Nagato vs EMS Sasuke
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So, instead of absorbing it, she decided to take a punch. Lmao.
How it looks is irrelevant and Madara cuts Mountains, he doesn't blow up islands. Lmao, the hell did that come from? As I said above, unless you can show me this unworldly gap between any of Sasuke and Madara's Susanoo with a fair comparison, then I'll concede. Until then, I have no reason to believe that Sasuke's PS is so much weaker than Madara's that he can't replicate those feats on a moderately weaker scale at the very most. This belief of mine has only increased since it was revealed size isn't everything, as Rikudo Sasuke's PS rapes Madara despite being smaller than it.
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Irrelevant. You can think whatever you want to think-doesn't change the fact that this is the point of the vs section. Practically every thread is a hypothetical matchup that never occurred in canon.(browse through the section) If you don't like it then bother commenting. Quite simple
How strong would you estimate Sasuke's PS to be though? Since EMS Madara's v4 tanked a tailed beast ball by the full kyuubi. Are you implying Sasuke could do something similar?(since defence/offence is directly related to the Susanoo versions)
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Senjutsu Susanoo protected Sasuke from a slam from Juubito that created this deep ass crater.
And it was as wide as the space between two Shinju roots.
Which span across many Mountains.
That's a better attack than Nagato's CST. Unless you are telling me this Susanoo is more durable than Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo. Nagato's attacks aren't doing shit.
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And it was as wide as the space between two Shinju roots.
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Which span across many Mountains.
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That's a better attack than Nagato's CST. Unless you are telling me this Susanoo is more durable than Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo. Nagato's attacks aren't doing shit.
I don't know how much damage he'd take for sure, but I know for a fact that 1 Bijuu Dama isn't eradicating Perfect Susanoo. I believe it'd take very very little damage if no damage at all.
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Thats not my question though. The scans you always link of EMS Sasuke's "PS" has no wings, no need to link them I know what the images look like. So just like you said before, Sasuke got Yin power from So6P which in turn would make his Susanoo stronger since its composed of Yin energies. My question is that how can you without a doubt prove that EMS Sasuke's PS would have power compared to his Rinnegan PS? I ask you this because you are taking Rinnegan PS feats and it seems like you are giving them to EMS Sasuke, on a watered down level. EMS Sasuke's "PS" was only with Kurama, it literally has no feats whatsoever yet you are speculating that from what we seen from Rinnegan PS, that EMS PS would possibly do similar things, which I figure is all speculation, holds no weight, and is not even remotely close to Rinnegan PS powers. I say not remotely close because SM Madara destroyed Naruto and EMS Sasuke neg difficulty. We know he received a massive power boost when he got his right Rinnegan, then an unfathomable power boost when he absorbed the Juubi, yet Sasuke and Naruto could fight on par with him after their power-ups. Thats why I believe there is a vast gap of power between EMS Sasuke and Rinnegan Sasuke so you can't compare their powers (Susanoo) at all.
Lmao,even when amped with senjutsu and bm shroud sasuke couldnt produce a single shockwave.
Even if he could make shockwaves it wont make a difference,hashirama evaded it by jumping,nagato can fly well above the ground,removing the problem of the shockwaves,or he can just use bt to pull sasuke out of the susanoo,or give sasuke an ST to the face while he is inside susanoo.
To the retards who think he needs to get through susanoo to hit sasuke with an ST,he dosent,he makes use of gravitational forces to push and pull,and gravity cant be blocked by an obstacle.
If he wants to end it at anytime,a CT will finish it,and it will make the one a weakened deva did look like child's play.
This is assuming this isnt rikudo sasuke.
Even if he could make shockwaves it wont make a difference,hashirama evaded it by jumping,nagato can fly well above the ground,removing the problem of the shockwaves,or he can just use bt to pull sasuke out of the susanoo,or give sasuke an ST to the face while he is inside susanoo.
To the retards who think he needs to get through susanoo to hit sasuke with an ST,he dosent,he makes use of gravitational forces to push and pull,and gravity cant be blocked by an obstacle.
If he wants to end it at anytime,a CT will finish it,and it will make the one a weakened deva did look like child's play.
This is assuming this isnt rikudo sasuke.
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Because its armored onto Kurama. Madara has similar wing like structures on his back, yet when armored on to Kurama, they are
Why would I prove something I never claimed?
No, I'm giving him Madara's feats, on a watered down level. Are you even reading before replying?
Doesn't mean he can't use it standalone.
Nope, once again. Read before replying.
Never said it would.
Pretty much your whole post is saying that I can't compare Rikudo PS to EMS PS, when I never once did that. I suggest you read and then reply again.
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The scan I posted is up close. The scan you posted isn't. The branch is farther in the background meaning it'll appear smaller. Don't bother posting any more scans, the one I posted is the most accurate display of size you'll ever see between the two.
@bold: Based on what? The rest of his Susanoo have been on Madara's level. Why is PS so special?
There is no reason it can't generate a shockwave. No reason at all, especially when a much weaker Susanoo did so. Does it have to cut multiple Mountains to kill Nagato? No. but that's beside the point.
Go ahead, show me. It better contain this massive gap that would justify your arguments, and it better be accurate representations of each Susanoo.
