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No, lemme tell you, his shit is omnipresent which goku can't see, his widow chopper has dwarfed the time barrier into it's wings making it effectively time travel present.
You need to understand cod and the killstreaks full power, via logic ps and pl, his airstrike are omnipotenet because he isn't some random matchmaking noob deck.
infinite dimesnion travel actually, since his helicopter went across various dimensions with his butt buddy al asad and the infinite speed barret .50 cal bullet via cod manga scans which he survivded from, only scathed his arm, the bullet fired was made from gretaniation steel which can pierce dark matter and eradicate souls.
he is with ghost pro and hacker pro so greku can't see him with the gullie suite.
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im aware they had a deal. im aware obito did leave konoha out of his plans for that period of time. however naruto can surely be counted as konoha, yet an attempt was made on his life by deidara and kakuzu. wouldnt they have been ordered to stand down if they saw a konoha headband, if obito was like "SHIIITT ITACHIS GONNA MURDER ME IF ANYTHING HAPPENS"?
leading to the second point
obito ultimately didnt give a shit about konoha. sure he might want it out of the picture so theres no army powerful enough to defeat him, but its not like he rushed off to fight tsunade the SECOND itachi bit the dust. in fact he acted as he always had, retreating from fights, plotting behind the scenes, making other people do his work. im presuming that he intended sasuke to get rinnegan, and eventually be obitos second life should he die.
what obito truly wanted was getting sasuke on his side. he admitted as much to zetsu. that was the most important step at that point in time towards advancing towards their plan.
given he ordered nagato to attack konoha at least a day before sasuke arrived to fight itachi, i doubt he was that concerned about what itachi was gonna do about it.
his goal was purely to get the jins. revenge on konoha could come later when the plan is done and dusted and hes god of everything. thats what itachi didnt understand. what did obito care about being barred from knoha if hes using the intervening time to get stronger and stronger? it completely makes the deal worthless if your not barring this person from gaining enough power to be like "oh you know that deal we once made? yeah im god now so please die" *waves his hand and turns itachi to dust*. itachi stupidly refused to believe obito wouldnt try to keep on gathering up power and supporters.
hey itachi, heres something to think about. your working with an ambitious psychopath who was trying to go to great lengths to ignite a world war. perhaps his plans stretch a LITTLE FARTHER than revenge on one village. maybe he will try that whole war thing again.
your being had, ok dude? its time to sit down and let actual intelligent people fight obito.
itachi completely rendered the deal invalid by letting himself die. given he knew how strong everyone in this organisation was, youd think the last thing he'd do is prematurely kill himself so they can have free reign on the rest of the jins.
after over 10 years in the place, i think itachi would have gathered by now, that they were hunting jins and that its not going to matter if naruto remains free of their control, if narutos not strong enough or controlled enough to do anything about 8 fukin bijuus.
nothing will. nothing will matter anymore if akatsuki get even ONE bijuu. as obito has more than enough power to go in and lob bijuudamas at anyone and everyone he hates.
itachi spied on aaktsuki and obito freaking knew this.
this invalidates completely any fear you think obito supposedly had for this guy. you dont let someone fukin spy on you and not care, unless they are really just an insignificant threat.
you just dont.
the fact obito found this much out and wasnt like "ok everyone in akatsuki, dogpile this mother****er" or put itachi on trial and make him admit to his spying ala game of thrones, but instead kept itachi around, was for one reason. he needed the manpower and itachi working for him than dead. he believed killing itachi was a huge waste and wouldnt help him one bit. even if it "frees up konoha".
that or obito is really really honorable regarding his promises after the whole kakashi killing rin ordeal.
obito did respect itachi.
thats undeniable. but it seems like he not only shitted on him and insulted him but also only really respected his planning ability.
"that itachi..even planning for something like this" was the best praise he ever had for the guy power wise.
and the whole "i kept things even from him or else i would be dead".
but lets analyse that.
first of all, he said that right after seeing the depths of how little itachi trusted him and wanted him dead, which i assume he had not seen before when itachi was alive.
second, he is basically admitting hes stronger and itachis best shot had to wait till he had obito completely off guard, which still didnt do a lick of shit.
this means he respected itachi much less before said amaterasu trap activated.it was this and this alone that prompted him to start admitting that, ok, maybe itachis strong.
before that it was just a deal to keep itachi in akatsuki. like i said, obitos heckly about his promises, not wanting to be like kakashi whos all talk.
in fact i would call plotting gaara's and narutos demise one big "HAHA FUK YOU" to itachi. assassinating naruto like kakuzu and deidara nearly did is surely a breach of their deal.
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Of course there is a Call of Duty manga, where have you been the past 10 years?
Also, did you know that Itachi is a sociopath?
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characterized by
1.Callous unconcern for the feelings of others (itachi does not care what anyone thinks of his plans, even sasuke and naruto. he's willing to manipulate and control sasuke's life and force him to kill him no matter what sasukes thoughts are in the matter).
2.Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations (itachi calls the 4th "minato", which is blatant disrespect since itachi did not personally know minato and everyone else calls him yondaime sama or sensei. regularly *****es out and ignores his superiors. does not do his job as akatsuki spy,
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itachi wanting to lump all his problems with sasuke on poor naruto and basically running away from the monster he created
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)6.Markedly prone to offer rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society (repeatedly itachi's actions are said to be "i only did it for sasuke's sake" as if to rationalise him ruining sasuke's life)
The diagnosis includes what may be referred to as amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personality
1.failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest (
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itachi beats up cops
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makes blatantly traitorous actions and speech, declaring his whole family to be pathetic)2.deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit (goes without saying with regards to itachi)
7.lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another (itachi has cold unremorseless eyes even when bearing witness to kisame about to cut off naruto's legs
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or the bodies of his parents below him
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itachi or when inflicting brutal torture on sasuke twice
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and his torture of kakashi
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kisame to murder two jounins
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here itachi finds out his partner for many years, kisame, has been killed. he has the same cold blank look on his face he always does, regardless.
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itachi learning sasuke wants to destroy konoha. my my, he looks really concerned about that...)6.consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior (failure to capture naruto, failure to kill orochimaru even though he knows oro is a threat to the shinobi world, failure to kill any of his partners, when even a bastard like kakuzu does. because of totsuka, he would have been able to not leave any traces or evidence).
5.reckless disregard for safety of others (
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not think naruto would become stronger than an MS user yet still knew naruto would try to fight sasuke and stop him, basically wanting to send naruto to his death. wants to genjutsu sasuke into protecting konoha. this completely disregards all other villages
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. they could be completely wiped out for all itachi cares, or he would have made it "protect all civilians and children"). aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults (challenges two jounins to a fight rather than bunshin feinting/escaping/genjutsing them then escaping. beats the hell out of three police guards just doing their job because of his own lack of restraint).
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personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for the rights of others and the rules of society. Psychopaths have a total lack of empathy and remorse, and have very shallow emotions (itachi has a total lack of empathy for the people who are either in his way or tools for his motives (kakashi, sasuke, naruto, asuma, kurenai, the other villages, the jins. and i know he couldnt show it but his whole clan) . They are generally regarded as callous, selfish, dishonest, arrogant, aggressive, impulsive, irresponsible, and hedonistic.
