It's simple; ranks. Smoker is out of his league. Stronger Haki, reflexes on par with Vergo, faster speed and is a Vice Admiral. Only Doflamingos top subordinates and Sabo have been beating Vice Admirals.
and dont give me bullcrap arguments like Smoker and Luffy on the same level so smoker>>>Zoro because luffy stronger :|..nope I dont wanna hear that Zoro and Luffy are not that much far apart in power and Smoker main weapon is a kairoseki weapon and Zoro doesnt have a Devil fruit so what is that gonna do make him weak?
Nope but it gives him a weapon to face him with. And though it won't have the same effect on him as DF users, his Jitte is still made of sea stone, a very strong material that Zoro won't be slicing through.
Are you implying Zoro could have beaten one of them...? There's no shame in losing to Doflamingo or Vergo, they're very strong characters. I have no doubt Zoro would not get as far VS Vergo as Smoker did with him, and let's not forget he was still injured VS Mingo though he still would have lost.
Smoker is mid tier VA level, IMO Zoro is high tier VA level. He's able to clash with admirals and admiral level fighters without getting fodderized (fujitora) and we've seen what happened when smoker tried against an admiral level fighter such as doflamingo. IMO smoker is slightly stronger than sanji but slightly weaker than zoro
What? Scans of Pica panting please Lol. Also, Zoro saying that "you think you can take the captains head...." etc. Isn't really a good argument for his defence considering that Zoro himself can't take Luffy's head so Pica's level doesn't matter wether its equal to or weaker than Zoro's level, he still can't take Luffy's head.
also zoro saying "you think you can take the captains head...." etc is a good argument because he's telling pica that since he no match for him(zoro) theres no way he would beat the captain(luffy)
Point taken. Still, Pica dodging through stones is his ability and it shouldn't take any points from him.
not taking any points away from pica I'm adding points to zoro because pica had the location advantage.
Bro...Look at the size of that thing Lol
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Law cut the whole damn winter side of Punk Hazard. Pica isn't the size of all that. Nowhere near. Pica is barely the same size as the palace. Thats the whole damn Punk Hazard.
the whole punkharazd? half of it is fire and the other half is ice. it's hard to tell the size of the mountain compared to pica because we only see the mountain and nothing else surrounding it.
look at pica's hand. look at how tiny the houses are on his hand.
Are you implying Zoro could have beaten one of them...? There's no shame in losing to Doflamingo or Vergo, they're very strong characters. I have no doubt Zoro would not get as far VS Vergo as Smoker did with him, and let's not forget he was still injured VS Mingo though he still would have lost.
zoro can definitely beat vergo, he is fodderizing pica and i hardly doubt vergo is much stronger than pica. zoro already clashed with fujitora who is possibly stronger than doflamingo and did not get fodderized, while smoker got owned with one shot. but i do agree he was injured so i'll giv him that.
Zoro hasnt lost a 1v1 fight since Mihawk beat him.....and over the timeskip he has been training with the worlds strongest swordmans so I dont get how Smoker>>Zoro...and dont give me bullcrap arguments like Smoker and Luffy on the same level so smoker>>>Zoro because luffy stronger :|..nope I dont wanna hear that Zoro and Luffy are not that much far apart in power and Smoker main weapon is a kairoseki weapon and Zoro doesnt have a Devil fruit so what is that gonna do make him weak? Lol......Im not fanboying Zoro or anything just curious why people think Smoker beats him.U_U.
also zoro saying "you think you can take the captains head...." etc is a good argument because he's telling pica that since he no match for him(zoro) theres no way he would beat the captain(luffy)
Yes, but that makes no difference. Pica hasn't gone all out yet and even when he does go all out he stll wont be able to take Luffy's head because Zoro himself knows that in order to be able to beat Luffy you can't be equal to or weaker than Zoro. Even before they started fighting Zoro stated that Pica wont be able to take Luffy's head at that level. Once the fight gets serious Pica will give Zoro atleast high-diff, Zoro thinks Pica is weaker then he actually is but even after he goes all out he still wont be able to take Luffy's head. Zoro knows Luffy is more then a tiny bit above him. The only enemy on the island who can take Luffy's head is Doflamingo.
DD is significantly above Pica. The gap between Luffy and Zoro isn't too big but it isn't small either. Big enough for everyone (even in OP) to know which one is the stronger one.
the whole punkharazd? half of it is fire and the other half is ice. it's hard to tell the size of the mountain compared to pica because we only see the mountain and nothing else surrounding it.
look at pica's hand. look at how tiny the houses are on his hand.
Look at the size of those houses compared to Pica's arm. They're still relatively big compared to what they would look like if they were in PH. You can't compare Pica's size to PH, he gets towered on. Zoro's feat was merely town level. Taking into account Pica's size (smaller than mountains) and the part that Zoro cut (he didn't completely cut the titan)
zoro can definitely beat vergo, he is fodderizing pica and i hardly doubt vergo is much stronger than pica. zoro already clashed with fujitora who is possibly stronger than doflamingo and did not get fodderized, while smoker got owned with one shot. but i do agree he was injured so i'll giv him that.
1. Fujitora wasn't going all out on Zoro
2. Smoker took a beating from Vergo before DD showed up
3. DD would fodderize Zoro aswell
Zoro wont fodderize Pica though. Vergo was high stepping on Sanji, Smoker and Law until Law got his heart back and Vergo got cocky enough to believe he can take on a mountain level slash head on.
Zoro aint beating Vergo. Vergo even without the fullbody Haki was tanking signature attacks from Law and Sanji.
He was interested in fighting Luffy more than fighting him. It's for that reason Zoro told him with this level he had no hope in defeating his captain in the first place. He also said Pica wasn't on his level.
I highly doubt Pica would push Zoro that much because he said he would go all out to Doflamingo to stop any enemy, so it's likely the golem is his strongest attack when he go all-out, and he was trying his best to eliminate Zoro(that he didn't consider as a threat) as fast as possible to stop anyone(mostly Luffy) from reaching Doflamingo. There are signs that shows this fight is over. It's basically a replay from Hyouzou vs Zoro. The conclusion didn't happen the same chapter where Zoro showed superiority
1- Pica heavily panting
2- Zoro turning his back and dodging his attacks easily while speaking to his crewmates
3- Telling his crewmates that handling Pica is no problem
4- Cuting him with a massive air slash and telling him he isn't on his level
5- Pica's expression of fear, shock and greatly sweating
All that makes me believe Zoro won't be pushed that much, but what can i say. You never know in a shonen. I guess we'll wait til wednesday to be sure if it doesn't get off-paneled
Well the seat position is a position even Law didnt possess, a position Doflamingo was holding until Law becomes strong enough. Pica is the executive Viola was fearing the most. Besides like i have said Rebecca said it again the Pica is the top/highest executive in the family, automatically puting him even above Vergo. And even if you dont believe it, the top executive are at least around the same general level, not worlds apart. Otherwise, Vergo would have been his right hand man something he wasnt, so Zoro fodderizing that level that easily says a lot
No. He was saving the seat for Law.... who blatantly left the crew. Remember: 13 years ago when he was only 11. Obviously an 11 year old isn't doing jack shit to earn an Special Executive seat.
