The Mystery Behind Black Zetsu

[guts2nevergiveup]

I will make one soon hopefully. Depends on how much progress I make on it in the next couple of days.

Nice haha. You said BZ and hamura, are you gonna make two different threads or is it gonna be one?

 

[Tennis Robot]

Nice haha. You said BZ and hamura, are you gonna make two different threads or is it gonna be one?

Depends on how much I have to say about BZ and my confidence in the interest that either theory will generate on its own lol.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Depends on how much I have to say about BZ and my confidence in the interest that either theory will generate on its own lol.

Haha ya i get it. Well if you need any help just ask. And send me a link once it's done

 

[Sharingan King]

Nice try but I disagree.

When Kaguya first appeared she looked at Naruto and Sasuke and wondered, "Hagoromo and Hamura? No, Ashura and Indra."

Why would she mistake Naruto and Sasuke for Hagoromo and Hamura if Hamura was right in her sleeve?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Nice try but I disagree.

When Kaguya first appeared she looked at Naruto and Sasuke and wondered, "Hagoromo and Hamura? No, Ashura and Indra."

Why would she mistake Naruto and Sasuke for Hagoromo and Hamura if Hamura was right in her sleeve?

Wait what? she was trying to figure out who they were the transmigrants of and at first she thought hagoromo and hamura and then ashura and indra. She didn't actually think that was them.

Thanks for reading btw

 

[ANiMUS]

sorry for taking so long to respond. It kinda sent me into a spiral of thought. _@:

1st, I doubt Hagoromo and his brother actually fought like Indra and Ashura did, but I do think that Hamura's thought pattern could have more or less resembled current Sasuke's. Basically, he is perfectly ready to accept ideas from his equal (brother), but might have been somewhat rigid. Valuing the greater good above ppl.

2nd, I was really puzzled to how exactly Hamura might have become BZ. Well, what if he had his chakra drained?
When normal ppl have their chakra drained by the tree they can be turned to White Zetsu. Well, what if Kaguya drained Hamura's chakra? couldn't we expect something similar? Also, even though BZ didn't originate from Madara's will we do know that it is possible to completely take over an opponent with will alone

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If Kaguya absorbed Hamura's chakra, stripped him of most of his individuality like she does the Zetsu, and then implanted him with her will she could theoretically create BZ.

As you noted when absorbing Sasuke's chakra BZ's aura changed. It could be that direct contact with chakra that resembles his own might have stirred the Hamura inside of him.

Anyway I doubt we will get Hamura as final villain, but we might get a black Hamura if Kaguya is severely weakened

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

sorry for taking so long to respond. It kinda sent me into a spiral of thought. _@:

1st, I doubt Hagoromo and his brother actually fought like Indra and Ashura did, but I do think that Hamura's thought pattern could have more or less resembled current Sasuke's. Basically, he is perfectly ready to accept ideas from his equal (brother), but might have been somewhat rigid. Valuing the greater good above ppl.

2nd, I was really puzzled to how exactly Hamura might have become BZ. Well, what if he had his chakra drained?
When normal ppl have their chakra drained by the tree they can be turned to White Zetsu. Well, what if Kaguya drained Hamura's chakra? couldn't we expect something similar? Also, even though BZ didn't originate from Madara's will we do know that it is possible to completely take over an opponent with will alone

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If Kaguya absorbed Hamura's chakra, stripped him of most of his individuality like she does the Zetsu, and then implanted him with her will she could theoretically create BZ.

man no worries that was great haha. Hopefully it was a good spiral of thought =D

1st: I also think that his thought pattern might have resembled sasuke's although I, unlike you it seems, believe that there was one difference and that might have prevented them from coming to an agreement and eventually fight each other.

2nd: I was really puzzled too and i'm still not sure haha but I really like your theory again lol. That's a very interesting way he could have become BZ, thanks for sharing

Also, sorry but i'm not sure I understand your very last paragraph/sentence. Are you saying he was just a regular white zetsu then and she implemented him with her will and then he became BZ?

 

[ANiMUS]

man no worries that was great haha. Hopefully it was a good spiral of thought =D

1st: I also think that his thought pattern might have resembled sasuke's although I, unlike you it seems, believe that there was one difference and that might have prevented them from coming to an agreement and eventually fight each other.

2nd: I was really puzzled too and i'm still not sure haha but I really like your theory again lol. That's a very interesting way he could have become BZ, thanks for sharing

Also, sorry but i'm not sure I understand your very last paragraph/sentence. Are you saying he was just a regular white zetsu then and she implemented him with her will and then he became BZ?