Psychopaths possess a general lack of empathy. It includes deficiencies in comprehension and appreciation of others’ experiences and motivations (itachi cant understand naruto wont kill sasuke, calling him naive. he also *****es naruto out and tells him hes become arrogant which is not correct, and says that naruto cant do it alone and needs his friends help, but itachi planned to handle kabuto by himself despite suspecting kabuto had SM, making itachi a hypocrite and pretty arrogant to think he could do it alone. why not just team up with naruto and bee and take on tobi together, and end the true threat?). he also cant understand why sasuke wont go back to the village
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. and i bet he didnt understand why his parents would want a coup), lack of tolerance of differing perspectives (itachi calls his clan pathetic and a waste,
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itachi thinking the coup would ruin the clans reputation, even though they probably had as good reasons for that as itachi had for the massacre. itachi cant understand this.) and diminished understanding of the effects of own behavior on others. At an extreme they are simply unable to understand the emotional states of other people, except in a purely detached, intellectual sense. Other people are thus little more than objects for their personal gratification (itachi offered up an innocent person as a sacrificial piece of meat for sasuke's MS). They are not disturbed by the suffering of others (itachi has the same cold expression he always has when committing horrible acts of torture on his brother or when about to watch kisame mutilate naruto's leg), nor do they take pleasure in making others happy. This callousness extends to everybody, family and strangers alike (the massacre, sasuke vs itachi in the hotel). They neglect other people's needs and desires and can casually inflict extreme cruelty (
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)Psychopaths do not feel emotions as deeply as an average person. Although they are not totally unemotional, their emotions are so shallow that some clinicians describe them as "proto-emotions: primitive responses to immediate needs." They live in present to the extreme, and their feelings are immediate, immature and unsophisticated. They are incapable of enduring, real love, and cannot form caring, lasting intimate bonds with others (
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fugaku recognises itachi has no friends and
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sasuke admits all he recieves is hostility when trying to bond with itachi)They feel no fear, and thus take reckless risks and commit crimes with little heed to the consequences (goes without saying. itachi's never felt fear even when confronted with the possibility of his cover being blown or sasuke being murdered. itachi does admit his plan sucked and that he failed ).
When exposed to grave danger, they do not experience the normal range of physical and emotional reactions that a normal person would, such as trembling, involuntary urination, or a pounding heart.[68] They never panic. (goes without saying. faced with the most dire situation imaginable, sasuke the monster he created being an unstoppable force on his way to konoha, naruto needing to kill him to stop him, and a war against madara engulfing the world, itachi has the same blank look he always has even though the jig is up and naruto knows the truth)
Their lack of fear also contributes to their often extraordinary talent for lying: people believe the psychopath because he is so unflappable in the face of scrutiny.
no sort of setback can break their morale or alter their character (
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itachi has the same cold look he always has after learning his "beloved brother" wants to kill every single living thing in konoha, and after learning basically all his plans were a total waste of time). Because their own emotional life is so shallow, psychopaths often have difficulty predicting the emotional reactions of others and are often clumsy with emotional language. Sometimes, they may fail to appreciate the emotional meaning of certain words and use them in odd or inappropriate fashion. For instance, one person thought to be a psychopath regularly beat his wife, eventually battering her to death. He was afterwards quoted as saying: "I loved her so deeply. I miss her so much. What happened was a tragedy. I lost my best lover and my best friend. Why doesn't anybody understand what I've been going through?" One might expect that a man who genuinely loved his wife would not have battered her to death and would feel terrible anguish if he did. This might suggest that his description of his own emotions was inaccurate or deceptive.
Psychopaths are pathological liars. Their relationships with other people are practically defined by manipulation and exploitation. The psychopath sees no reason why he should be honest or caring towards other people. They typically become very good at lying, sometimes fooling experienced interrogators. Because they are incapable of shame or fear, their body language and tone of voice never display the typical signs that often betray liars. They are completely unafraid of being caught in a lie. When they are confronted, they will, without pause, simply rework their story to fit the facts and appear consistent. Although psychopaths are mentally very different from normal people, through their skill at deception they often succeed in convincing others that they are normal, caring, and law-abiding, all to create the impression that he is in fact the most wonderful kind of person imaginable.
They often act on their immediate desires with little planning or thought for the consequences. Their crimes tend to be spur-of-the-moment affairs. Psychopaths do not think hard about the future and change their plans frequently (itachi entered akatsuki with no plan of how to go about spying on them, and his plan for making sasuke a "hero" had so many flaws that itachi obviously didnt think about any of the consequences of his actions, like telling sasuke to kill his best friend. even though itachi did not know this became naruto, he still wanted sasuke to murder someone for power. and he thought inflicting mental and psychological abuse
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on sasuke would turn him into a hero)Psychopaths who have committed abuses are depicted as showing a profound inability to feel remorse. They know the difference between right and wrong but do not care (itachi admits he failed but does not apologise for emotionally grounding sasuke in the dirt). they may rationalize what happened (claiming he only spared sasuke to be judged by an uchiha for his crimes), perhaps by minimizing the seriousness of the incident (ignoring the fact he killed everyone and ruined sasukes life and acts like he cant fix that/will not even try). Psychopaths see themselves as superior beings (itachi saying only another sharingan user can beat him) more talented than anyone else and that they can become anything they want to be (
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itachi repeatedly calls his own brother foolish and small, making him feel as puny and pathetic as possible, even telling him he's weak because he lacks hate.
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he calls his whole clan pathetic, meaning he sees himself as NOT pathetic). They see themselves as smarter than everyone else (itachi calling himself the edo tensei's sole weakness) and have little regard for the opinions of others (his psychobabble about illusions being his rationalisation for thinking everyones opinion barring his own = shit).Closely related to the psychopath's grandiosity is his lack of realistic planning. They often have grandiose, self-centered goals (itachi wanted sasuke to protect a whole village by himself, retain his clans supposedly good reputation, even though theyve killed each other for power for centuries, and tried to do everything by himself. he admitted he failed in this waaay too late and did not even try to fix it by killing sasuke when he had a golden opportunity).
frequent unauthorized absences from school and home (itachi missing clan meetings)
defiance of parents, teachers, and rules (*****ing out his clan, murdering his parents, basically insulting his teachers by telling them "dont get in my way, youll only get killed. we know from later on in that fight he wasnt concerned for their personal well being).
early promiscuity (itachi had a gf at 13)
bullying and fighting (itachi the pacifist is an elite anbu captain who murders on a daily basis? something is seriously wrong here).
What has struck researchers is that many psychopaths come from apparently stable backgrounds. Popular wisdom holds that antisocial tendencies are the result of abusive and neglectful parenting. Yet some psychopaths had caring parents who did their best.
"There are some individuals who come from fantastic home backgrounds—dedicated parents, all the advantages in the world—and yet they grew up to become psychopathic violent monsters later in life, and you ask the question :'how the heck did they get there?'"
—Adrian Raine
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There was recently a thread made to discuss how this character labelled Lord of Nightmares would handle against some of the stronger anime characters.
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She does not get prep, or healed between each fight. It's kinda like, fight over, notha character steps in.
One: goku
Two: gohan
Three: beerus sama
Four: whiss da douche
Five: buuhan
Six: omega shenron
Seven: ssj4 gogeta
Let the battle commenceAkira Toriyama
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Lord Frieza Prevails
Akira Toriyama is the skilled author and artist that gave us the Dragon Ball Series, perhaps the greatest literary gift since the times of Homer. No joke, this guy has more talent in originality and story telling than even Mister Tokens, who would admit inferiority if he were among us. George R. R. Martins even sites him as a source of inspiration, as well as many other authors and mangka's such as Tito, Oba, and Kishimoto Hakasan. His brilliance and creativity is unmatched among the world of knowledge.
The first real point to consider is that Lord Freeza is actually the combined fears and horrors from Akira Toriyama-dono's past and imagination. A near limitless thing. This along puts Freeza as one of the scariest creatures, for only someone as brilliant as Akira-sama could come up with such a complex and fear giving creature.