Vergo was his right hand man. He was entrusted to infiltrate the Marines. Do you realize how important this role is? Doflamingo's life depended on it. His entire criminal empire had to constantly be kept hidden. To do this, he had to fake shit. And ultimately, he needed Vergo in a position to where he could falsify reports.
Its obvious he doesn't have strong ties to the Celestial Dragons. He was completely pissed and used them as a last resort. Akainu is also in command. He's not going to just turn a blind eye to a pirate in his organization. Doflamingo had to trust that Vergo would handle the job, and not get caught doing so.
Otherwise, he has Akainu and Kaido both after his ass.
Pica's rank is also only given AFTER Vergo is dead. Its not like you never change ranks when someone dies. For all we know Pica was only recently upgraded. And ultimately, Vergo has far better feats than Pica. One Piece is always Quality over Quantity. Sure Pica can reshape an island... doesn't matter because we see just the strength from Zoro's swords can put him down.
Vergo > Pica.
This is also suggested by Law and Doflamingo.
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Law: You're going to lose your most valued subordinate.
Doflamingo's reaction: Keeps his usual grin, but goes silent.
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Doflamigno: In both strength and standing you're nothing compared to Vergo.
Doflamingo wanted to make Law a seat member, but Law left before he'd even come close to having the power (13 years ago). Yet even know, he says he doesn't compare to Vergo. Which suggests Doflamingo places Vergo above the other Special Executives.
OT: Because of a logical progression of strength. There are clear symbolisms in One Piece.
Luffy: Garp
Zoro: Rayleigh
Law: Whitebeard
Kid: Shiki
Smoker: Garp
Smoker is this generations Garp, and he was a man who'd always go toe to toe with Rodger. More importantly, Garp always chased. We've seen Smoker constantly hunting Luffy everywhere he goes.
So if we just use symbolism, then he's basically destined to be better.
However, let's also look at Smoker in general. Firstly, he's consistently fought on par with Luffy. Doing so even during Marineford where he was still out playing the latter. This is even after Ennis Lobby where Zoro himself states he's no match for Rob Lucci.
After the time skip, Smoker has displayed actual black coating Haki where Zoro has not. He was fighting almost even with Law until the plot basically raked him over. Seriously, Ceasar, Monet, and Law operated normally with their heart out of their body. Law even made a business transaction removing it. Yet Suddenly Smoker passes out from losing his? I think not. Furthermore, he was capable of taking multiple direct strikes from Vergo. While he lost the fight, he gave a great effort. But more importantly, he wasn't even trying to win. Smoker's goal was to retrieve Law's heart, and took a ton of excess damage from doing so. Leaving him basically done. Which shortly after, Doflamingo arrived and destroyed an already beaten Smoker. So really, Smoker has lost once LEGITIMATELY in the New World.... losing to Law. Which even then is questionable due to the way in which he suddenly passes out over his heart.
As for Tashigi's quote.
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Understanding it is simply understanding the difference between Zoro and Smoker. In short, Smoker wouldn't act this way. His Jitte would have been in Monet's throat, and she'd have been beaten into the ground. Smoker doesn't toy with people in fights.
In comparison, Zoro only fully fights people he feels he should fight. Thus, against Monet (who isn't a threat to him), he instead employs this tactic. He scares the shit out of them and lets them know they are inferior. Smoker, who is hunting pirates and criminals, would just beat down the criminal.... and then take them into custody.
Doesn't matter if you think Vergo is stronger or vice-verse. I can easily give arguments that favors Pica as the strongest, but it's not the point. The point is to show that they are all around the same general level, so Vergo would only beat another elite officer after a high/extreme difficulty fight even if he was stronger, yet Zoro fodderize that level(well as far as we know now).
All that implies Vergo isn't on Zoro's level, something going along the lines with Law's statement when he defeated Vergo saying that the worse generation will break previous gears. Law's victory against Vergo wasn't just to show his superiority, but to point out the presence of the worse generation rising at that level. The elite officers so far are just portrayed as hype tools for the worse generation
Yes, but that makes no difference. Pica hasn't gone all out yet and even when he does go all out he stll wont be able to take Luffy's head because Zoro himself knows that in order to be able to beat Luffy you can't be equal to or weaker than Zoro. Even before they started fighting Zoro stated that Pica wont be able to take Luffy's head at that level. Once the fight gets serious Pica will give Zoro atleast high-diff, Zoro thinks Pica is weaker then he actually is but even after he goes all out he still wont be able to take Luffy's head. Zoro knows Luffy is more then a tiny bit above him. The only enemy on the island who can take Luffy's head is Doflamingo.
see here you're just making false claims while i'm stating manga facts. you can't just assume pica will come back and get serious so zoro would have to high diff him. right now in the manga pica is fighting seriously (you can tell since he is panting and making struggling faces, also at the end he's bleeding), while zoro isn't fighting seriously and is low diffing pica easily.
DD is significantly above Pica. The gap between Luffy and Zoro isn't too big but it isn't small either. Big enough for everyone (even in OP) to know which one is the stronger one.
you're just proving my point, luffy is on doflamingo's level and if the gap between luffy and zoro isn't that big, but the gap between doflamingo and pica is big, that means zoro is way stronger than pica.
Look at the size of those houses compared to Pica's arm. They're still relatively big compared to what they would look like if they were in PH. You can't compare Pica's size to PH, he gets towered on. Zoro's feat was merely town level. Taking into account Pica's size (smaller than mountains) and the part that Zoro cut (he didn't completely cut the titan)
lol.... those houses are tiny on his arm..... pica is obviously mountain size, but you're free to believe what you want. we will get a full understanding on pica's size once it comes out in the anime.
1. Fujitora wasn't going all out on Zoro
2. Smoker took a beating from Vergo before DD showed up
3. DD would fodderize Zoro aswell
Zoro wont fodderize Pica though. Vergo was high stepping on Sanji, Smoker and Law until Law got his heart back and Vergo got cocky enough to believe he can take on a mountain level slash head on.
Zoro aint beating Vergo. Vergo even without the fullbody Haki was tanking signature attacks from Law and Sanji.
1. zoro also wasn't going all out.
2. smoker still woulda got fodderized since he couldn't even beat vergo who is way weaker than doflamingo.
3. doflamingo would not fodderize zoro, he would beat zoro but not fodderize.
zoro is fodderizing pica in the manga atm. vergo full body haki did not tank law, law one shotted him. vergo full body haki can not tank zoro's slashes, someone who is able to cut steel like fruit... especially attacks like 1080 pound canon, dragon shock, shishi sonson
Pica's rank is also only given AFTER Vergo is dead. Its not like you never change ranks when someone dies. For all we know Pica was only recently upgraded. And ultimately, Vergo has far better feats than Pica. One Piece is always Quality over Quantity. Sure Pica can reshape an island... doesn't matter because we see just the strength from Zoro's swords can put him down.
I don't get from where u pulled this recently ungraded argument but it is clear as day Pica is the highest of them for a long ass time. Only a few selected people knew about Vergo's death yet everyone in revolutionary army(supporters of Soldier) knows about Pica's status and there nothing that suggests that he was promoted recently.
