Nagato vs EMS Sasuke

[Haizaki]

Ribcage:
Sasuke

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Snapped a couple bones and hit Sasuke. An inferior version to the one that attacked Madara. Tsunade's punch is much stronger that Ay's chop( and probably stronger than Ay with Onoki's chop) and yet it could only crap the front without Madara being touched.

Madara
A superior version(Ay and Onoki) could do just this.

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Final version:

A super giant rasengan couldn't get past Madara's ribacage before his V3 could come out:

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Meanwhile, Danzo's fuuton could open a gap in Sasuke's Susanoo

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Unless we think Danzo's Futon is > Super Giant Ball Rasengan.


Madara has clearly shown to be superior with these versions. I have no reason to believe why they would be on the same level with PS.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Ribcage:
Sasuke

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Snapped a couple bones and hit Sasuke. An inferior version to the one that attacked Madara. Tsunade's punch is much stronger that Ay's chop( and probably stronger than Ay with Onoki's chop) and yet it could only crap the front without Madara being touched.

Madara
A superior version(Ay and Onoki) could do just this.

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Final version:

A super giant rasengan couldn't get past Madara's ribacage before his V3 could come out:

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Meanwhile, Danzo's fuuton could open a gap in Sasuke's Susanoo

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Unless we think Danzo's Futon is > Super Giant Ball Rasengan.


Madara has clearly shown to be superior with these versions. I have no reason to believe why they would be on the same level with PS.

Danzo's Fuuton has more piercing power than a Chou Odama Rasengan, and it didn't explode either.
And that was Pre EMS too, Sasuke post EMS would definitely have a more durable Susano'o.

 

[Haizaki]

Ok. I didn't take that into consideration at all. I'm wrong then.

Edit: But we still agree due to chakra, Madara's PS is above Sasuke's ?

 

[KidGamer65]

Ribcage:
Sasuke

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Snapped a couple bones and hit Sasuke. An inferior version to the one that attacked Madara. Tsunade's punch is much stronger that Ay's chop( and probably stronger than Ay with Onoki's chop) and yet it could only crap the front without Madara being touched.

I expected this. This clearly isn't a fair comparison. You took the thinnest Susanoo Sasuke has ever made and compared it against the thickest one Madara has ever made. (Ribcage wise)

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This susanoo is a more accurate comparison base.

This one especially.

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Not to mention Ay weakened it by dealing some damage via Liger Bomb.

Final version:

A super giant rasengan couldn't get past Madara's ribacage before his V3 could come out:

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Meanwhile, Danzo's fuuton could open a gap in Sasuke's Susanoo

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Unless we think Danzo's Futon is > Super Giant Ball Rasengan.

How in the world is this one even a comparison? Rasengan didn't hit V3 so you have nothing of Madara's to compare Sasuke's to. If you are basing this off the fact that Rasengan didn't destroy Ribcage, its once again, a flawed comparison, as Madara pushed the Rasengan away before it could even explode, meaning no damage was dealt to him. You can see his Ribcage shredding just from the impact of the Rasengan let alone its explosion.

Madara has clearly shown to be superior with these versions. I have no reason to believe why they would be on the same level with PS.

Your comparisons are flawed, not because of MS vs EMS, simply because they are flawed. I don't think that MS vs EMS is a good enough reason to discredit these.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except that he did have chakra from Naruto, the whole alliance still did.

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is when the alliance was wondering how they were going to escape Jubito's TBB while stuck inside his barrier, notice they have no kyuubi cloaks around them. After Yin Kurama gives Yang Kurama chakra, we then get

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. Everyone in the alliance now has a cloak again without Naruto touching them. Why? Well as Sakura mentioned the cloak never completely disappeared it just diminished in size to the point where it was no longer visible by the naked eye but the chakra was still there, which she noticed while healing them. Emphasis was not put on the cloak, for reason's I don't know why, could of been Kishi just didn't waste time drawing, hell I don't know but the point is Kurama's power was always there. its similar to how he infused Kakashi and he had

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How many times I'm I, or someone else going to explain this before everyone realizes that they are wrong? Diminished in size means its worthless. It doesn't power up their abilities, as shown when none of the alliance's jutsu were getting powered up after losing the Kurama Cloak. Sai was asking Naruto

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to power them up (Meaning they weren't powered up) and Naruto said he couldn't give them any. So no, it had no affect on anyone, Sasuke included.