Lord of Nightmares is a title given to those who will/would be the greatest evil ever conceived by the minds of man. This woman that has the title should be overthrown for the sake of our Lord. Why? Because, as I just mentioned in my previous section. . . Frieza no sama is the true lord of nightmares! A being able to even make Akira tremble. Hell, Freeza going by this is the strongest in his verse seeing as Bills was only inspired by a cat Akira-dono had when making dragon ball, and Whis by an assistant who took over the cat. What is bigger and stronger, a powerful and recurring nightmare such as King Frieza or a cat? Truly, Freeza is a force to be reckoned with.
As I was saying above; A woman who is hardly hotter than Pamala Anderson and can't even destroy the lives of the Z fighters shouldn't be given a title that rightfully belongs to a being of the most magnificent man's fears. Lord Frieza is the TRUE Lord of Nightmares.
How does Lord Freeza win this? Well, to reclaim his title it's quite obvious what he will do. He will personally rip her skin off but use his potent Ki to keep her alive long enough for her to feel her left eye be gauged out and see Frieza-dono bite down hard on it.
This girl has no counter to the death beam, death ball, and even the imprisonment sphere. The death saucers will be a sure fire one hit KO. But, the raw power Frieza has displayed in the past against opponents near her caliber (Nail, Piccolo,) will allow him to forcefully take her and then destroy the planet.
Leaving her without air.
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he needs to learn how to fight. even in the new movie hes doing the same old shit. getting all pissed and angry, trying to beat someone a thousand times above him and getting shit on/beat down in 2 seconds. it happens in every arc and in every fight.
vegeta comes in all cocky and arrogant, "haha im the prince, im a saiyan, im strongest". his punches fail. "wtf IMPOSSIBRU NOOOOO" and "AAAAAAAAAAAHHGGGHGH" is killed and destroyed low diff.
this is why i fukin hate him. he does not and has never learned his lesson. theres no development here. he wasnt humbled once and changed his ways and learnt to fight with a cool clear head and not be so haughty and cocky. he is still doing that even though he admitted goku's better! he knew jackshit about all his opponents and got fuked up and killed when he underestimated them like always. he learnt that goku's way of training was better and FPssj was better than his muscled up form and what does he do? ignore this and train the same old dumbass way he always did. he cant change and develop for shit. onyl thing hes changed in 300+ chapters was his moral alignment. thats about it. he still is dumb and cant fight or train properly. he still resorted to cheap ass powerups which were not even anywhere near enough to begin with (majin, ssj4), he still refused to train with his son or rival to improve properly.
how can anyone respect him? all he does is get angry and cocky then come in and get killed/need to be saved by the real heroes. if he would just calm down and train with partners he wouldnt be getting fuked up every single time.
i mean we should be excited for his arrival especially when toriyama and toei have him do this entrance and hype him up. but im not. all i think about is "oh my god...vegetas here and he will get angry and cocky like always. ok how long till he gets beaten..yep 5 seconds. like always. let the real warriors fight please". all he was ever good for was fusing with goku or giving his power to him, especially in the last arcs. how sad is that? he cant do anything alone.
i may come off as a hater but i like arrogant people when done right, and when they can back up their hype. tobi, aizen, itachi, cell, king piccolo all are arrogant *******s but all can back it up and dont get fuked up/exposed every single time they fight. it takes everything a character can possibly dish out just to stand a chance. having your moral alignment change does not qualify as good development. see nagato, see obito. at the end of the day, how has he changed in battle or in efficiency? at the end of the day, he seems to become calmer and nicer at the end of each arc but when we next see him hes the same old arrogant ******* so what was the fukin point? piccolo is an example of someone changing their ways done right. piccolo was humbled and exposed by nappa and when we next see him hes a calm level headed warrior namekian who is willing to put his life on the line for others. while its true piccolo does get destroyed/oneshotted/shit on, its not nearly as often and not nearly as embarassing or because he underestimated his opponent. vegeta cant even have his own character arc. he had to steal it from a character who did it better already.
freeza arc: please stop him kakarotto. waah wahh im a *****made motherfuker crying
start of android arc: HAHA IM A VILLAIN MWHAHAHA IM SO ARROGANT AND WILL GET FUKED UP EVERY TIME I TRY TO FIGHT ANYONE
end of android arc: gohan im sorry im so weak and worthless. sorry im such an emotional and arrogant and angry little ass and screwed up the universes only chance of winning
start of buu arc: HAHA YOU SUCK NOW GOHAN IM STRONGER. BABIDID GIVE ME TEH POWA I DIDNT EVEN EARN SO I CAN FAIL AND GET DESTROYED BY BOO ONCE AGAIN
end of buu arc: yeah i was wrong. kakarrtto your number 1. you rock
end of z: NOO I WILL SURPASS YOU KAKAROTTO YOU SUCK
toriyama flip flopped in every single fukin arc and reverted all development vegeta got in the previous arc back to how he was on namek which was an emotional arrogant ass who got angry when someone called him a meanyhead.
FUK...THIS....FUKIN...CHARACTER.
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So you're going to desperate measures by giving me a warning? You warn me? A troll warns me lol Oh well, it's time to destroy you in a debate once again. Too all those trolls who are copying me, get a life because you know you lost the debates with me and all you're doing is copying me, you can't take it that i understand DBZ true power. You also have nothing better to do anyhow but troll.
Pathetic list. Bills solos as he's the strongest Anime character, so accept the truth and deal with it kid. You have no comprehension whatsoever. It's as simple as that. Invalid. Clueless and retarded trolls like yourself fail to understand DBZ true power, as you ignore logic and PL. Bills is Multiversal by logic and PL and there are a lot of Galaxy level beings in Z. Janemba is a Universal Reality Warper and Gogeta defeated him as if he was mere child. You really are a pathetic and delusional child.
Invalid. The Hyperbolic Time Chamber is one of strongest dimensions. The Chamber is 10 times the earths gravity and the room boundaries stretch to infinity in all directions, so how can that dimension be weak you useless child? There is no escape unless you rip a hole in the dimensional walls allowing a portal to open and Super Buu and Gotenks escaped just by screaming. The air gets denser, and the temperature fluctuates, the deeper one goes into the training area. In your dreams kid, Bills solos this pathetic list without even trying. You're just upset that Bills is the strongest. You're talking about Scouter Vegeta. SSJ4 Gogeta is a Omniverse buster by logic and PL. It's just that trolls like yourself can't handle the truth. No need to be upset. You throw a report to the King of NB? Not a smart move kid.
You have no grasp of comprehension when it comes to DBZ. Seriously kid, dry your tears, you're pathetic. Carry on stating invalid bullish!t. Invalid. Dragon Ball's level including GT is Multi Planet level, Solar System level, Galaxy level, Multi Galaxy level, Universe level, Multi Universe level, Multiverse level, and Omniverse level. Bills will make these fodders kneel before him and if they pass, Bills will have no option but to turn each one of them to sand by just his finger tip. Game over. Hundreds of times stronger? The difference between Cell and Vegito in strength is immeasurable. Invalid. Cell can destroy the Solar System and his strongest technique is his Solar Kamehameha, not him self destructing you useless kid. Again, after the Frieza Saga DBZ characters don't show their true power. DBZ is Multi Planet busting, Solar System busting, and Galaxy busting before SSJ2. Buuhan is Universe level and Vegito is way above Universe level. Again, DBZ characters don't show their true power because if they did, there own Universe would be erased from existence. They cut Power Levelsl after the Frieza Saga so that Z characters would no show their true power because their strength and PL went so high that it was too ridiculous and immeasurable. It's like DBZ characters are above FTL but we can still see them, we should not even be able to see them because a human eye can't see FTL speeds but they are at that level of speed. DBZ characters are Galaxy/Universe busters and Bills is hitting Multiverse level. Accept the truth and deal with it. Invalid. This is why you fail even more because you're bringing science into this by stating things like that the sheer impact would erase the earth. You have to understand realise that science dosen't work in Anime but their still capable of doing that feat. Cell can blow up a Solar System, so how can the strongest Z characters be Solar System busters when PL rises you retarded and clueless child? You DBZ hater, Vegito is way beyond Universe level and Bills and his Master are hitting Multiversal. Imbecile, Cell mentioned the Solar System and Piccolo mentioned the Galaxy in Battle of Gods. Also, Goku mentioned the Universe when he stated that Janemba can destroy the entire Universe. Cell's limit could even be Galaxy level because he could beat Broly, and the Legendary Super Saiyan is Galaxy level.