Remember that Pica is the only one besides Joker who's referred to as "sama" bye a family member indicating that his status in family is only next to Joker. This guy is confident enough to take on all of their enemies at dressrosa. He said that he can solo all of the if he's allowed to go all out and Joker didn't said anything contradicts claim means that he believes in Pica's strength. I don't remember Vergo having this much hype.
I don't get from where u pulled this recently ungraded argument but it is clear as day Pica is the highest of them for a long ass time. Only a few selected people knew about Vergo's death yet everyone in revolutionary army(supporters of Soldier) knows about Pica's status and there nothing that suggests that he was promoted recently.
Remember that Pica is the only one besides Joker who's referred to as "sama" bye a family member indicating that his status in family is only next to Joker. This guy is confident enough to take on all of their enemies at dressrosa. He said that he can solo all of the if he's allowed to go all out and Joker didn't said anything contradicts claim means that he believes in Pica's strength. I don't remember Vergo having this much hype.
see here you're just making false claims while i'm stating manga facts. you can't just assume pica will come back and get serious so zoro would have to high diff him. right now in the manga pica is fighting seriously (you can tell since he is panting and making struggling faces, also at the end he's bleeding), while zoro isn't fighting seriously and is low diffing pica easily.
So you're saying that the fight will end with Zoro low-diffing Pica? Nope. The fight isn't over yet. Your manga facts don't stand ground as all we've seen is the attack. We don't know if Pica is done yet and most likely he is not considering that the mangaka is Oda and we've seen this happen many times before.
you're just proving my point, luffy is on doflamingo's level and if the gap between luffy and zoro isn't that big, but the gap between doflamingo and pica is big, that means zoro is way stronger than pica.
The gap between DD and Pica is bigger than the gap between Zoro and Luffy. That doesn't mean Luffy is as strong as DD, that simply means that DD is on a different level. Luffy is still below DD.
lol.... those houses are tiny on his arm..... pica is obviously mountain size, but you're free to believe what you want. we will get a full understanding on pica's size once it comes out in the anime
Again. They're relatively big compared to what they would look like if they were in PH. If they were in PH you couldn't even see them.
Now lets say Pica is mountain size. Based on the looks of it he would be much smaller than the PH mountain that Law cut. Now, if you look at the scan, you'll notice that Zoro didn't even cut the whole thing. He didn't even fully cut his upper body, he only chopped off its head and a part of its chest.
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So even if Pica was mountain size he would be the size of a small mountain which means destroying Pica would be a small mountain level feat. Zoro didn't even cut the whole thing.
If that feat from Zoro was mountain level then Mihawk's iceberg feat was planetary level....
1. zoro also wasn't going all out.
2. smoker still woulda got fodderized since he couldn't even beat vergo who is way weaker than doflamingo.
3. doflamingo would not fodderize zoro, he would beat zoro but not fodderize.
1. He was easily put down and was left bleeding from his mouth so wether you think he went all out or not doesn't matter as Fujitora was clearly dominating the clash. Zoro wasn't even fast enough to react, he was easily disposed of and then somehow managed to counter the attack but was left bleeding. Looking at the situation and what Fujitora said we can clearly see that Zoro used a strong attack in his arsenal (probably high-end) yet Fuji easily blocked it.
2. Zoro would get fodderized aswell so i don't see your point.
3. Zoro rivals Sanji. We saw what DD did to Sanji and we saw what he did to Luffy (who is above Zoro) in their first encounter. Zoro will get the same treatment.
zoro is fodderizing pica in the manga atm. vergo full body haki did not tank law, law one shotted him. vergo full body haki can not tank zoro's slashes, someone who is able to cut steel like fruit... especially attacks like 1080 pound canon, dragon shock, shishi sonson
I never said Vergo with Haki tanked Law. I said that Vergo even before going fullbody Haki was tanking signature attacks from Law. Vergo tanked a Counter Shock from Law point blank and took a DJ to the face from Sanji just to get back up and overpower both. Not to mention he was blitzing Law and even caught up with the speed of Law's shambles which is teleportation. It took a mountain level slash to get past Vergo's fullbody Haki and keep him down...Zoro hasn't shown anything that even suggests he could bypass Vergo's Haki let alone keep him down.
Again: Zoro's best feat is town level at best, it took a mountain level feat in order to beat Vergo. Zoro has nothing on Vergo in terms of speed, durability and physical strength. Vergo fractured Sanji's leg with a single kick...this is the same guy who easily broke a Pacifistas neck. Pacifistas are made of material far stronger than steel therefore Zoro being able to cut steel like paper (the same way Sanji breaks steel) is irrelevant as Vergo fractured a leg that can break Pacifista metal with a single kick.
Once Vergo got serious he oneshotted Smoker with Oni Take.
So you're saying that the fight will end with Zoro low-diffing Pica? Nope. The fight isn't over yet. Your manga facts don't stand ground as all we've seen is the attack. We don't know if Pica is done yet and most likely he is not considering that the mangaka is Oda and we've seen this happen many times before.
everything i said is coming from the manga, i never said the fight was over. all i said was zoro is low diffing him in the manga and i don't see how pica will give zoro any trouble if pica is not defeated..
When did i say Luffy is on DD's level?
The gap between DD and Pica is bigger than the gap between Zoro and Luffy. That doesn't mean Luffy is as strong as DD, that simply means that DD is on a different level. Luffy is still below DD.
not gonna turn this into an argument rather luffy is on doflamingo's level or not, you can just wait and see when he faces him.
pica sucks you're overestimating this guy to the max, his titan didn't do shit he got owned by King Punch guy, chinjao, luffy, zoro, he has nothing left to offer his titan is his strongest attack. i don't understand why you defend this guy
Again. They're relatively big compared to what they would look like if they were in PH. If they were in PH you couldn't even see them.
Now lets say Pica is mountain size. Based on the looks of it he would be much smaller than the PH mountain that Law cut. Now, if you look at the scan, you'll notice that Zoro didn't even cut the whole thing. He didn't even fully cut his upper body, he only chopped off its head and a part of its chest.
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So even if Pica was mountain size he would be the size of a small mountain which means destroying Pica would be a small mountain level feat. Zoro didn't even cut the whole thing.
If that feat from Zoro was mountain level then Mihawk's iceberg feat was planetary level....
why are you talking about PH??? those houses are the wear the families on dressrosa live in and look how small the houses are. again i told you i'm done arguing about the size of pica. my main point was law cut the mountain thanks to his devil fruit ability.
why are you bring up Mihawk he is in a different league than zoro and law.
1. He was easily put down and was left bleeding from his mouth so wether you think he went all out or not doesn't matter as Fujitora was clearly dominating the clash. Zoro wasn't even fast enough to react, he was easily disposed of and then somehow managed to counter the attack but was left bleeding. Looking at the situation and what Fujitora said we can clearly see that Zoro used a strong attack in his arsenal (probably high-end) yet Fuji easily blocked it.
2. Zoro would get fodderized aswell so i don't see your point.
3. Zoro rivals Sanji. We saw what DD did to Sanji and we saw what he did to Luffy (who is above Zoro) in their first encounter. Zoro will get the same treatment.
