FoolzBeWeary
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The only goal that I agree on that shaped him was itach death. Other then that no other goal he complete shaped him. In fact they reversed his progress.
Sasuke is a better character than Naruto
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Unless that's not your initial post, tell me how i'm wrong?
FoolzBeWeary
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Not true again.
Killing Danzo prevented a corrupt man from continuing with his ridiculous acts.
Speaking with the Hokages allowed Sasuke to fully understand Itachi's actions and learn about the history of how Shinobi villages came to be. He's seen that there is problem which has not been dealt with and it leads to lives being destroyed (Itachi).
He wants to put an end to corruption and destroy the corruption that has plagued the Shinobi world.
It didn't reverse anything, it showed that Sasuke is now thinking of the bigger picture, not just himself.
FoolzBeWeary
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Ok so your say that sasuke after complete his goal that his started the manga with. Then gave into his angry with danzo then did a complete 180 to being good after talking to the hokage is not reversing his progress. 3/4 of the manga to get his act straight when it only took naruto 1/4 to 2/4 of it. Sorry but that's piss poor character development and progression on sasuke.
Sasuke would've ended the war earlier if they listened to him and killed Obito. Madara would've never revived, Kagaya would lack a body, IT would've never been used, Hashirama wouldn't got abused, Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't died/have these power ups, etc.
As character Sasuke is more entertaining than Naruto; Naruto is pretty linear. Although I do agree with Naruto's view of forgiveness.
As character Sasuke is more entertaining than Naruto; Naruto is pretty linear. Although I do agree with Naruto's view of forgiveness.
Hebi Sasuke
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Sasuke has many layers and is more human like than Naruto...Naruto's character is pure fiction.
Incorrect again.
Sasuke completes his goals, then sets new ones and goes out to complete them.
Again, he's not 'good', he's "Sasuke". He's fighting for what he believes is right.
Reversing his progress? What are you talking about?
Sasuke speaking to the Hokages was to gain an understanding on why Itachi felt so strongly for the village. He made it very clear to the Hokages and Itachi that he would still destroy the village if the answers that he sought were not sufficient reasons as to why the village was so important.
It didn't take him 3/4 of the Manga to get his act straight. He's not Naruto.
You see it as "Now he's helping the good guys, about time". Had he still been with the goal of destroying the village you would still call his development poor because he's not helping the good guys.
His development as a character has been fantastic so far.
Development is not about being good or bad.
How does Sasuke having many layers = he's any more human-like than Naruto?
Unless you believe that it's literally impossible for a person to be similar to Naruto in real life, then you have absolutely no grounds for claiming the bolded.
FoolzBeWeary
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Not incorrect. I mean by going from destroying the village to saving it. Naruto has been on the same path from the start. He switches his opinion way to much to call it character development . I would have preferred sasuke to stay evil. Changing your mind after every goal you complete is not character development. It shows that they don't have a solid set of characteristics. That the author is just changing him just to cut loose ties.
Yes it is incorrect.
Sasuke only switched his opinion ONCE in this Manga and that's too much? Really?
He's not changing his mind after completing his goals, he's setting new ones. That's what you do after you complete your original ones. You don't just sit pat and do nothing.
He's always stated that the he wants to kill his brother and did it.
He stated that he wanted to kill Danzo and did it.
He stated that he wanted to destroy the village and was on his way to do it before his meeting with Itachi and the Kages made him look at things at a different perspective.
Of course Naruto has been on the same path from the start, he's the MC.
FoolzBeWeary
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He changed it twice once after meeting up with itach and the other one is after talking to the hogakes. So out of the three goal that he did only two was a fundamental character development and that is itach and the hokages. Killing danzo had nothing to gain from it. Then his brother changed his mind then the hokage changed his mind. None of his goals but two at the most helped him develop into who he's is. That is a really crappy character development. He is as wishy-washy as Krillen.
No. He changed his mind once.
He didn't change his mind after talking with Itachi. He told Itachi he would still destroy the village. He told the Kages that he would destroy the village.
All three were fundamental character development and each gave a further element to his character.
Also, he still has goals that he has still set for himself that he has not completed; such as becoming Hokage, Being the one to change the system and rebuilding his clan.
There's nothing wishy-washy about him. He's just not boring and predictable enough for you to figure him out and that upstes you because you want him to be like Naruto.
Well, he's not. He's far more diverse and complex.
And only screwed up children and pansies forgive someone after accomplished abomination of your closest friends and your own parents. It takes a certain level of forgiveness to actually forgive someone and have strength while doing it.
If I had a gf and she cheated on me, I could easily forgive her and move one.
If I live a happy life as a child and all of a sudden someone walks into my house in the middle of the night with a shot gun and wrecks havoc and kills everyone in my house but me, you really expect me to forgive someone like that? I don't think it's the fact that I am weak willed. Ii just think it's the fact that you are screwed in the head with twisted optimistic morals.
If I had a gf and she cheated on me, I could easily forgive her and move one.
If I live a happy life as a child and all of a sudden someone walks into my house in the middle of the night with a shot gun and wrecks havoc and kills everyone in my house but me, you really expect me to forgive someone like that? I don't think it's the fact that I am weak willed. Ii just think it's the fact that you are screwed in the head with twisted optimistic morals.
FoolzBeWeary
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If his mind wasn't changed he wouldn't have seen the hokage in the first place so yes his mind was changed. Then after talking to the hokages now he wants to become hokage change number two. It's wishy washy and he is not complex like you said kill and destroy are the fundamental ideas of his till now. Very easy to foresee his actions.
Stormblast
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Maybe on opposite day, kek. Sasuke's character is marred by indecision, dissimulation, mendacity, and false virtue. He is painted as nothing but a back up to Itachi with no moral pretenses to stand on. He has no logical self-growth and is completely reliant on others around him to shape not only the path he chooses, but the very person he is. He has the mental capacity of a child with tantrums to match and no actual definition or relevance besides what Kishimoto has shoehorned him into on the coattails of others.
It is unsurprising the Sasuke defenders are mental midgets. These characters are a literal dime a dozen. He's a poor man's Lelouch, only inconsistent, shallow, and not well done. Hate the truth all you want, but it doesn't change the facts presented, even in your doltish ways.
It is unsurprising the Sasuke defenders are mental midgets. These characters are a literal dime a dozen. He's a poor man's Lelouch, only inconsistent, shallow, and not well done. Hate the truth all you want, but it doesn't change the facts presented, even in your doltish ways.