Invalid. Just because he hasn't destroyed a Solar System dosen't mean you can't you useless kid. He's very well capable of destroying one and his limit pushes further than Solar System busting. Quit being a retarded and clueless child. Invalid. Solar Kamehameha destroys the Solar System, and Goku's True Kamehameha is capable of destroying a Universe in a single shot so your point is invalid. Scouter Vegeta is a casual planet busters so he's multi and moon busting was displayed in Dragon Ball you pathetic troll. Z characters are multi planet level until the Android Saga. Kid, i suggest you read the Chozenshu the new and updated version of the Daizenshuu, as you no nothing whatsoever. You should leave and never come back because of your terrible trolling. You're a joke. Invalid. You no nothing so you can't educate anyone with your invalid bullish!t. Go back to nursery, that's were you belong. A clueless ignoramus that needs to be educated through school again lol. DBZ is a masterpiece? Wow, that's the only correct point you've stated. How rare lol. Again, Bills is the strongest and he decimates those clowns. Accept the truth and deal with it. You're ruining the franchise by not understanding DBZ true power. Invalid. You're bring science into this like a retard and like i said, DBZ characters don't show their true power after the Frieza. Someone like Omega Shenron should be one shotting Omniverses left right and centre, but he dosen't because he's not displaying his true power you delusional and clueless child. DBZ characters are so de powered after the Frieza Saga that it's unbelievable. Their techniques have been de powered to planet level when truly their techniques can one shot Galaxies and Universes. You know nothing kid. Invalid. Scouter Vegeta is a multi planet buster and characters like Krllin in the Frieza Saga have a higher PL than scouter Vegeta so they are multi planet busters as well. Dumbass. Invalid you brainless idiot. DBZ characters are Galaxy+ and Universe+ busters at best, and Bills is hitting Multiversal. Invalid. SSJG Goku was able to fight on par with the strongest Anime character (God of Destruction Bills) so your point is invalid yet again. OBD is bullish!t as it's blinding you from the truth kid. DBZ reaches Galaxy+ and Universe+ and Bills reaches Multiversal. You can't beat what you can't hurt kid, and it's obvious you'll disagree because you can't handle the truth. Plain and simple. Again, accept that Bills is the strongest or carry on stating bullish!t. Try again troll.
Tsunade is truly Immortal[/FONT][/SIZE] [/U][/B] Once she has chackra which means she can survive Jinton, Amaterasu and TBB
Facts as to this is her YIN SEAL RELEASE
I know many people will expostulate on this matter but haters irrelevant and fanboys opinions don’t counts when Kishimoto has confirmed this issue.....
The Yin seal was first introduce in the SANNINS BATTLE........
Seen here below it was stated that Tsunade can’t be killed NEVER EVER IN BATTLE (ONCE SHE HAS CHACKRA/STAMINA)
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Now as to strengthen my point further
With sufficient chackra Tsunade is capable to execute a summoning jutsu and summon big katsuyu (which we all know consumes a tonne of chackra depending on the size of the summon) after been bisected in half and still capable to heal the kages and feel confident to heal herself after that aftermath.
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Other hints have been indicated that she can’t be killed....
*IF I GET KILLED*
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Tsunade tanked 3 Yasaka Magatama Face first after that, only to be regenerated in an instant
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HOWEVER NOT ONLY THE YIN SEAL SERVES AS REGENERATION PURPOSES BUT IT SEALS/STORES INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL CHACKRA FORCES FOR TSUNADE TO USE AT ANY GIVEN TIME..........
Facts as to this statement is provided here
The Yin Seal: Release is a powerful sealing technique used by Tsunade. Over a period of time, Tsunade focuses and builds up chakra in the seal mark on her forehead. The release command disperses the seal and allows the stored chakra to pump back into her body. She used this stored chakra to perform the Creation Rebirth technique on herself and healed a vast amount of people through Katsuyu. She is also able to use the Strength of a Hundred Technique after releasing the seal.
After using the chakra from the Yin Seal for her techniques, if there is any leftover chakra, Tsunade may use it to re-form the seal as she did after her fight with Orochimaru.[2]
Tsunade's grandmother, Mito Uzumaki, had a similar diamond-shaped mark on her forehead. Although it is believed that Tsunade's seal was modelled after the mark, it is unknown whether her grandmother was able to use the same technique or not.
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After using the chakra from the Yin Seal for her techniques, if there is any leftover chakra, Tsunade may use it to re-form the seal as she did after her fight with Orochimaru.[2]
Tsunade's grandmother, Mito Uzumaki, had a similar diamond-shaped mark on her forehead. Although it is believed that Tsunade's seal was modelled after the mark, it is unknown whether her grandmother was able to use the same technique or not.
Now if we look at Mito, guys there are some similar traits
Mito, Tsunade's grandmother, was known for sealing techs, being the greatest Uzumaki sealer behind the Uzumaki clan leader, she was a prodigy and was SHOAI'S WIFE. At one point when Hashirama had control over Kurama Mito used her YIN SEAL to seal the 9 tails INSIDE OF HER, as so to ensure the village was safe.......
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I have provided information as to how the seal is form by gathering chakra inside of her body and use as healing purpose, now i will illustrate how her YIN SEAL can be utilized for DEFENSIVE-OFFENSIVE purpose (external chakra source)
Do you all remember what databook 2 and Manga stated........?
POINTS TO REMEMBER
[*]The Yin Seal: Release is a powerful sealing technique used by Tsunade.
[*]Over a period of time, Tsunade focuses and builds up chakra in the seal mark on her forehead
[*] Mito used her Seal to store Kurama's chakra inside her (external chackra)
[*]Tsunade's Yin seal was modelled after Mito's
[*]After using the chakra from the Yin Seal for her techniques, if there is any leftover chakra, Tsunade may use it to re-form the seal
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Hence why Tsunade said she would use the YIN SEAL TO TRAVEL AT LIGHTNING SPEED WITHOUT HEALING IN THE PROCESS.....