1. first of all i'm not saying zoro can beat fujitora, i'm saying he won't get fodderized. fujitora used an attack that literally made a hole in a solid stoned ground floor, to do that he obviously used the max or something close to the max amount of gravity he can exert unless you think he can apply more gravity and rip a whole through the earth itself. zoro was using one sword, one hand against fujitora and he got caught in his gravity off surprise and was able to deflect it with one hand, fujitora also complements him saying "brutal slash."
here is a scan of zoro clashing with fujitora for the second time and he came out fine again. meaning fujitora can't fodderize him.
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2. fujitora can't fodderize zoro(look at my explanation in #1) so how can doflamingo.
3. again read #1 to know why doflamingo can't fodderize zoro. luffy was completely fine after taking those hits from doflamingo. he had to babysit kyros in the fight and had to fight a clone. as for sanji getting fodderized, he is one smokers level so it makes sense, but sanji had not intel on doflamingos df and the strings caught him off guard.
I never said Vergo with Haki tanked Law. I said that Vergo even before going fullbody Haki was tanking signature attacks from Law. Vergo tanked a Counter Shock from Law point blank and took a DJ to the face from Sanji just to get back up and overpower both. Not to mention he was blitzing Law and even caught up with the speed of Law's shambles which is teleportation. It took a mountain level slash to get past Vergo's fullbody Haki and keep him down...Zoro hasn't shown anything that even suggests he could bypass Vergo's Haki let alone keep him down.
Again: Zoro's best feat is town level at best, it took a mountain level feat in order to beat Vergo. Zoro has nothing on Vergo in terms of speed, durability and physical strength. Vergo fractured Sanji's leg with a single kick...this is the same guy who easily broke a Pacifistas neck. Pacifistas are made of material far stronger than steel therefore Zoro being able to cut steel like paper (the same way Sanji breaks steel) is irrelevant as Vergo fractured a leg that can break Pacifista metal with a single kick.
Once Vergo got serious he oneshotted Smoker with Oni Take.
the first fight vergo had with law was when vergo had law's heart and kept squeezing it when law tried to fight back. lmaoo why don't you understand laws mountain slash has nothing to do with his strength, force or anything with swordsmanship, his df ability allows him to cut anything. all zoro's attacks are from brute force and his strength. zoro's shown feats to take down vergo i already told you them, 1080 pound canon, dragon shock, shishi sonson. he cut a dragons head off who was able to tank a jet bullet and jet stomp from luffy.
again: zoro's and law use two different methods to cut, zoro uses his strength while law uses his df, so law cutting vergo with his mountain slash thanks to his df doesn't mean zoro can't. what makes you say this, zoro was fully capable of one shotted hordy under water which means he's fast and we haven't even see is speed to the fullest. as goes for strength and durability, we haven't seen zoro try yet. so what if vergo cracked sanji's leg, if zoro went head on with sanji's leg he would slice it up. zoro was also able to cut the pasifista's like nothing, so them being harder than steel doesn't mean anything except saying zoro can cut things harder than steel.
everything i said is coming from the manga, i never said the fight was over. all i said was zoro is low diffing him in the manga and i don't see how pica will give zoro any trouble if pica is not defeated..
We know how OP fights go. Based on past fights this isn't over yet and Pica will show something thats gonna push Zoro to higher difficulties.
pica sucks you're overestimating this guy to the max, his titan didn't do shit he got owned by King Punch guy, chinjao, luffy, zoro, he has nothing left to offer his titan is his strongest attack. i don't understand why you defend this guy
Im not defending him. I've just read this manga long enough to know where this fight is going.
why are you talking about PH??? those houses are the wear the families on dressrosa live in and look how small the houses are. again i told you i'm done arguing about the size of pica. my main point was law cut the mountain thanks to his devil fruit ability
Why does it matter if Law used his DF ability? thats his own ability that he's been training and mastering for years. Based on your logic, WB splitting MF in half doesn't count when compared to Mihawk's iceberg feat as WB used a DF. Actually, based on your logic, Luffy nearly destroying Noah (and pretty much every single feat of his) doesn't count because he used his DF. Law's room pre-skip was barely the size of a building. During the TS he trained it to the point where he can cut Vergo's Haki like butter and dwarf mountains. Doesn't matter if it was done via DF ability, Law still managed to pull it off.
Law can cut mountains, Zoro cannot. Doesn't matter if Law has a DF or not.
why are you bring up Mihawk he is in a different league than zoro and law.
Because you're overrestimating Zoro's feat, calling it mountain level. Mihawk's iceberg feat was calc'd at island level. Therefore if you overrestimate Zoro's little town level feat to be mountain level then i overrestimate Mihawk's feat to be planetary (the logic of overrestimation).
1. first of all i'm not saying zoro can beat fujitora, i'm saying he won't get fodderized. fujitora used an attack that literally made a hole in a solid stoned ground floor, to do that he obviously used the max or something close to the max amount of gravity he can exert unless you think he can apply more gravity and rip a whole through the earth itself. zoro was using one sword, one hand against fujitora and he got caught in his gravity off surprise and was able to deflect it with one hand, fujitora also complements him saying "brutal slash."
Considering that Fujitora didn't even swing his swords or show any signs of having trouble for that matter i doubt he used the max of his ability. Not even close. Ground made of stone is nothing to someone of his caliber. Also, Zoro didn't get caught By surprise, as you can in the bottom panel when his glasses start breaking and his expression changes you can tell that Fuji's gravitational pull has started, Zoro is getting pushed down by Fuji while not even trying yet he can't do anything against it. Zoro couldn't even move out of the way.
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Fujitora's gravity>Roronoa Zoro
As opposed to someone like Sabo who is currently fighting Fuji without any trouble withstanding his gravitational pressure.
And the fact that Fuji said "brutal slash" only helps to prove my point. Zoro used a high-end brutal killing slash on Fujitora yet Fuji blocked it with one hand. The slash was good on Zoro's part but Fuji was simply on a whole different level.
2. fujitora can't fodderize zoro(look at my explanation in #1) so how can doflamingo.
3. again read #1 to know why doflamingo can't fodderize zoro. luffy was completely fine after taking those hits from doflamingo. he had to babysit kyros in the fight and had to fight a clone. as for sanji getting fodderized, he is one smokers level so it makes sense, but sanji had not intel on doflamingos df and the strings caught him off guard.
2. I just proved that Fujitora just did fodderize Zoro. Í wouldn't call it fodderizing though but Zoro is definately not strong enough to keep up with his pace.
3. Again, Doflamingo used his ability which Luffy wasn't able to counter. Yes, Luffy was fine after getting punched in the face but he was still taken out and that little confrontation there showed the gap between DD and Luffy. Luffy didn't "babysit" Kyros, he saved him once from a kick and that was it.