Lol, you say obviously yet the proof you supply isn't applicable. Madara being born with the strongest chakra they've ever seen, back then, doesn't mean that his is more powerful than Sasuke's. Good thing I agree that its more powerful. Powerful enough to justify a gap large enough to say Nagato wins? Lol, no. Kurama
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Sasuke's chakra to Madara's. The gap isn't large. Not to mention they are both reincarnations of Indra.His PS is weaker, but not weak enough that Nagato can beat it.
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What i mean his Sasuke v3 standing susanoo was portrayed on par with bsm naruto version 4 is stronger than version witch means it would be more powerful than the one he used against juubito. Unstabilized would be stronger that as its the final form of susanoo and perfect susanoo is superior to stabilized making it the strongest now if you add all that up its insanely power and Nagato is a sitting duck infront of any perfect susanoo know matter who's using it periode.
Susanoo has never been absorbed When naruto striked Nagato he had the preta orb over him yet Itachi's susanoo tore Nagato arms off whiles his preta orb was up also Sasuke used amaterasu on kaguya she absorbed it she absorbs everything Naruto even tryed fighting her in taijutsu yet this chapter susanoo thumped her back or she flew back yet she didnt absorb it this is why i belive susanoo cannot be absorbed there was plenty of times to do so.
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I don't need to reread your previous posts because Madara's PS is stronger and larger than Rinnegan Sasuke's PS. So even giving it Madara PS feats on a watered down level would still be comparing it to Rinnegan Sasuke PS.
"Doesn't mean he can't use it standalone" Again, more gas, nothing solid. This is merely speculation. You "think" Sasuke can use it alone. Sasuke's Susanoo never grew legs until Naruto gave him Kurama's chakra, which makes all techniques 3x stronger. What if he only grew its legs because of Kurama's chakra, since more chakra would aid in him manifesting its whole body (since its made of chakra)? What if his "PS" at the time only seemed strong because it was 3x stronger with Kurama's chakra plus boosted by Juugo's senjutsu? What if Kurama's chakra boost is what helped him stabilize PS in the first place? Its too many ifs and maybes in my opinion to give his PS even watered down Madara PS feats so I don't see him "obliterating Nagato" any day.
I don't need to reread your previous posts because Madara's PS is stronger and larger than Rinnegan Sasuke's PS. So even giving it Madara PS feats on a watered down level would still be comparing it to Rinnegan Sasuke PS.
"Doesn't mean he can't use it standalone" Again, more gas, nothing solid. This is merely speculation. You "think" Sasuke can use it alone. Sasuke's Susanoo never grew legs until Naruto gave him Kurama's chakra, which makes all techniques 3x stronger. What if he only grew its legs because of Kurama's chakra, since more chakra would aid in him manifesting its whole body (since its made of chakra)? What if his "PS" at the time only seemed strong because it was 3x stronger with Kurama's chakra plus boosted by Juugo's senjutsu? What if Kurama's chakra boost is what helped him stabilize PS in the first place? Its too many ifs and maybes in my opinion to give his PS even watered down Madara PS feats so I don't see him "obliterating Nagato" any day.
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Kidgamer why do you even bother look at this child.
@Evani i wanna see your explanation to why all of Madara susanoo forms are superior to Sasuke im waiting.
even without Perfect susanoo Chibaku tensei is useless amaterasu to the orb then susanoo arrows gg
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Armoring Kurama onto Perfect Susanoo is proof that he has Perfect Susanoo. Since he has it, he can use it standalone like any other Susnaoo variants. There is no evidence that would lead me to believe PS is any different. None at all.
Bold is overall wrong.
-He got no chakra from Naruto when he formed PS, nor did he have the cloak from earlier.
-Kurama makes techniques stronger, it doesn't cause them to evolve and/or change shape. As Madara has shown us, forming legs on the Susanoo is an EMS trait. So with or without Naruto's chakra. Legs on a Susanoo is possible unless you want to tell me that Madara obtained his legs with an outside source to boost his chakra. Lmao. Saying he needs it to use PS is nothing but outright denying manga fact when you have to be able to use it first to armor it on to anything.
Not gonna bother continuing this discussion though if you think Madara's PS is stronger than Rikudo Sasuke's PS when feats clearly disagree. Everyone on this site who still believes that nonsense is merely denying feats that say otherwise.
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Except that he did have chakra from Naruto, the whole alliance still did.
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is when the alliance was wondering how they were going to escape Jubito's TBB while stuck inside his barrier, notice they have no kyuubi cloaks around them. After Yin Kurama gives Yang Kurama chakra, we then get
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. Everyone in the alliance now has a cloak again without Naruto touching them. Why? Well as Sakura mentioned the cloak never completely disappeared it just diminished in size to the point where it was no longer visible by the naked eye but the chakra was still there, which she noticed while healing them. Emphasis was not put on the cloak, for reason's I don't know why, could of been Kishi just didn't waste time drawing, hell I don't know but the point is Kurama's power was always there. its similar to how he infused Kakashi and he had
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. The power had not left the alliance until the god tree was cut down, as
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so up until that point, everyone still was using Kurama's power, even if just traces of it but even that would still have a dramatic effect on peoples techniques, as seen when Kakashi warped Gedo's Arm.