls off, it's actually Kakashi's childhood best friend turned cold heartless killer.
That would have much more of an impact than Madara and Kaguya who have barely any connection to the main characters.

I find this quite ironic because I remember you didn't seem to have a problem with Kaguya being the FInal Villian before. Why the sudden change?

 

[Sound]

The masked men persona and JJ Obito were one of the best villains.
His childhood memories and turning to the good side ruined it.

He could trash talk anyone and break their spirit.

I still think Orochimaru deserved another chance at being FV since he was the original evil villain.
Edo Madara made a decent villain too but he was ruined as a JJ.

 

[HiddenSound]

I find this quite ironic because I remember you didn't seem to have a problem with Kaguya being the FInal Villian before. Why the sudden change?

Because that was before. This is now, after I realize how disappointing Kaguya is.

 

[hixa kuogame]

madara was a crap villain he was just an obito rip off, and aizen rip off, and very bland but fun to look at.
orochimaru was only a good villain because he had an interesting character concept and powers.

You probobly only feel this way because they are leaguing with Obito.

 

[Angelic.]

madara had a kind flashback too. hes obviosly from that hashi flashback gonna be tnj'd too.


obito turning good again is ok bc if naruto cant deal with one persons darkness, how is he gonna be hokage material?

obito and madara were too similiar to each other. same goal and despair, different specific reasons.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Anything is better than Kaguya. There is absolutely no point in Kishi just making her final villain in my opinion. Obito was good, but I prefer Madara.

 

[Stacks]

Why do people say he killed Minato and Kushina, they sacrificed themselves to stop the Kyuubi. Even though it was Obito's fault that he summoned it, doesn't mean he killed them.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

He was the worst villain bro. It should have been Orochimaru or Madara.

No, he was a terrible sympathetic villain and character.

Anything is better than Kaguya. There is absolutely no point in Kishi just making her final villain in my opinion. Obito was good, but I prefer Madara.

She isn't final villain though.

 

[Angelic.]

Why do people say he killed Minato and Kushina, they sacrificed themselves to stop the Kyuubi. Even though it was Obito's fault that he summoned it, doesn't mean he killed them.

he tried to kill them. i guess they couldnt seal kurama back in kushina so they sacrificed themselves to make sure naruto could stop him.

 

[legarcon]

i dont know about final villian, but as for the coolest villian hes one of the best:
1.murdered mist jounin and black ops by squeezing them with wood style
2.he was the one who kickstart the series with the nine tails attack and killed kushina, irukas parents and a lot of ninja in the process, indirectly caused the death of minato, and caused the suspicions over the uchicha that evetually brougth them to extinsion
3.he control the mizukage of the bloody mist causing a civil war
4.he did not create akatsuki but killed the original members and corrupted the organization and controled them from behind the shadows, therefore making him reponsible for the acts of akatsuki, for example hes partly responsible for the destruction of the leaf since he was the one who sent nagato there
5.Killed konan
6.declare war on the world therefore making him responsible for all the deaths in the war
7.killed neji
i think madara was cool but obito and kaguya are the only ones so far who have killed important characters and not madara did not kill naruto and sasuke they alive so it doesnt count

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Because that was before. This is now, after I realize how disappointing Kaguya is.

How was she disappointing

 

[legarcon]

Why do people say he killed Minato and Kushina, they sacrificed themselves to stop the Kyuubi. Even though it was Obito's fault that he summoned it, doesn't mean he killed them.

maybe minato but kushina was gonna die sooner or later, and they did not know that by putting kurama back in kushina she would be saved and kurama was not gonna tell them at the time, so what kushina did was to go ahead and die before the extraction killed her but it was gonna happen anyway, but regarles of all that obito triggered the actions that caused all that

maybe obito as a villian was not the best but as a character overall he sure is, not to mention he was the most entartaining whe he was jin, he made the alliance looked hopeless as for madara he was funny in edo mode and alive sage mode but since he became jin all he did was to get owned by obito, gai, naruto and sasuke and BZ, and kaguya seems like she is the one who needs a break not naruto and sauke

 

[MAN OF SIN]

How was she disappointing

She's way too quite and has only showed one cool ability so far. Though there could be a point to it revealed in the future.

 

[Remion18]

More like someone with the same ideals as Madara. The "real deal" gets stale when he's already been done before.
He was being Madara? Sure. But he was still Obito, the Masked Man. The one responsible for almost everything.
Madara being introduced before Obito hardly matters. Obito took on the moniker of Madara, so we'd be seeing Tobi as Madara. Therefore all of Madara's hype would go to Tobi.

By that logic that means Obito was stale because he was the "real deal" after Madara was technically.

Dosen't change the fact the Tobi was being originally decieved and Madara told Obito this also.

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[HiddenSound]

How was she disappointing

She has no personality.

By that logic that means Obito was stale because he was the "real deal" after Madara was technically.

Dosen't change the fact the Tobi was being originally decieved and Madara told Obito this also.

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You misunderstood me. Madara himself has a nice villainous ideology. But we already heard all about it from Obito. So when Madara came back and started talking about the same exact things Obito already talked about, I had no interest in it.

Yes, Madara was deceiving Obito, never denied that... That doesn't change the fact that Obito did everything and that Madara's character is nearly completely unnecessary.

 

[~Sky~]

I respect Obito for going up against all those people in his lifetime. Madara really ruined it for me.

Apart from that though, Obito was by far the best designed Juubi Jin. He looked like an overlord. Madara and Kaguya just looked like priests/monks.