HERE SHE IS DICTATING TO MABUI THAT SHE WILL HANDLE IT
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TSUNADE THEN STATES/POINTS, SHE WILL USE HER YIN SEAL AND HANDLE THE RAITON TECHNIQUE
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AND HERE AS YOU CAN ALL SEE CLEARLY, THERE WAS NO ACTIVATION OF THE YIN SEAL FOR REGENERATION BECAUSE IF SO, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED TO HEAL AT THE ARRIVING BATTLE GROUNDS
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TRAVELING VIA LIGHT
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NOW HEALING WOUNDS
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HENCE Why Manga/Data-book stated that its a powerful sealing jutsu that can be used for regeneration and it was devised from Mito's seal/trade mark ,
Ok so people who weren't clear on the EXTENT of her SEAL MARK there you go
Pertaining to Jinton, i still see people misunderstanding the entire effect of that jutsu it doesn't operates at ATOMIC LEVEL BECAUSE ITS CALLED ATOMIC PARTICLE NO JUTSU, IT TURNS YOUR MOLECULES TO DUST, HENCE WHY ITS KNOWN AS DUST RELEASE(ATOMIC PARTICLE NO JUTSU)
For the perpetuation of misconstruction on this jutsu by BASE MEMBERS (MOSTLY HATERS) many people believe that Masashi kishimoto used a HYPERBOLE CLAUSE-------what DEFUQ, how did hyperbole clause arrived in MANGA AND DATA BOOK FACTS :|........... If you people are watching the size of the jutsu that has nothing to do with FACTS........EVIDENCE........AND TRUTH
Stated here: it was said that her chakra was use to stimulate various enzymes that ACCELERATES HER CELLS DUPLICATION RATE FOR RAPID REFORMATION; Hence why she can regrow damage parts/limbs and organs
ENZYMES ARE LARGE MOLECULES; TSUNADE HEALS ON A MOLECULAR SCALE
Enzymes (pron.: /ˈɛnzaɪmz/) are large biological molecules responsible for the thousands of chemical interconversions that sustain life.[1][2] They are highly selective catalysts, greatly accelerating both the rate and specificity of metabolic reactions, from the digestion of food to the synthesis of DNA. Most enzymes are proteins, although some catalytic RNA molecules have been identified. Enzymes adopt a specific three-dimensional structure, and may employ organic (e.g. biotin) and inorganic (e.g. magnesium ion) co-factors to assist in catalysis.
While jinton operates on a MOLECULAR LEVEL
So as you all can clearly see by comparing the 2 jutsus databook and Manga has shown that dust release would just pulverize Tsunade's first sets of molecules if she gets caught into the jutsu confinement.
Enzymes would already been stimulated to create her new sets of cells that would replace those that were sent into OBLIVION BY JINTON, and so the process continues until her TANK of chakra has ran out....(that’s if Onoki can keep up jinton attacks)
Pertaining To Amaterasu Tsunade's YIN SEAL is a powerful sealing jutsu that carry's regen attributes, she can also store and seal external chakra sources , like for example Dan info i provided a the top and when she traveled through the raiton technique earlier(indication to its sealing prowess )
Amaterasu was not stated on any specific level of operation, neither was there any information that you can’t healed under such attack while Tsunade was stated to rapidly heal on a MOLECULAR SCALE, being ignited she can decide whether she seals the flames or regenerates from it....
Provided here from Manga its stated that the black flames will attack from different angles and meet at a central spot where the user FOCUSES the jutsu on his/her opponent. Its inextinguishable until for 7 days and it disperses after its target has being eradicated.
But with this info people are still misunderstanding *THE NEVER EVER CANT BE KILLED ONCE I HAVE CHAKRA* *AND RAPID REFORMATION OF ENZYMES AND CELLS DUPLICATION*
ENZYMES ARE LARGE MOLECULES; TSUNADE HEALS ON A MOLECULAR SCALE
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Enzymes (pron.: /ˈɛnzaɪmz/) are large biological molecules responsible for the thousands of chemical interconversions that sustain life.[1][2] They are highly selective catalysts, greatly accelerating both the rate and specificity of metabolic reactions, from the digestion of food to the synthesis of DNA. Most enzymes are proteins, although some catalytic RNA molecules have been identified. Enzymes adopt a specific three-dimensional structure, and may employ organic (e.g. biotin) and inorganic (e.g. magnesium ion) co-factors to assist in catalysis.
While jinton operates on a MOLECULAR LEVEL
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The techniques of this nature initially form as a small three-dimensional object (e.g. a cube, a cone, etc.) composed of chakra that forms between the user's hands. When the technique is released, the form expands and surrounds the target. This nature allows the user to manipulate molecules, giving them the ability to disintegrate anything on a molecular level within the boundaries of the three-dimensional form.
The structure expands rapidly in size when being propelled towards its intended target and traps them inside its confines. The sphere then seems to explode with a tremendous amount of force, while the exterior walls of the structure effectively restrict the size of the blast radius, resulting in the destruction of everything and anyone caught within as they are pulverized into minute particles of dust. The technique isn't limited to just affecting physical matter; it can also affect chakra-based defenses, witnessed from Ōnoki's use of it to destroy Madara Uchiha's Susanoo.
Dust Release techniques seem to require a certain amount of time when preparing the three-dimensional object, making it possible to prematurely halt the technique before it is completed, but once it's finished, the technique can be fired with astonishing speed. The hands also play a crucial role in preparation of techniques, interfering with the user's arms can hinder the technique.[1][2] Dust Release techniques also appear to be rather chakra-taxing.[3]
The structure expands rapidly in size when being propelled towards its intended target and traps them inside its confines. The sphere then seems to explode with a tremendous amount of force, while the exterior walls of the structure effectively restrict the size of the blast radius, resulting in the destruction of everything and anyone caught within as they are pulverized into minute particles of dust. The technique isn't limited to just affecting physical matter; it can also affect chakra-based defenses, witnessed from Ōnoki's use of it to destroy Madara Uchiha's Susanoo.
Dust Release techniques seem to require a certain amount of time when preparing the three-dimensional object, making it possible to prematurely halt the technique before it is completed, but once it's finished, the technique can be fired with astonishing speed. The hands also play a crucial role in preparation of techniques, interfering with the user's arms can hinder the technique.[1][2] Dust Release techniques also appear to be rather chakra-taxing.[3]
So as you all can clearly see by comparing the 2 jutsus databook and Manga has shown that dust release would just pulverize Tsunade's first sets of molecules if she gets caught into the jutsu confinement.
Enzymes would already been stimulated to create her new sets of cells that would replace those that were sent into OBLIVION BY JINTON, and so the process continues until her TANK of chakra has ran out....(that’s if Onoki can keep up jinton attacks)
Pertaining To Amaterasu Tsunade's YIN SEAL is a powerful sealing jutsu that carry's regen attributes, she can also store and seal external chakra sources , like for example Dan info i provided a the top and when she traveled through the raiton technique earlier(indication to its sealing prowess )
Amaterasu was not stated on any specific level of operation, neither was there any information that you can’t healed under such attack while Tsunade was stated to rapidly heal on a MOLECULAR SCALE, being ignited she can decide whether she seals the flames or regenerates from it....
Provided here from Manga its stated that the black flames will attack from different angles and meet at a central spot where the user FOCUSES the jutsu on his/her opponent. Its inextinguishable until for 7 days and it disperses after its target has being eradicated.
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But with this info people are still misunderstanding *THE NEVER EVER CANT BE KILLED ONCE I HAVE CHAKRA* *AND RAPID REFORMATION OF ENZYMES AND CELLS DUPLICATION*
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POINTS TO REMEMBER
[*]Amaterasu disintegrates anything it touches into cinders
[*]Tsunade quickly changes enzymes and cells
[*]Amaterasu converges on a central spot where the user concentrates
[*] Tsunade can’t be killed until her tank is out.........
Amaterasu eradicates anything to cinders that it touches according to zestu's, statement.
Now if we apply that to Tsunade's REGEN... It will disintegrates her top layer or first layer of cells, (when cast on the skin) as it rots away her cells, she's creating new enzymes rapidly that will transform into new cells and replace the damage ones. In other words her duplication of cells serves as a substitution.
The Amaterasu will now eradicate her first sets of cells then disperses to another nearby target as its first task has been executed, which was disintegrating what it was cast on, which was her first sets of cells or top layer.
Now that new ones as served as a replacement, uchiha Itachi or Sasuke would need to apply more black flames on Tsunade to disintegrate her new layer and so the process perpetuate until she's out of chackra and collapses.
