Itachi could probably solo Minato...

[Gold Lightning]

both are speed demons, minato should be faster but itachi reflex's and 3T and MS allow him to keep up

That's incorrect. MS cant even track V2 Ay, so how on earth can it possibly track ftg?

 

[Blackdeath667]

@bold based on what?

idk lol as long as it isn't tsukuyomi minato should have the skill to do soo

their more less in the same tier all who disagree are blind fanboys
it would be high diff for both

for speed... they should be equal but IF minato is faster itachi has no problems keeping up, if itachi faster...well itachi might win more times then not lol 6/10 times maybe

 

[Blackdeath667]

That's incorrect. MS cant even track V2 Ay, so how on earth can it possibly track ftg?

im talking about base speed, some have claimed base minato blitz's itachi

 

[KidGamer65]

Itachi can't even touch Minato let alone defeat him. On the other hand can touch him, quite easily at that. No Susanoo means he dies to a Hiraishin blitz via a marked Kunai. Susanoo being up means that he simply burns away his chakra while Minato easily evades every attack he throws at him. Eventually Itachi runs out of gas and Minato finishes him off, or Susanoo simply gets teleported away and Itachi gets finished off.

Not to mention Minato can use clones.

Minato wins, comfortably. I fail to see how anyone comes to a "high diff" conclusion when Itachi can't even hit Minato.

 

[AlphaScythian]

idk lol as long as it isn't tsukuyomi minato should have the skill to do soo

their more less in the same tier all who disagree are blind fanboys
it would be high diff for both

Minato never shown anything to counter genjutsu
Base speed wise he hasnt shown anything above itachi either while itachi has precog on top.

Thats nothing but fanboys speculations.

 

[LuckyMan]

He was alive during the 4ths Reign, and he is the type to explore such things, plus he was in the anbu, who have access to secrets regular shinobi don't. I wouldn't doubt that he knows the basics of Minato's abilities. Minato is going to have a hard time fighting an MS user of equal intelligence.

Assuming he explored Minato's abilities. Assuming he accessed files on Minato while Anbu. All your doing is speculating. Itachi knows very little about Minato, he knows what most others know, that he was the Yellow Flash of Konoha and a hero of the Third War. They are not of an equal intelligence, not even close. Minato is above Itachi in literally every shinobi skill bar Genjutsu, which is not even a factor if they should fight.

 

[lanakui8]

Rasengan in easily avoidable by shunshin or even crow jutsu, last resort itachi uses rib cage for a while, it wont chakra taxing.
Kunai damaged Ei? Where?

Based on what can Itachi avoid minato FTGing + a rasengan? MS Sasuke couldn't even avoid the far slower V2 Ei's attacks, Minato is way faster and Itachi can't even track him.

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as if it couldn't, there's no reason for bee to hit ei out of the way, and get his tentacle cut in half. Plus, the stab not only cut the tentacle in half, but it cratered the ground below. Itachi dies if he gets hit by that, and would need susanoo in order to block such an attack.

Tagging susanoo is like tagging chidori or rasengan it has low life span as it is expandable chakra formation U_U

Then each time itachi uses susanoo, he's going to have to dispell the technique after. And when he does that, Minato flash-blitzes him before the tag disappears.

Then there's frog song + teleportation gg, and the fact that you've given no argument for how itachi even hits minato.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

@bold based on what?



Rasengan in easily avoidable by shunshin or even crow jutsu, last resort itachi uses rib cage for a while, it wont chakra taxing.
Kunai damaged Ei? Where?

Tagging susanoo is like tagging chidori or rasengan it has low life span as it is expandable chakra formation U_U

Minato is canonically faster than Itachi on foot/shunshin
Minato is a Kage level opponent who clearly knows how to combat ocular genjutsu, considering he was the Kage of the village that harbored the Uchiha.

 

[Blackdeath667]

Minato never shown anything to counter genjutsu
Base speed wise he hasnt shown anything above itachi either while itachi has precog on top.

Thats nothing but fanboys speculations.

you make it seem itachi>minato mid diff at most??

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Assuming he explored Minato's abilities. Assuming he accessed files on Minato while Anbu. All your doing is speculating. Itachi knows very little about Minato, he knows what most others know, that he was the Yellow Flash of Konoha and a hero of the Third War. They are not of an equal intelligence, not even close. Minato is above Itachi in literally every shinobi skill bar Genjutsu, which is not even a factor if they should fight.

Even if you're going to assume that he has no intel, which is pretty ridiculous, FTG is not that hard of a move to figure out. If Ay can do it, Itachi can do it.
And yes they are of equal intelligence, how is that even debatable?
If you think an FTG Blitz is going to kill Itachi just like that, then there is no need to continue this argument.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Based on what can Itachi avoid minato FTGing + a rasengan? MS Sasuke couldn't even avoid the far slower V2 Ei's attacks, Minato is way faster and Itachi can't even track him.

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as if it couldn't, there's no reason for bee to hit ei out of the way, and get his tentacle cut in half. Plus, the stab not only cut the tentacle in half, but it cratered the ground below. Itachi dies if he gets hit by that, and would need susanoo in order to block such an attack.

How about itachi blocks or dodges the kunais slash, uses partial rib cage or genjutsu, is aware of where is the next kunai to him? Minato fanboys make it sound always easy for minato to delived FTG blow but just anyone can dodge and get away from kunai in manga ffs.

Then each time itachi uses susanoo, he's going to have to dispell the technique after. And when he does that, Minato flash-blitzes him before the tag disappears.

wishful bullshit, nothing more, like seriously. In fact tagging chakra formation is yet to be proved in itself yet fanboys go wild.