@Sanji getting fodderized, if he knew about the strings it wouldn't have been that easy i agree but again, if Zoro didn't know about the strings it would go the same way it went with Sanji thus Zoro getting fodderized aswell. Zoro can at best push DD to Mid-diff.
the first fight vergo had with law was when vergo had law's heart and kept squeezing it when law tried to fight back. lmaoo why don't you understand laws mountain slash has nothing to do with his strength, force or anything with swordsmanship, his df ability allows him to cut anything. all zoro's attacks are from brute force and his strength. zoro's shown feats to take down vergo i already told you them, 1080 pound canon, dragon shock, shishi sonson. he cut a dragons head off who was able to tank a jet bullet and jet stomp from luffy.
And the couple times Law managed to shambles (teleport) his heart back, Vergo blitzed him. Again, the same argument...Law using his DF to cut things doesn't matter. WB nearly destroyed MF, he couldn't have done that if he hadn't mastered his DF and wasn't already strong.
If Law wasn't ridiculously strong he wouldn't be able to make his room dwarf a mountain. That alone is a far greater feat than anything Zoro has showcased.
You can't give Law's DF to Tashigi and expect her to cut a mountain...Law trained and made his DF stronger and his room bigger. In order to resist it you need strong enough Haki. DD himself said that in the past Law wasn't strong enough to cut through Vergo's Haki and now he cut through it like through butter which proves that Law's DF isn't just " i eat it and now i can cut anything". Law himself has to get stronger in order to be able to cut stronger materials and pass stronger Haki. I doubt current Law can cut Diamond Jozu.
Extended his room to dwarf a mountain
Cut the mountain cleanly in two
Cut through Vergo's Haki in the process
Vergo tanked a Counter Shock to the face...Jet bullet and Jet stomp are nothing compared to CS. Enough with that 1080 thing, i already proved you its not strong enough to put down Vergo. Its Town level at best whereas it took mountain level to beat Vergo and bypass his Haki. Also, even if it was strong enough to put down Vergo, Zoro would never be able to hit him with that thing. I've proved your argument wrong. You can't tell me 1080 is enough to put down Vergo after i proved you wrong. I can pretty much say that Oni Take takes down Zoro the way it took down Smoker.
P.S. Sanji, whose body is strong enough to withstand pressures of over 5000m underwater got his leg fractured By a single kick from Vergo with no Haki.
yeah.... just like the hyouzou, monet....... what does pica even have to show, what attack can he have that's stronger than his titan. pica is getting low diff right now and it's gonna stay that way rather you like it or not.
Why does it matter if Law used his DF ability? thats his own ability that he's been training and mastering for years. Based on your logic, WB splitting MF in half doesn't count when compared to Mihawk's iceberg feat as WB used a DF. Actually, based on your logic, Luffy nearly destroying Noah (and pretty much every single feat of his) doesn't count because he used his DF. Law's room pre-skip was barely the size of a building. During the TS he trained it to the point where he can cut Vergo's Haki like butter and dwarf mountains. Doesn't matter if it was done via DF ability, Law still managed to pull it off.
Law can cut mountains, Zoro cannot. Doesn't matter if Law has a DF or not.
holy sht why do you not understand the point. you keep saying zoro can't defeat vergo because his slash is smaller than laws mountain slash that cut vergo. and what i am trying to tell you is that law cutting techniques are different from zoros. zoro uses his natural strength to cut object, while law uses his df abilites which allows him to cut anything in his room range. so you can't compare them, just because law can cut a mountain doesn't mean his slashes are stronger than zoro's. law can cut anything in thats in his room it has nothing to do with strength which is what zoro relays on.
Because you're overrestimating Zoro's feat, calling it mountain level. Mihawk's iceberg feat was calc'd at island level. Therefore if you overrestimate Zoro's little town level feat to be mountain level then i overrestimate Mihawk's feat to be planetary (the logic of overrestimation).
it's you who is underestimating zoro his slash was mountain level, do you think pica's titan is some small hill kids play on or something?? you keep saying town level slash.... mountains and towns are about the same size in width.
Considering that Fujitora didn't even swing his swords or show any signs of having trouble for that matter i doubt he used the max of his ability. Not even close. Ground made of stone is nothing to someone of his caliber. Also, Zoro didn't get caught By surprise, as you can in the bottom panel when his glasses start breaking and his expression changes you can tell that Fuji's gravitational pull has started, Zoro is getting pushed down by Fuji while not even trying yet he can't do anything against it. Zoro couldn't even move out of the way.
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Fujitora's gravity>Roronoa Zoro
As opposed to someone like Sabo who is currently fighting Fuji without any trouble withstanding his gravitational pressure.
And the fact that Fuji said "brutal slash" only helps to prove my point. Zoro used a high-end brutal killing slash on Fujitora yet Fuji blocked it with one hand. The slash was good on Zoro's part but Fuji was simply on a whole different level.
you missed the point of that scene completely, the scene was to show that zoro can not get one shotted and fodderized by admirals anymore, if the fight continued yes he would have lost around mid diff, but he would not get fodderized to the point where fujitora was not trying. he obviously got surprised by fujitora because he doesn't fully know whats his abilities are, so yeah if gravity suddenly starts getting heavier i would be surprised too. i showed you the second time the clashed and zoro came out completely fine after that because he know understands his ability and how to counter it.
fujitora saying "brutal slash" actually helps my point lmaoo. it's showing the an admiral complementing zoro showing that zoro isn't a fodder compared to him. high-end attack?? pls that was just a regular one sworded slash which he easily repeled the gravity. his high-end one sworded attacks are shishi sonson, dragon shock and pound canon with one sword.
2. I just proved that Fujitora just did fodderize Zoro. Í wouldn't call it fodderizing though but Zoro is definately not strong enough to keep up with his pace.
3. Again, Doflamingo used his ability which Luffy wasn't able to counter. Yes, Luffy was fine after getting punched in the face but he was still taken out and that little confrontation there showed the gap between DD and Luffy. Luffy didn't "babysit" Kyros, he saved him once from a kick and that was it.
@Sanji getting fodderized, if he knew about the strings it wouldn't have been that easy i agree but again, if Zoro didn't know about the strings it would go the same way it went with Sanji thus Zoro getting fodderized aswell. Zoro can at best push DD to Mid-diff.
2. you didn't prove he got fodderized cuz he countered fujitora's attack, jumped out the hole and was fine after that, i know fujitora can beat zoro but not fodderize
3. luffy is the one that will beat doflamingo this arc nothing to add on that. zoro would push doflamingo to high diff which would be far better than what smoker did, which was my original point that zoro can is stronger than smoker.
And the couple times Law managed to shambles (teleport) his heart back, Vergo blitzed him. Again, the same argument...Law using his DF to cut things doesn't matter. WB nearly destroyed MF, he couldn't have done that if he hadn't mastered his DF and wasn't already strong.
If Law wasn't ridiculously strong he wouldn't be able to make his room dwarf a mountain. That alone is a far greater feat than anything Zoro has showcased.
You can't give Law's DF to Tashigi and expect her to cut a mountain...Law trained and made his DF stronger and his room bigger. In order to resist it you need strong enough Haki. DD himself said that in the past Law wasn't strong enough to cut through Vergo's Haki and now he cut through it like through butter which proves that Law's DF isn't just " i eat it and now i can cut anything". Law himself has to get stronger in order to be able to cut stronger materials and pass stronger Haki. I doubt current Law can cut Diamond Jozu.