Do you guys remember the first summary for her YIN SEAL PURPOSE.......?(data-book provision)
[*]The Yin Seal: Release is a powerful sealing technique used by Tsunade.
[*]Over a period of time, Tsunade focuses and builds up chakra in the seal mark on her forehead
[*] Mito used her Seal to store Kurama's chakra inside her (external chackra)
[*]Tsunade's Yin seal was modelled after Mito's
[*]After using the chakra from the Yin Seal for her techniques, if there is any leftover chakra, Tsunade may use it to re-form the seal
Now Tsunade can also store this external chackra force/source in her YIN SEAL (Don't be confused it’s a powerful sealing jutsu that also has healing purposes) just like what she did with DAN'S.....
We have seen black flames sealed once by a shinobi and we have seen how another shinobi blocks the black flames without it burning via his defense. Gaara of the sand was able to infuse his chackra in his sand to protect A foot from rotten, the chackra based sand was then left aside untouched by the black flames, this should at least give you guys a better understanding as to whatever it TOUCHES FIRST THAT'S ITS ORIGINAL DUTY THEN IT GOES ASIDE.....
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Jiraiya the mount sage was also able to stop the black flames by drafting writings on a scroll which would store the flames in a circular sealing space.... seen here below
THE KANJI IS A kind of fūinjutsu that involves sealing a technique's effects within a specific location. As it is tailored for fire release ninjutsu, it requires a caster well-versed in the exacting art of "Sealing Formulas", as well as in ninjutsu. The jutsu-sealing space in the scroll is left blank, for the formula to be inscribed in with a brush. After performing the needed hand seals, vapour appears from the scroll, and envelops the flames. They are sucked in towards the scroll, and the appearance of the kanji for seal (封) certifies the technique's completion. Once the sealing is performed, the technique's effects cannot be released anew as long as an unsealing technique is not applied. It is an effective technique to circumvent any secondary damage a dangerous enemy technique might cause. It is even capable of sealing the black flames of AMATERASU.....
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if we look closer it’s the same vapor coming off Tsunade's body right here (THAT CAN BE USED TO ENVELOPE THE FLAMES for storage) when she draws for the YIN SEAL power and if you take a look at the kanji it has the same ARROW MARKINGS LIKE THAT ON TSUNADE'S HEAD (BUT CIRCULAR INSTEAD) she also has a space in her head from where her arrow markings branches off
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CREDITS GOES TO FIRE LORD AZULA For helping me with the sealing info
Pertaining with the TBB, well we have seen a minuscule Katsuyu tank that heightened and destructive force along with the corrosive cloak that she stick on( it should have melted her in the process, while lying on his shoulders) and a chibaku tensei with a large scale shinra tensei and katsuyu clone didn't popped, it withstood all that
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This should give you an intimation of how much the jumbo size slug would tank , split in smaller forms with Tsunade inside her if she realizes her master is running low on chakra........
SANNINS usually retains affinity from their individual summonings, this could also be the sole reason why Tsunade can Tank so much deadly attacks up front without using rebirth at start......
SO THERE YOU HAVE ONLY......FACTS........EVIDENCE.......AND TRUTH, Kishimoto hasn't stated something beyond Tsunade's regeneration or sealing jutsu that she can’t handle so please live with it, i have to live with the fact that an EDO MADARA DESTROYED HER when byakugou was off, (but she's still living) there is nothing else i can do you undo MANGA/DATA-BOOKS or even interview facts.
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Ok now, since I was around debating with certain members of the base, regarding the given subject, in order to be able to keep well-ordered the statements I am doing in regards to this subject, I have decided to create this thread.
DISCLAIMER: No trolls, Uchiha/Tsunade fanboys are allowed! What I am making here is certain scenarios, and I am backing-up my statements. I don't need any of the praises from Tsunade fans nor any of the hate/flaming of the Uchiha fanboys. I even, myself, admitted that given certain scenario and the feats shown throughout the manga, Tsunade could lose.
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Thank you for your understanding!
Now, let's take a little look, first, at Itachi's abilities. What does he have in his arsenal.
Sharingan/Mangekyo Sharingan which gives him the following jutsus:
1. Base Genjutsu
2. Tsukyomi
3. Amaterasu
4. Susanoo (equiped with Sword of Totsuka & Yata Mirror)
5. Izanami
Nature type: Fire which grants him the following:
1. Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
2. Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
3. Yasaka Magatama
What else have wee seen at Itachi? Well:
1. Shadow Clone Technique
2. Crow Clone Technique
3. Clone Great Explosion
So, nonetheless, a prodigy of the Uchiha clan.
Now, let's take a look at Tsunade Senju. What does she have in her arsenal? Well:
Presumed chakra nature: Lightning
1. Mystical Palm Technique
2. Body Pathway Derangement
3. Chakra Enhanced Strength
4. Chakra Scalpel
5. Chakra Transfer Technique
6. Creation/Genesis Rebirth (Souzou Saizei)
7. Healing Chakra Transmission
8. Strength of a Hundred Technique (Byakugou)
9. Summoning Technique (Slugs: Katsuyu)
10. Yin Seal: Release
11. Heavenly Kick of Pain/Tsūtenkyaku
As well, being the teacher of Shizune and Sakura, we know that throughout her arsenal can be found antidotes to certain poisons, poisoned ninja tools, sleeping gas bombs.
Now let's address the very first concern that has been issued when it comes to a fight with Itachi is Genjutsu/Tsukyomi.
Throughout the manga, we have seen that against Genjutsu users you have a chance to fight. One would be not looking into their eyes and second one would be the chakra disruption as genjutsu is well known of having to do with the irregular flow in ones chakra system when is casted.
I previously explained how Tsunade would be able to fight with a genjutsu type user and I will do it again.
I. Not looking into Itachi's eyes. Taijutsu based combat.
Many are quick to disregard Tsunade's combat skills simply because she doesn't seem as quick and precise as other combatants such as Gai and Lee. While this might be true, it does not necessarily make her any less dangerous in combat.
These sorts of comparisons often lead to her underestimation due to the fact that most people do not realise that Tsunade utilises a different style in combat, one that is not as reliant upon her speed and precision of attacks. This style takes full advantage of the traits that set her apart from most others, which in concert can make her more or equally as dangerous a close-quarters combatant as any other high tier ninja.
First of all, whilst Tsunade may not be very fast, she is certainly not slow.
She has shown the ability to blitz an opponent who according to the databook possesses more speed than herself (so that's why I always wondered why the databook put her speed lesser than it's showed in the manga). Furthermore, it should be noted that Shunshin no Jutsu (Body Flicker Technique) is classified as ninjutsu and therefore may be partially - if not wholly - excluded from a databook speed statistic.
Tsunade herself has shown impressive Shunshin range, reaching Pain's location in the centre of Konoha's ruins in mere moments.
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despite being exhausted to the point of near-death.
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I must state, however, that speed alone is not the only factor that may be important during a combat situation. Do not get me wrong, it is undeniably important in most situations, but there are other factors that can come into play during close-combat. Many of these other factors are more or less tantamount to Tsunade's fighting style, and can even give her the edge she needs to fight on par with - if not best - faster opponents.
Let's take a look at her strenght.
Tsunade indisputably has some of the best strength feats in the entire manga, matched only by few. A single Tsūtenkyaku to the ground can cause an earth-shattering quake, resulting in an enormous
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And even a strike from a single finger can rip the ground apart to create a sizeable fissure.
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Tsunade's most impressive strength feat, however, comes from her lifting of Gamabunta's several tonne tantō hundreds of metres into the air, and the speed and dexterity at which she manoeuvred it about.
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The enormous amount of upper body strength that would have been required to execute such a feat suggests that Tsunade's striking force may potentially be far more destructive than ever shown on-panel.