He could have been turned into normal white Zetsu, but if we think about it, just like Hagoromo Hamura was born with his body being one with the chakra from Kaguya. So I would imagine there would be even less of Hamura left over than there are of normal ppl because chakra is a much more integral part of Hamura and Hagoromo than normal ppl. That could be y BZ resembles slime while White Zetsu .............is not exactly solid, but has more heft than BZ

Also, if Hagoromo and Hamura couldn't get along I don't think that Hamura would aid in implanting the Juubi inside Hagoromo.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

He could have been turned into normal white Zetsu, but if we think about it, just like Hagoromo Hamura was born with his body being one with the chakra from Kaguya. So I would imagine there would be even less of Hamura left over than there are of normal ppl because chakra is a much more integral part of Hamura and Hagoromo than normal ppl. That could be y BZ resembles slime while White Zetsu .............is not exactly solid, but has more heft than BZ

I see that's a nice theory haha.

However he must have been able to seal her along with the juubi right? so are you saying all that happened after they sealed her/juubi?

 

[ANiMUS]

I see that's a nice theory haha.

However he must have been able to seal her along with the juubi right? so are you saying all that happened after they sealed her/juubi?

The only way I could see it happening the way I envision would be if Hamura had already been taken in and he sealed himself and the Juubi within Hagoromo

If the White Zetsu were still held within the Juubi then it would make sense that Hamura could have been was as well.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

The only way I could see it happening the way I envision would be if Hamura had already been taken in and he sealed himself and the Juubi within Hagoromo

omg back to the spiral of thought _@:

so he sealed himself and the juubi within hagoromo?

 

[ANiMUS]

omg back to the spiral of thought _@:

so he sealed himself and the juubi within hagoromo?

See what I mean. Questions just led to more questions. From what I could come up with. Hamura may have been taken in by the Juubi while being taken over he may have been able to pull an Obito and perform the seals for the jutsu of Sealing the Juubi before he was completely taken over and the rest of the process of being taken over and corrupted took place inside Hagoromo. When Hagoromo tried to Seal the Juubi, the Juubi spit out what was left of Hamura. Which from that point on was known as BZ.

Wild Right XD

 

[Sharingan King]

Wait what? she was trying to figure out who they were the transmigrants of and at first she thought hagoromo and hamura and then ashura and indra. She didn't actually think that was them.

Thanks for reading btw

You can only transmigrate if you die. If she thought Hamura transmigrated then why would he be in her sleeve as black zetsu? If she thought that Naruto and Sasuke transmigrated as Hamura and Hagoromo then black zetsu cannot be Hamura.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

See what I mean. Questions just led to more questions. From what I could come up with. Hamura may have been taken in by the Juubi while being taken over he may have been able to pull an Obito and perform the seals for the jutsu before he was completely taken over and the rest of the process of being taken over and corrupted took place inside Hagoromo. When Hagoromo tried to Seal the Juubi, the Juubi spit out what was left of Hamura. Which from that point on was known as BZ.

Wild Right XD

Ya haha I don't know how you come up with some of your ideas but I always like em haha.
And now that you say that it actually somewhat makes sense. The juubi is very powerful and probably didn't just let himself get sealed easily. Hagoromo did say he needed to do the seals but it seems like he told naruto and sasuke that they will be the ones to actually do the seal. And to take it even further haha, all this time before when we saw pictures of hagoromo being sealed, it was just him, he's brother wasn't there right so maybe he was just already taken lol

Who knows you might be right lol but it's very wild haha

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

You can only transmigrate if you die. If she thought Hamura transmigrated then why would he be in her sleeve as black zetsu? If she thought that Naruto and Sasuke transmigrated as Hamura and Hagoromo then black zetsu cannot be Hamura.

But if you followed what I said tho in other responses(idk if you did or not), I did say that BZ emerged from hamura. BZ in case you haven't noticed does not look human at all so hamura's body could have died back then but BZ still remains. Hagoromo still remains in his form even tho he also died so there's no way he could have been a transmigrant either

 

[Corazon]

Nice theory and good work by both of you, guess we have to wait and see if you guys were right

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Thanks haha we appreciate it

Let's see what happens

 

[Draven]

While this theory isn't bad. I don't think BZ is hamura for one main reason BZ stated he was born\created when kaguya was sealed. Hamura was still alive and kicking at that point.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

While this theory isn't bad. I don't think BZ is hamura for one main reason BZ stated he was born\created when kaguya was sealed. Hamura was still alive and kicking at that point.

Haha yea I've been over that lol.