Extended his room to dwarf a mountain
Cut the mountain cleanly in two
Cut through Vergo's Haki in the process
Vergo tanked a Counter Shock to the face...Jet bullet and Jet stomp are nothing compared to CS. Enough with that 1080 thing, i already proved you its not strong enough to put down Vergo. Its Town level at best whereas it took mountain level to beat Vergo and bypass his Haki. Also, even if it was strong enough to put down Vergo, Zoro would never be able to hit him with that thing. I've proved your argument wrong. You can't tell me 1080 is enough to put down Vergo after i proved you wrong. I can pretty much say that Oni Take takes down Zoro the way it took down Smoker.
P.S. Sanji, whose body is strong enough to withstand pressures of over 5000m underwater got his leg fractured By a single kick from Vergo with no Haki.
is law supposed to get his heart back and dodge vergo at the same time? law was focusing on getting his heart back and got blitz because he's not focusing on vergo. blackbeard literally just got whitebeard's df and he was able to destroy marineford with his new powers you're argument is invalid.
zoro is a far greater swordsmen than law and zoro is far stronger physically. law is able to cut bigger objects than him atm thanks to his df, i don't know why you keep comparing them.
i know the more you train you df the more you can use it better. the only thing i am saying is zoro cutting abilities is different from laws. law cutting a mountain is him cutting to the fullest of his room range which he trained to make bigger, while zoro uses raw strength.
wait where did you prove me wrong about 1080 pound canon being able to cut vergo??? srsly i actually missed it..... you're insane if you think vergo can thank 1080 pound canon straight on. plus you didn't even respond to vergo tanking shishi sonson and dragon shock. the only thing zoro can't cut is diamond and maybe sea stone and if you think vergo is that hard then you're insane. i already proved my main point which this thread was about that zoro is stronger than smoker, so a oni take can't take down zoro who has clashed with fujitora who is leagues above vergo.
p.s. i don't care about sanji..... if sanji tried kicking zoro's swords head on his leg wouldn't crack, his leg will be completely cut off.
lool i'm done last time i'm responding, i proved my main point zoro>smoker.
These Zoro supporters just don't get it U_U. I'll be using caps in order to make sure you get my points. Also, im done responding. If you haven't gotten my point by now you never will.
yeah.... just like the hyouzou, monet....... what does pica even have to show, what attack can he have that's stronger than his titan. pica is getting low diff right now and it's gonna stay that way rather you like it or not.
Lmfao, whatever you say. Comparing Pica, DD's top executive to fodder like Hyuouzou and Monet U_U
At enies lobby Zoro was soloing Kaku and Jabra while being handicapped yet after Kaku went all out Zoro nearly lost to him 1v1. High-extreme diff.
holy sht why do you not understand the point. you keep saying zoro can't defeat vergo because his slash is smaller than laws mountain slash that cut vergo. and what i am trying to tell you is that law cutting techniques are different from zoros. zoro uses his natural strength to cut object, while law uses his df abilites which allows him to cut anything in his room range. so you can't compare them, just because law can cut a mountain doesn't mean his slashes are stronger than zoro's. law can cut anything in thats in his room it has nothing to do with strength which is what zoro relays on.
Law's cutting techniques ARE stronger than Zoro's cutting techniques...Why? It's because Law can cut ANYTHING. Law can cut any material in front of him and he can cut any material with less difficulty than Zoro can which is exactly why his cutting ability is stronger than Zoro's.
Put a building made of diamond in front of Law
Put a building made of diamond in front of Zoro
Zoro cannot even scratch the building made of diamond
Law can cut ANYTHING including the building made of diamond
Get what im saying?
Law's cutting ability>Zoro
Yes, he needs his DF to cut the bulding made of diamond but he can stil do it whereas Zoro can't cut it AT ALL.
Put Vergo in front of Law...Law just cut him because he can cut anything+Vergo's Haki wasn't strong enough to defend.
Put Vergo in front of Zoro...Zoro can't cut him..Why? Because Zoro uses raw strength when he needs to be using superior Haki which he has shown no sign of.
it's you who is underestimating zoro his slash was mountain level, do you think pica's titan is some small hill kids play on or something?? you keep saying town level slash.... mountains and towns are about the same size in width.
It seems like you're hellbent on wanting Zoro's feat to be mountain level.
Here, this is a calculation made by members of OBD. This shows how much Zoro cut in comparison to Pica's size and it was used to scale how much DC the attack packed. Which is Town level...
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If you think this is a mountain level feat even after reading this calculation then you clearly have no idea what a mountain level feat looks like. You're idea of a "mountain level" attack is an attack that cuts even the smallest of mountains. No, when referring to mountain leve attack we aren't talking about itty bitty small ass mountains. We're talking about mountains the size that Bijuu Damas destroy and what Law cut. We're talking about Mount Everest level shit.
you missed the point of that scene completely, the scene was to show that zoro can not get one shotted and fodderized by admirals anymore, if the fight continued yes he would have lost around mid diff, but he would not get fodderized to the point where fujitora was not trying. he obviously got surprised by fujitora because he doesn't fully know whats his abilities are, so yeah if gravity suddenly starts getting heavier i would be surprised too. i showed you the second time the clashed and zoro came out completely fine after that because he know understands his ability and how to counter it.
Lawd hae' mercy! the scene just showed Zoro getting fodderized by an admiral! Yes, he was able to counter it with one of his slashes but what did that slash do? Not a damn thing, it was easily blocked my an ADMIRAL! That scene clearly shows that Zoro is not there yet...Not even close. He doesn't get oneshotted by an admiral but that is not the point. If an admiral isn't trying sure Zoro can put up some kind of a fight but if an admiral goes at Zoro the way Akainu went at Whitebeard, Zoro would be turned to DUST the way Obito is now.
An Admiral going all out will fvck Zoro's shit up.
And we never saw how Zoro's 2nd encounter with Fuji went therefore you can't use that as an argument but from what we saw Sabo came in and let Luffy, Zoro and everyone else go while he held back Fuji and the marines.
fujitora saying "brutal slash" actually helps my point lmaoo. it's showing the an admiral complementing zoro showing that zoro isn't a fodder compared to him. high-end attack?? pls that was just a regular one sworded slash which he easily repeled the gravity. his high-end one sworded attacks are shishi sonson, dragon shock and pound canon with one sword.
No it does not help your point in any way. It only means that Zoro was using one of his STRONG attack, a strong attack on his part. Zoro was using one of his strong attacks on Fujitora yet Fujitora easily blocked it...What does that tell you about Zoro's brutal attacks? Also, why would Zoro not use a strong attack of his if he was being pulled down by gravity and trying to escape death? Only an idiot would use a casual slash when he's about to die.
Lets say Luffy used Red Hawk or any other strong attack on Shanks and Shanks blocked it with ease and said "brutal attack" What exactly does that mean? It means that Luffy used a STRONG attack of his yet it had no effect on Shanks. Meaning Luffy aint shit! compared to Shanks. Same goes to Zoro.