Orochimaru himself - a ninja who has fought alongside Tsunade for decades, making him somewhat of an expert regarding the full extent of her strength - tells Kabuto that a single blow from Tsunade can kill.
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Statement of Orochimaru, which in turn speaks volumes for Tsunade's strength. Even against highly defensive opponents, Tsunade's strength can potentially cause a great deal of blunt force trauma, which can lead to concussion and internal injury.
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(we know that Orochimaru was lucky not to get killed thanks to his jutsu ability of changing bodies, but after his second body, if he would've received a second blow, he would've been dead, that's why he retired from the battle.
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Now before you jump in and ask "what is the use of high strength when she won't have the speed to hit anybody, especially Itachi?", hear me out first.
Less strength-focused fighters, such as Rock Lee in base mode, need to land full hits if they wish to deal any significant form of damage to their opponents. Partial hits would essentially have little-to-no effect upon foes, and only serve to waste precious energy and chakra. Thus, their speed and accuracy is crucial to their fighting styles. Close-quarters combatants like Lee need the speed to be able to get close enough to opponents and position themselves appropriately to allow themselves the opportunity to land full and proper hits.
Tsunade with her superhuman strength, on the other hand, need not follow this rule. She does not need to get so close to an opponent, or attack so fast and accurately, to maximise her chances of landing a full hit. All she needs is enough speed to get herself in a position to land a partial hit. Why? Because even a partial hit from her can deal incredible amounts of damage. Glancing blows and the like can all cause grievous harm thanks to her strength; if a single finger from Tsunade can split the ground apart, I shudder to think of how much damage she could inflict by merely grazing an opponent. Furthermore, the sheer force of a partial hit can easily throw an enemy off balance, leaving them open to a followup attack - one that will most likely result in a full hit.
It is strongly implied that much of Tsunade's strength stems from the use of chakra; that is, by concentrating maximum amounts of it in specific areas of her body.
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So, these three examples of how taijutsu combat skills combined with battle experience can give one ninja the advantage over the other one. Without a doubt, Tsunade's taijutsu skill is representative of her ability to perceive openings, take advantage of them, and use the right taijutsu manoeuvres to match the situation as we've seen throughout the given examples.
Now some, will bring-up the fact that Itachi can read her movements through sharingan. Nothing more correct than that. Still, as we've seen, even though sharingan reads the movements, the body it's not necessarily responding, as we've seen Sasuke being unable to keep up with Lee. You'll say that Lee did that with speed.
Nothing more correct than that either.
But what's different in Tsunade's ways and the others, is the fact that she can use her surroundings as well, and that, Itachi cannot read. He won't guess how she'll use the surroundings in her favour, just the movements she'll do.
Another component that Tsunade uses in her taijutsu, is, as we all know, her evasive skills.
When I say evasion here, I am not referring necessarily to the ability to react quickly to an attack (though it was shown that she can do that as well). I am referring to the ability to anticipate an attack and react accordingly. Many do not know the difference.
The former requires high speed and reaction time. As we've seen throughout the manga, Tsunade has those as well.
Now regarding her speed, let me clear out that as well.
Why most of people call her slow is because:
1. Madara's statement: She's stronger than the Raikage, but slower. Slower than the Raikage doesn't make her the slowest. Please be careful at the comparison terms. I would advise you to look further into those rules.
Plus, it's a one piece comparison, not mass comparison. Madara didn't called her slower than the entire Shinobi World, he called her slower than one character, Raikage.
2: Her summon, Katsuyu. If Katsuyu is a slug, and slugs are known to be slow, that doesn't make Tsunade slow. Don't misinterpret Tsunade's Summon with Tsunade's character.
3: Just because she chooses to take the attacks, it doesn't make her slow. Her intention is clear: she is the one who wants to take that attack, being self-aware of her tanking ability.
Most of you don't even know what's Tsunade's primary ability. Because you hate Sakura, didn't even looked into Tsunade's feats, as Tsunade's learning Sakura what she uses in battle.
Tsunade's primary skill is evasive skills:
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im sure mindraping him wouldnt count as physical harm so yes they can. and he got tired/hurt in the movie. so hes not invincible either. omnipotents can erase him from existence. bils hasnt shown resistence to transmutation, BFR or mindrape.
lol obvious hyperbole. so an omnipotent cant simply take apart bils atoms one by one? there is nothing proving he is invulnerable when the most powerful attack he took is barely star level.
and what fresh bullshit is this? since when have they shown exceptional willpower and resistance to mindrape? babidi is a fodder and he enslaved dabura. you missed that. imagine a mindrape user who has the power to back it up. that is scary. if hes physically unhurtable then obviously you go beyond the physical. you fight him on the astral plane or warp time and dimensional barriers. since BFR never actually did any damage. bils is going from one place, to another place. it just so happens BFR means you cant come back.
and its obvious hyperbole because only an omnipotent is truly unhurtable. as long as that character isnt all powerful in all areas he will be hurt eventually. juggernaut is an example of that. it doesnt state anywhere yata mirror CANT stop a direct galaxy buster head on. but can it? no because its greatest feat is stopping some building level explosive paper bombs from sasuke. anyone whos still sane would call bullshit if you claimed yata mirror is invulnerable to attacks transcending time and spac
wrong. hes mid level. and no hes not overpowered. actually extremely weak compared to real top tiers. omnipotents can do anything on a multiversal level. no one can beat them. theyd just say to bils "you dont exist" and he will not exist. demonbane exists in EVERY timeline meaning hes impossible to permanently kill
ololol ill beleive it when i see it mate. even in original z they never got past star level. so if hes universe level then hes millions of times stronger than vegetto
god is a title in dbz. in other animes they are gods because they are gods. not because idiots call them that. arceus, kami tenchi, one above all, all of them created their respective universes and are the supreme beings in that universe as a result. bils is only the person who keeps the balance by destroying planets every now and then. galactus has the same role only he has erased entire galaxies BY ACCIDENT
thats why its there. showing people's stupidity
In my opinion Kishi is a genius but it's your opinion if you think he's average. He's took the most influence from the greatest Anime of all time (DBZ) and he combined ninjas with japanese mythology to create a great balance of structure between the characters and story.
no he didnt. his story is riddled with plot holes, forgotten characters, derailed main characters (sakura), and poor fight scenes.
which makes no sense and is grossly out of character. he already believed HE AND GOKU were legendary ssjs. the whole point of cyborg arc was that there could be more than one LSSJ. broly should just be yet another one to him
no he didnt. watch japanese version before thinking you know something about db
gotenks hit hirudegarn when he was tangible, who was completely unhurt and subconciously evolved into a stronger form. hirudegarn seemed to tank ki blasts and turn into mist to avoid punches. gotenks watched gohan fight it and did slightly better.
i doubt hirudegarn was thinking "gee this guys tough. i better somehow turn into a cocoon and become my strongest form". he was a mindless ancient demon fighting on reflex and instinct. no one forced him to do anything. he would have transformed whether gotenks appeared or not. hirudegarn seemed to only get hit by gotenks at all because he tripped and fell on a skyscraper.
no you arent.