The Kakashi example is moot since:

1) He got a direct handout from Kurama, which powered him up.

2) The fact he was powered up while the alliance wasn't powered up means that the handout from Kurama>Diminished Chakra cloak in amount and effects. So no, its not similar, its not the same.

The power had not left the alliance until the god tree was cut down, as

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so up until that point, everyone still was using Kurama's power, even if just traces of it but even that would still have a dramatic effect on peoples techniques, as seen when Kakashi warped Gedo's Arm

Wrong. Shikamaru said that they lost the cloak (As the pic shows) and that the tree was cut down. Everyone lost their cloaks after Naruto lost Kurama.

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Their cloak was still there, meaning the power was still there. Without the cloak, there is no power.


And Kakashi warped the Gedo with his own power, as he had nothing but a small, irrelevant as the manga shows, amount of Kurama's chakra leftover from the cloak.

 

[Haizaki]

Lol kidgamer I didn't compare the thinnest to the thickest. Just because it's darker in that scan doesn't mean I compared the thinnest to the thickest considering it was still the ribcage. Ribcage is still ribcage even though that was EMS making it flawed.
Also, the back was weakened with liger bomb. Not where Ay hits

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Doesn't matter. I was comparing EMS to MS so it's flawed already.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol kidgamer I didn't compare the thinnest to the thickest. Just because it's darker in that scan doesn't mean I compared the thinnest to the thickest considering it was still the ribcage. Ribcage is still ribcage even though that was EMS making it flawed.
Also, the back was weakened with liger bomb. Not where Ay hits

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Doesn't matter. I was comparing EMS to MS so it's flawed already.

Darker? How is color even relevant? You compared that Susanoo, the thinnest Sasuke has ever made to Madara's thick Ribcage. "Ribcage is Ribcage" isn't an argument of any sort. You should have used this.

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Not that one. Unless you are going to tell me they are both as durable as each other. And no, EMS vs MS isn't a reason. EMS Sasuke's Complete Susanoo is no different from MS Sasuke's besides weaponry.

 

[naruto7861]

EMS Sasuke wrecks

 

[Unorthodox]

Lmao @ Evani already got proved wrong tsk

@Kidgamer you cant really belive that giant rasengan can destroy a ribcage

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao @ Evani already got proved wrong tsk

@Kidgamer you cant really belive that giant rasengan can destroy a ribcage

Giant Rasengan wrecks a Ribcage considering Ay and Tsunade are capable of damaging it. Chou Oodama Rasengan>>Tsunade's punch. And considering that the impact from the Rasengan itself was damaging Susanoo, if it had exploded it'd be wrecked along with Madara, hence him pushing it away by upping to V2.

 

[Haizaki]

Lmao @ Evani already got proved wrong tsk

From the look of it, I may not be wrong yet.

Darker? How is color even relevant? You compared that Susanoo, the thinnest Sasuke has ever made to Madara's thick Ribcage. "Ribcage is Ribcage" isn't an argument of any sort. You should have used this.

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Wait are you saying the ribcage in that scan has more armor?

Not that one. Unless you are going to tell me they are both as durable as each other. And no, EMS vs MS isn't a reason. EMS Sasuke's Complete Susanoo is no different from MS Sasuke's besides weaponry.

Thought as much. There isn't any difference in the armor of V3. Didn't want to look stupid arguing it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Wait are you saying the ribcage in that scan has more armor?

I'm going to have to clear up this armor misconception you have.