2. you didn't prove he got fodderized cuz he countered fujitora's attack, jumped out the hole and was fine after that, i know fujitora can beat zoro but not fodderize
As i stated before. If Fujitora goes at Zoro the way Akainu went at Whitebear, Fujitora would fvck his day, dreams and career up. Roronoa Zoro would be turned to Roronoa Zero.
3. luffy is the one that will beat doflamingo this arc nothing to add on that. zoro would push doflamingo to high diff which would be far better than what smoker did, which was my original point that zoro can is stronger than smoker
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Whatever you say Lol. You can compare this current arc to Enies Lobby arc or any real fight the SH's have had for that matter...
Lucci (Doflamingo): Doriki of 4000
Kaku (Pica): Doriki of 2100
Jyabura: Doriki of 2080
Lucci gave Luffy extreme-diff
Kaku gave Zoro high-diff-extreme diff
Jyabura gave Sanji Mid-high diff
Luffy fights the strongest...The strongest opponent is always >>the second opponent that Zoro ends up fighting and the second opponent always gives Zoro Very High-extreme difficulty.
Bar TS opponents since Luffy hasn't had a hard time with anyone yet.
is law supposed to get his heart back and dodge vergo at the same time? law was focusing on getting his heart back and got blitz because he's not focusing on vergo. blackbeard literally just got whitebeard's df and he was able to destroy marineford with his new powers you're argument is invalid.
Do you understand whats going on in that page? I'll explain to you the way Law and Vergo would...
Law: He has my heart, i'll use shambles to teleport it back. Yeah, thats the best way possible since were so far from each other...
Law: SHAMBLES!
Vergo: Too slow!
Law: OH my godzzz he's so fast! he just completely and utterly blitzed me...he was fast enough to outspeed my Shambles which is teleportation itself!!!!! All hail Kanmuru Vergo-san!!!
Understand? Vergo was moving faster than Law's teleportation in that scene which Law did not expect at all. Law thought he could teleport his heart back and simply put it in but no...Vergo was too fast. It has nothing to do with what Law was focusing on...Vergo was simply too fast.
Also, @ BB almost destroying MF...You only supported my point. BB is already strong and has a bunch of fighting experience therefore he's already able to do things with WB's DF, but BB himself said that he needs to master the fruit first, he was unable to destroy MF.
Give Law's fruit to Tashigi...Can Tashigi extend it to mountain range? Hell no
Give Luffy's fruit to Tashigi...Can Tashigi use Gear 2nd and 3rd? Hell no
Another example is Sabo. Sabo was able to use Ace's Hiken from the gecko. Why? Because he's no amateur, he's already strong and has bunch of experience fighting and yet even Sabo stated that he doesn't have full control over Ace's DF and needs to master it.
Give Ace's fruit to Tashigi...can she use Hiken? Hell no.
i know the more you train you df the more you can use it better. the only thing i am saying is zoro cutting abilities is different from laws. law cutting a mountain is him cutting to the fullest of his room range which he trained to make bigger, while zoro uses raw strength.
As i explained before, thats exactly why Law's cutting ability>Zoro's. Zoro uses raw strength...Law can cut ANYTHING.
wait where did you prove me wrong about 1080 pound canon being able to cut vergo??? srsly i actually missed it..... you're insane if you think vergo can thank 1080 pound canon straight on. plus you didn't even respond to vergo tanking shishi sonson and dragon shock. the only thing zoro can't cut is diamond and maybe sea stone and if you think vergo is that hard then you're insane. i already proved my main point which this thread was about that zoro is stronger than smoker, so a oni take can't take down zoro who has clashed with fujitora who is leagues above vergo.
Vergo doesn't need to be as heard as Seastone or Diamond jeez. In order to cut through Vergo's Haki you need strong enough Haki. Zoro has shown no signs of having strong enough Haki to cut Vergo. Also, you make it sound like Vergo will just stand there and wait for 1080p to hit him. He's not. Vergo is more than fast enough to dodge it.
Also, your point on Oni Take makes no sense...I already proved that Zoro aint shit compared to Fuji so him clashing swords with him for a second doesn't mean anything. What does a sword clash have to do with Zoro's durability?
You say 1080p>Vergo without proof (even though Vergo can dodge it with ease)
Then you turn around and say
Zoro>Oni Take because Zoro clashed with Fuji and Fuji showed that Zoro was clearly not at his level...
So because Ace clashed with Aokiji who is leagues above Law means that a head on cut from Law wont do shit to Ace?
Your logic is more twisted than Lebron James' hairline brotha.
Im done responding, if you haven't understood my point by now you never will which makes further arguments futile.
These Zoro supporters just don't get it U_U. I'll be using caps in order to make sure you get my points. Also, im done responding. If you haven't gotten my point by now you never will.
Lmfao, whatever you say. Comparing Pica, DD's top executive to fodder like Hyuouzou and Monet U_U
At enies lobby Zoro was soloing Kaku and Jabra while being handicapped yet after Kaku went all out Zoro nearly lost to him 1v1. High-extreme diff.
hyouzou was hordy's right hand man he still got neg diffed.
zoro was not soloing kaku and jabra at the same time, kaku and jabra were not even trying and they both were fighting each other to see who kills zoro. zoro first clash with kaku at ennis lobby showed that they were equals.
I'll make this as simple as possible.
Law's cutting techniques ARE stronger than Zoro's cutting techniques...Why? It's because Law can cut ANYTHING. Law can cut any material in front of him and he can cut any material with less difficulty than Zoro can which is exactly why his cutting ability is stronger than Zoro's.
Put a building made of diamond in front of Law
Put a building made of diamond in front of Zoro
Zoro cannot even scratch the building made of diamond
Law can cut ANYTHING including the building made of diamond
Get what im saying?
Law's cutting ability>Zoro
Yes, he needs his DF to cut the bulding made of diamond but he can stil do it whereas Zoro can't cut it AT ALL.
Put Vergo in front of Law...Law just cut him because he can cut anything+Vergo's Haki wasn't strong enough to defend.
Put Vergo in front of Zoro...Zoro can't cut him..Why? Because Zoro uses raw strength when he needs to be using superior Haki which he has shown no sign of.
i never said zoro can cut better than law... all i am saying is the logic you're using is flawed just because law used a mountain level slash + haki to cut vergo doesn't mean zoro can't cut him with his slash+haki. last time i am telling you, you can't compare them because zoro relays on swordmenship while law relays on his fruit.
It seems like you're hellbent on wanting Zoro's feat to be mountain level.
Here, this is a calculation made by members of OBD. This shows how much Zoro cut in comparison to Pica's size and it was used to scale how much DC the attack packed. Which is Town level...
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If you think this is a mountain level feat even after reading this calculation then you clearly have no idea what a mountain level feat looks like. You're idea of a "mountain level" attack is an attack that cuts even the smallest of mountains. No, when referring to mountain leve attack we aren't talking about itty bitty small ass mountains. We're talking about mountains the size that Bijuu Damas destroy and what Law cut. We're talking about Mount Everest level shit.
link doesn't work you're obviously overestimating the size of the mountain. the mountain had ceasars factory inside it i highly doubt his factory was thaaaat huge.