1. you dont know how much stronger vegetto is with rivalry boost than without
2. elder kaioshin mentioned rivalry boost as an afterthought and cited vegeta and goku's actual strengths as the reason why vegetto was so monstrous therefore gohan and goku would be even more so
3. even if the rivalry boost was gigantic you have no proof it would close the absolutely massive gap in gohan and vegeta's abilities. vegeta did jack to fat boo. gohan annhilated super boo
yes he does. he acted afraid when cell said hed destroy earth and cried in fear when freeza was about to finish him off
there is no "true" legendary ssj mostly because broly's movie is just a what if made for fun and never took place in the main timeline. are you suggesting goku fulfilled nothing when he fought freeza and only achieved "fake" LSSJ? that screws up the entire point of that arc and makes it worthless
so? vegeta felt cell's power as being above his own and attacked him anyway. vegeta does not behave like that
not even that. ive experienced animes that perform storytelling character development and intricate art to a masterful level.death note, one piece, part 1 naruto. i prefer that over sweaty monkeys screaming and hitting each other
he could. he just couldnt hit him in time. gotenks was hitting him. even ssj2 vegeta was hitting him. it just wasnt doing any damage. only the sword and the asspull dragon fist attack hurt him
hirudegarn fell on a skyscraper and gotenks took the opportunity to blast him. it didnt do jack so it was pointless and he still just punched gotenks out of fusion
neitehr did anything to hurt hirudegarn and both got oneshotted by its second form with the same amount of ease. gohan was still awake and talkiing however. gotenks was ended completely
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE ENGLISH DUB. its horrible, does not have accurately translated dialogue and is all around a disgrace to anime
how absurd. if you want the official material with all the correct dialogue, (since facts and correct dialogue is what you should be relying on in debates, not which dub sounds better) but i fail to see how it sounds better at all. have you ever seen a movie? you can usually tell whats good acting and whats bad. dbz's dub was bad. the actors didnt like it. the director didnt like it. everyone was excited at the chance to redo it in kai and keep in the original scripts and music
japanese is the only language you should be watching it in. the dubs are pale imitations and mockeries of the original's hard work. they tried to change shit around for no reason and add in stupid nu metal to the battle scenes instead of letting the atmospehre and sound effects work their magic. the dub producers dont get what cinematic magic even is
yeah right because true fans would rag on the original version and insult it even though those actors were award winning legends, handpicked by akira toriyama and is the actual version. your insulting every other fan out there. the dub is a mere mockery in comparison. would you watch the dark knight in french because you are annoyed by bale's batman voice? sure but it wouldnt be the original masterpiece product. them sounding "gay" is your opinion. and when i listen to gohans english voice or freeza's or cold's or piccolo's i think the same exact thing. since when is a 11 year old supopsed to sound like he smoked a cigerrette every single day? since when is cold a homosexual english teadrinking posh idiot? since when is recoome mentally retarded? since when is king kai a buffoon that talks like goku with his mouth full? this ****in dub was horrible. the worst thing about klai is they kept some elements of that but cold did actually sound like a badass in kai as did freeza. finally anyway.
elder kaioshin said the rivalry boost as a mere afterthought. its because 2 of the three most powerful heroes in the universe fused that vegetto is so strong. the third person elder kai mentioned was gohan and fully expected the gohan/goku fusion to defeat buutenks no difficulty. the rivlary really wasnt that important and only brought up when elder kaioshin berated the younger one for being surprised that vegeto is that strong. potara and the fact two of the strongest beings in existence = vegettos strength. the fact they were rivals really wasnt important. kaio offhandedly mentioned it then forgot all about it.
vegeta cried in fear vs freeza. the narrator commented this was the first time hed ever done so
wrong. he clearly feared for his life when cell unleashed a genkidama sized wave to destroy earth, and he clearly feared for his life vs freeza. and that is called delusional arrogance, not fearlessness.
which shows how stupid he is. he failed to learn from his mistakes and quit thinking hes invincible. he runs in, delusional and arrogant, and gets destroyed every time
no one even damaged him so how was he forced?
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Bills can't be harmed in any way so any character get's wrecked in front of him. DBZ characters haven't shown what there truly capable off, and by understanding logic, PL, and PS you can understand what DBZ true power is. False again, Raditz is faster than light and we seen DBZ characters destroy Galaxies in the Anime. False again, DBZ moved faster than light at the early stages of Z. Of course Gogeta can breath in space, if Goku can and he can also because he's a part of Gogeta. Seriously, if you experienced Bills full power in the Anime, that's what you call True power. Again, Bills power is in another dimension. You will never understand what that means. Garlic Jr. will use the Dead Zone before he could do that. Sorry but Candy Vegito has no equal in speed in the Anime world. You're missing the point though, Janemba is not just a Demon as he's also a Wizard too. How can anyone deal with a Universal Reality Warping Demon/Wizard!!? No, i'm just stating the truth unlike the bullish!t you and the rest state. It really is laughable. Bills is a multi universe buster and he also has no equal in power and speed. Again, Bills is invulnerable so you can't do nothing to a powerful god of his caliber. You really underrate Janemba because he got beat by Super Gogeta, but then again you have no idea how powerful Gogeta is and other DBZ characters. My logic is absolutely right, you guys are just so clueless. You guys need a slap to be quite honest. He didn't even get harmed by his Master, he just put him to sleep. You just being a 2 year old and i'm just speaking the truth and i've everyone wrong including you. Bills only has one limitation and that's stamina. You guys are just too butthurt and get upset when you can't handle the truth.
Hey weak troll, false again. Bills is a multi Universe buster at best and his strongest technique can destroy a Universe in one shot. Janemba is a high tier Universal Reality Warper. He effected the entire DBZ verse on a Universal Scale. False, people that have the title as God are people like Kami and the elders were as Bills and his Master are from a RACE called "God" Carry on being a weak troll like the rest you clueless person.
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DBZ - Great Saiyaman/ World Tournament Saga - Episode 219 - Energy Drain
A entire Galaxy
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The Galaxy getting erased from existence instantly
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The Galaxy is almost gone (couldn't capture the screen shot with the Galaxy completely gone because the frame rate was to fast)
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The Supreme Kai said in the Funimation Dub "Entire Galaxies were erased from existence"
I know that the Funimation Dub isn't the original Dub because the Japanese version is the original, but you can't disagree with the Funimation Dub then when you can clearly see a Galaxy getting erased from existence.
The Supreme Kai stated that Majin Buu is the one that can destroy entire Galaxies and you can't disagree when you can clearly see a Galaxy getting destroyed.
Majin Buu is clearly a Multi-Galaxy buster because that Galaxy got destroyed instantly.
Also this is another reason why you shouldn't compare Naruto to DBZ because the being (Majin Buu) would erase the entire Narutoverse with just a breath. Goku>Majin Buu
Wrong. Birusu, Uisu, Buuhan, and Janemba are Universe level busters. Goku even stated that Janemba could bust a Universe.
Uisu can create Universes from scratch! What you are talking about!? lol Read the goddamn Chozenshuu!!
Birusu and Uisu are so powerful that there power is in another DIMENSION altogether!
Any of the Universe level busters would decimate the entire Gurren Lagann verse with a breath
Solar System busters? I suggest you read the the thread and look at the screen shots
Wrong. By logic, PL, and PS they are Universe busters.
Goku stated that Janemba is capable of destroying the entire Universe. There are Twelve Universes in DBZ as stated by Birusu.
Majin Buu is Multi-Galaxy level, so how can Birusu and Buuhan be Multi Galaxy busters when Buuhan is way stronger than the normal Majin Buu and Birusu is the strongest Anime character? They are obvious Universe busters at best!
Buuhan was capable of destroying the Universe just by screaming, he caused a collapse between dimensions and if Vegito didn't stop him the Universe would of been destroyed.
Birusu and Uisu are different than GT characters, they come from a race called "God" No characters power from GT is held in another dimension.
Read the goddamn Chozenshuu then you'll see why Uisu is a Universe creator. Janemba is a Universal High tier Reality Warper and he would solo anyone in Gurren Lagann.
I've seen Gurren Lagann but there power is no were near the true power of DBZ. It's beyond everyones imagination.