Thanks for reading man and glad to see you're back

 

[Sharingan King]

But if you followed what I said tho in other responses(idk if you did or not), I did say that BZ emerged from hamura. BZ in case you haven't noticed does not look human at all so hamura's body could have died back then but BZ still remains. Hagoromo still remains in his form even tho he also died so there's no way he could have been a transmigrant either

Hello, Everyone. A friend of mine Guts2neverGiveUp and i had a theory about Black Zetsu being the Final Villain. Please read and leave your opinions below. Thanks!!

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It has come to our belief that Black Zetsu, Is not, Who he Pretends to be. Now, It makes sense that Black Zetsu is Kaguya's will. But, They should be on the same ''train of thought''. But, Although Kaguya seems to agree with Black Zetsu most of the time. There seems to be a disconnection between the two of them. For example, Black Zetsu has shown no mercy, regret, or any sad emotions towards Naruto and Sasuke. While Kaguya, On the other hand, Has been shown crying when she took the chakra away from Naruto and Sasuke

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Also, Black Zetsu seems to be the one with the plan most of the time. Look at this scan where Kaguya doesn't even seem remotely happy about the way Black Zetsu ''bosses'' her around

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. They don't always seem on the ''same page''. He stated to only be ''Kaguya's Will'' remember? If he is, Indeed Kaguya's will then it should have been her plan all along. But, She hasn't addressed any of her ideals or plans so, Here is what we think.

Black Zetsu, Said he was Kaguya's son

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Is he just stating this because she actually created him? Or, Is it actually true? There are two things we've noticed. First, He said it after realizing that Naruto and Sasuke met Hagoromo. And second, When he said it, His voice changed

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Now, When has that happened before? It goes all the way back to the time that Tobi pretended to be ''Silly Tobi''. And was hiding his appearance and true identity

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Now, Is Black Zetsu doing the exact same thing that Tobi is doing? Hiding his true identity? Maybe. Let's go further. When Hagoromo was shown talking to Naruto and Sasuke. He, Did not say anything about Black Zetsu. You would think that he would but, He actually did not. Apparently because, He simply didn't know. Now, Who else did he not say ''that much'' about? His brother, Hamura. Why not? At this point we do not know.

But, Now it's time to connect the dots. ''Black Zetsu'' might have known that Hagoromo was watching over the battlefield, And, Has been watching over all of them the entire time. Perhaps he kept his identity and appearance hidden for that exact reason. Because, If Black Zetsu would have sounded the same like Hamura, Hagoromo, Would have recognized him right? Yes. But, Now that he knows that Hagoromo has started taking action with Naruto and Sasuke. He, ''Black Zetsu'', Was finally ready to change his voice to his real one when Sasuke, asked him, Who he was. I'm guessing that you're starting to see it. On top of that, Hagoromo, Was said to devote himself too much to Ashura and The Senju Clan

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And Black Zetsu straight up said he devoted himself completely to the Uchiha Clan

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Now, How could ''Black Zetsu'', Be Kaguya's child if we were told that the only two sons she has ever had are both Hagoromo, And Hamura, Well? The answer is, ''Black Zetsu'', Is actually Hamura.

Now, This is just a hypothetical thought but, Our best guess is, Is that after they sealed Kaguya, Hagoromo, And Hamura, Both didn't agree with how things should turn out in the world. (Sounds familiar to you?). Now, As a result, Hagoromo, Killed Hamura, And he somehow turned out to be Black Zetsu without Hagoromo knowing that. With the goal of reviving his mother, Kaguya. He, Since then, Still considers himself Kaguya's child. But, A different person. Which is why he said that. Now, his goal might be slightly different than Kaguya's goal. Which, Is why he sealed her in the first place with Hagoromo. But, We believe that he needs her, Which is why, He, Revived her. And, He is using her in the same way as he used Madara. We, Believe that he is the final villain. The source of the cycle of hatred is not Kaguya, But, Hamura. He tempted Indra, He changed the tablet, He used the uchihas, And he is the one who kept it going

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And, Put everything in place. Even helping Kabuto, Find Madara's body

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. So, He will be the perfect final villain. Naruto, And Sasuke, After defeating him, Would be like, Indra and Ashura in a way. But, Sasuke won't be tempted by Black Zetsu, Because, He will be defeated, So, They will more likely be like Hagoromo and Hamura, And this time, As opposed to the time between Hagormo, And Hamura, And all the other times between the ''Transmigrants'', That all failed because of Black Zetsu, They ''Naruto, And Sasuke'', Will come to an agreement and create a new ''Ninja World''

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A New Era

Thanks for reading, Please leave your thoughts and feedback below =D.

You said that black zetsu was Hamura. I showed you why he couldn't be.

So make up your mind. Is black zetsu Hamura or not?