Susanoo itself isn't armor. Its basically an avatar made out of chakra. More chakra=Bigger Susanoo=More durability. Just how Choji gets more durable when he increases his size since not only his size grows, his bones, muscle, and fat all grow with him. Susanoo is the same but with chakra. Susanoo doesn't wear armor until after its final stage.

You can see in the following scans, that instead of physically changing like Susanoo does when it goes from Ribcage to Skeletal to Complete. Armor appears on it and covers it.

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Perfect Susanoo isn't a level of Susanoo so to speak, its just an added armor that gets stablized. When Madara's Susanoo was vanishing, the armor vanished and you could see his complete Susanoo under it.

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That Ribcage is bigger, and it looks thicker than the one Sasuke used at the Kage Summit, so its more durable. Thus you can't use the latter Susanoo to compare to the thicker Susanoo Madara used, you use the thicker one Sasuke used, which would be this one.

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[Haizaki]

I'm going to have to clear up this armor misconception you have.

Susanoo itself isn't armor. Its basically an avatar made out of chakra. More chakra=Bigger Susanoo=More durability. Just how Choji gets more durable when he increases his size since not only his size grows, his bones, muscle, and fat all grow with him. Susanoo is the same but with chakra. Susanoo doesn't wear armor until after its final stage.

You can see in the following scans, that instead of physically changing like Susanoo does when it goes from Ribcage to Skeletal to Complete. Armor appears on it and covers it.

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Perfect Susanoo isn't a level of Susanoo so to speak, its just an added armor that gets stablized. When Madara's Susanoo was vanishing, the armor vanished and you could see his complete Susanoo under it.

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That Ribcage is bigger, and it looks thicker than the one Sasuke used at the Kage Summit, so its more durable. Thus you can't use the latter Susanoo to compare to the thicker Susanoo Madara used, you use the thicker one Sasuke used, which would be this one.

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Yeah I see it. You're right.

 

[ARGUS]

Nagato wins this high diff,
based on feats

 

[ARGUS]

Bigger Susanoo=More durability.

Werent you disagreeing with me on this fact???
afterall sasukes winged PS is an exception, seeing how its more durable than madaras despite beeing smaller

 

[KidGamer65]

Werent you disagreeing with me on this fact???
afterall sasukes winged PS is an exception, seeing how its more durable than madaras despite beeing smaller

When comparing different users size is irrelevant since chakra also factors in, which is why Sasuke's Susanoo powered by Rikudo's chakra is stronger than Madara's Susanoo. Sasuke's Susanoo isn't an exception, there are just two ways to this thing. Powered by far superior chakra means that his Susanoo will be far superior. When only talking about one user, chakra isn't a factor for obvious reasons.

We are only talking about one user here. So chakra isn't a factor, leaving size the only factor.

 

[Haizaki]

Werent you disagreeing with me on this fact???
afterall sasukes winged PS is an exception, seeing how its more durable than madaras despite beeing smaller

I think what Kidgamer means is the chakra. Rinnegan Sasuke's chakra is stronger than EMS Madara's and considering susanoo is an avatar made out of the user's chakra , I think it does make sense. That is, Madara may use more chakra to form his PS but his chakra is not as strong as Sasuke's chakra.

At the same time, it can be confusing considering Madara obviously uses more chakra to form his PS if it's bigger so if it's a more chakra concept and not how strong the chakra is, then it should be the other way around because Madara uses more chakra to obviously make his own bigger.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke wins this everytime. Ps or not Nagato would have a problem with Sasuke summonings if he thinks he can use summonings to counter summonings Sasuke one shots his summoings via amaterasu. Susanoo hasn't been shown to absorbed by Kaguya nor Nagato when his arms where cut off by Itachi's. Also Once manda and Oda are on Nagato's ass without his summonings he gets overwhelmed. Sasuke can also spam Amaterasu/Enton which means Kirin is going to happen here and once it comes out GG Nagato.

 

[ARGUS]

my bad, i thought KG was only talking about the AMOUNT of Chakra,
not the TYPE and QUALITY of chakra being put in,, thats all