Lawd hae' mercy! the scene just showed Zoro getting fodderized by an admiral! Yes, he was able to counter it with one of his slashes but what did that slash do? Not a damn thing, it was easily blocked my an ADMIRAL! That scene clearly shows that Zoro is not there yet...Not even close. He doesn't get oneshotted by an admiral but that is not the point. If an admiral isn't trying sure Zoro can put up some kind of a fight but if an admiral goes at Zoro the way Akainu went at Whitebeard, Zoro would be turned to DUST the way Obito is now.
An Admiral going all out will fvck Zoro's shit up.
And we never saw how Zoro's 2nd encounter with Fuji went therefore you can't use that as an argument but from what we saw Sabo came in and let Luffy, Zoro and everyone else go while he held back Fuji and the marines.
laawwwd jeeesus, you missed the point that scene was trying to show the zoro can not get fodderized by admirals anymore, fujitora used an attack on zoro and zoro countered it. there was no fodderizing going on anywhere. fujitora wasn't trying? so zoro wasn't trying. if they both went all out zoro would lose mid-high diff but he won't get fodderized which is my point.
the panel showed zoro clashing for a 2nd time and he was just fine right after. you're just making random speculations on what happened without any proof cuz you can't handle the fact zoro can't get fodderized by admirals anymore.
No it does not help your point in any way. It only means that Zoro was using one of his STRONG attack, a strong attack on his part. Zoro was using one of his strong attacks on Fujitora yet Fujitora easily blocked it...What does that tell you about Zoro's brutal attacks? Also, why would Zoro not use a strong attack of his if he was being pulled down by gravity and trying to escape death? Only an idiot would use a casual slash when he's about to die.
Lets say Luffy used Red Hawk or any other strong attack on Shanks and Shanks blocked it with ease and said "brutal attack" What exactly does that mean? It means that Luffy used a STRONG attack of his yet it had no effect on Shanks. Meaning Luffy aint shit! compared to Shanks. Same goes to Zoro.
fujitora saying "brutal slash" obviously he was complementing him any idiot can see this. no that was not zoro strongest attacks zoro has names for his strongest attacks. that was just a regular air slash he used with one hand smfh. zoro was about to die?? that doesn't make any sense since he easily avoided that attack.
your luffy shanks argument is invalid again you're just making up complete bs...... bring up shit thats happened.
As i stated before. If Fujitora goes at Zoro the way Akainu went at Whitebear, Fujitora would fvck his day, dreams and career up. Roronoa Zoro would be turned to Roronoa Zero.
if both of them went all out i already agreed zoro would lose..... smh all i am saying is he won't get fodderized.
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Whatever you say Lol. You can compare this current arc to Enies Lobby arc or any real fight the SH's have had for that matter...
Lucci (Doflamingo): Doriki of 4000
Kaku (Pica): Doriki of 2100
Jyabura: Doriki of 2080
Lucci gave Luffy extreme-diff
Kaku gave Zoro high-diff-extreme diff
Jyabura gave Sanji Mid-high diff
Luffy fights the strongest...The strongest opponent is always >>the second opponent that Zoro ends up fighting and the second opponent always gives Zoro Very High-extreme difficulty.
Bar TS opponents since Luffy hasn't had a hard time with anyone yet.
wait what tf is this sht? i know luffy will face doflamingo..... i am saying that if zoro fought doflamingo he would do better than smoker.
You missed my point. Look at this page...
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Do you understand whats going on in that page? I'll explain to you the way Law and Vergo would...
Law: He has my heart, i'll use shambles to teleport it back. Yeah, thats the best way possible since were so far from each other...
Law: SHAMBLES!
Vergo: Too slow!
Law: OH my godzzz he's so fast! he just completely and utterly blitzed me...he was fast enough to outspeed my Shambles which is teleportation itself!!!!! All hail Kanmuru Vergo-san!!!
Understand? Vergo was moving faster than Law's teleportation in that scene which Law did not expect at all. Law thought he could teleport his heart back and simply put it in but no...Vergo was too fast. It has nothing to do with what Law was focusing on...Vergo was simply too fast.
Also, @ BB almost destroying MF...You only supported my point. BB is already strong and has a bunch of fighting experience therefore he's already able to do things with WB's DF, but BB himself said that he needs to master the fruit first, he was unable to destroy MF.
Give Law's fruit to Tashigi...Can Tashigi extend it to mountain range? Hell no
Give Luffy's fruit to Tashigi...Can Tashigi use Gear 2nd and 3rd? Hell no
Another example is Sabo. Sabo was able to use Ace's Hiken from the gecko. Why? Because he's no amateur, he's already strong and has bunch of experience fighting and yet even Sabo stated that he doesn't have full control over Ace's DF and needs to master it.
Give Ace's fruit to Tashigi...can she use Hiken? Hell no.
lmao r u foolish?? vergo can move faster than teleportation? teleportation is instant. listen law was trying to get his heart back that was his main goal, he couldn't fight properly without it, once he got it back vergo trys to blitz him and gets one shotted.
i agreed with you that the more experience you have with the df the more better you can use it........... you wasted so much writing for nothing.
i never said law is only good cuz of his df, which is what you're think. i am saying you can't compare him and zoro cuz they are 2 completely different fighters.
As i explained before, thats exactly why Law's cutting ability>Zoro's. Zoro uses raw strength...Law can cut ANYTHING.
i am saying you can't compare them because they are so different.
Vergo doesn't need to be as heard as Seastone or Diamond jeez. In order to cut through Vergo's Haki you need strong enough Haki. Zoro has shown no signs of having strong enough Haki to cut Vergo. Also, you make it sound like Vergo will just stand there and wait for 1080p to hit him. He's not. Vergo is more than fast enough to dodge it.
Also, your point on Oni Take makes no sense...I already proved that Zoro aint shit compared to Fuji so him clashing swords with him for a second doesn't mean anything. What does a sword clash have to do with Zoro's durability?
You say 1080p>Vergo without proof (even though Vergo can dodge it with ease)
Then you turn around and say
Zoro>Oni Take because Zoro clashed with Fuji and Fuji showed that Zoro was clearly not at his level...
So because Ace clashed with Aokiji who is leagues above Law means that a head on cut from Law wont do shit to Ace?
Your logic is more twisted than Lebron James' hairline brotha.
Im done responding, if you haven't understood my point by now you never will which makes further arguments futile.
zoro hasn't gone all out yet you can't put limits on his speed and haki. zoro has shown but CoO and CoA haki were vergo has shown only CoA. zoro has plenty of attacks that can cut vergo, he has been training with the worlds best swordsmen for 2 years. there shouldn't be anyone thats able to tank zoro's sword's with their CoA other than jozu who is diamond.
that's all i have to say, have a fun time on your ban. go outside and enjoy the weather pal.
That's what I was asking u to tell me. Only a few selected people knew about Vergo's death and you said that Pica recently got promotion i.e. after Vergo's death. They are all aware of the fact that Pica is the highest executive means that people of Tontotta know about Vergo(which is not likely) or Pica has been holding that status for a long ass time. The second one is true as they don't know about Vergo's death.