Then there's frog song + teleportation gg, and the fact that you've given no argument for how itachi even hits minato.

Explosive clone, gets him, crow clone = genjutsu, finger or eye genjutsu or catches him with ama after FTG jump. All itachi has to do is to keep track on kunais and preferable keep them all in one angle, which isnt hard for his speed and deflecting kunais mastery.

Minato is canonically faster than Itachi on foot/shunshin
Minato is a Kage level opponent who clearly knows how to combat ocular genjutsu, considering he was the Kage of the village that harbored the Uchiha.

**** my life, now all of konoha can combat uchiha and visual genjutsu because they harboured them, oh wait uchiha were co-founders so they harboured others and is it OK that uchiha was top clan in your equation?

Canonically nothing directly proved minato be faster then itachi speed wise, or should i wait for the scan that doesnt exist from you?
And dont link me tobirama's compliment that isnt worth shit as old hiruzen was as fast as him lmao.

you make it seem itachi>minato mid diff at most??

You make it seem like its impossible to get some distance from kunai for likes of itachi U_U
Minato simply lacks base speed to deliver FTG to itachi and kunais wont cut it either.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Based on fact that itachi can neg diff dodge or deflect kunais? Minato is slower then Ei w/o FTG.
How about itachi blocks or dodges the kunais slash, uses partial rib cage or genjutsu, is aware of where is the next kunai to him? Minato fanboys make it sound always easy for minato to delived FTG blow but just anyone can dodge and get away from kunai in manga ffs.

wishful bullshit, nothing more, like seriously. In fact tagging chakra formation is yet to be proved in itself yet fanboys go wild.

Explosive clone, gets him into genjutsu or catches him with ama after FTG jump. All itachi has to do is to keep track on kunais and preferable keep them all in one angle, which isnt hard for his speed and deflecting kunais mastery.
**** my life, now all of konoha can combat uchiha and visual genjutsu because they harboured them, oh wait uchiha were co-founders so they harboured others and is it OK that uchiha was top clan in your equation?

Canonically nothing directly proved minato be faster then itachi speed wise, or should i wait for the scan that doesnt exist from you?
And dont link me tobirama's compliment that isnt worth shit as old hiruzen was as fast as him lmao.
You make it seem like its impossible to get some distance from kunai for like's of itachi U_U
Minato simply lacks base speed for to deliver FTG to itachi and kunais wont cut it either.

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Itachi can't and never will be able to do this.
And avoiding ocular genjutsu is as simple as not making direct eye contact, easy enough for a genius like Minato.

 

[Varrah]

How anyone is assessing this match properly without any stipulations?

 

[Gold Lightning]

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Itachi can't and never will be able to do this.
And avoiding ocular genjutsu is as simple as not making direct eye contact, easy enough for a genius like Minato.

The kushina one is much better than that, when he saves her from kurama claw. Would love to see itachi match that, minato stopping kakashi from stabbing obito.

 

[lanakui8]

Based on fact that itachi can neg diff dodge or deflect kunais? Minato is slower then Ei w/o FTG.

So you're basically agreeing with me that if Minato FTG's anywhere near Itachi, itachi is getting blitzed and itachi's only defense would be to deflect the kunais and stay the hell away from the tags? Okay.

How about itachi blocks or dodges the kunais slash, uses partial rib cage or genjutsu, is aware of where is the next kunai to him? Minato fanboys make it sound always easy for minato to delived FTG blow but just anyone can dodge and get away from kunai in manga ffs.

We are talking about the scenario where itachi is close to an FTG tag. Plus, simply being aware of where a kunai is means nothing as minato can FTG anywhere without touching distance of the kunai.

wishful bullshit, nothing more, like seriously. In fact tagging chakra formation is yet to be proved in itself yet fanboys go wild.

Bolded is in no way shape or form a counterargument. Susanoo is a solid chakra construct, the burden of proof is on you to show that it can't be tagged.

Explosive clone, gets him into genjutsu or catches him with ama after FTG jump.

how is any of that going to work? Minato jumped twice before 8th gated gai could even move a couple of feet and why would minato jump to a kunai within Itachi's los? Plus, Sasuke can't even track V2 Ei, how is itachi going to fire off an amaterasu when minato is right out of an FTG jump when he doesn't know which kunai minato is going to pop out of and has to focus on the target before firing it off? Minato has already tanked explosions far larger than the explosive clone, would blitz the clone before it even gets a chnce to explode, and the chances of genjutsu happening are zero considering Madara needed 5 V3 susanoos and tsunade to distract Ei in order to get him into one.

you still haven't addressed frog song + teleportation.

All itachi has to do is to keep track on kunais and preferable keep them all in one angle, which isnt hard for his speed and deflecting kunais mastery.

Itachi deflects kunais, minato picks up deflected kunais and throws them again until itachi runs out of shuriken.
Plus Minato and his shadow clones can place FTG seals on anything they touch, kunais are not needed at all to win this.

 

[AlphaScythian]

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Itachi can't and never will be able to do this.
And avoiding ocular genjutsu is as simple as not making direct eye contact, easy enough for a genius like Minato.

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Sasuke's initial distance b4 blitz.

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Minato's intial distance of the overfapped feat you posted. I am not impressed.
And we all know that itachi is faster then sasuke U_U
Anything else you got?

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

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Sasuke's initial distance b4 blitz.

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Minato's intial distance of the overfapped feat you posted. I am not impressed.
And we all know that itachi is faster then sasuke U_U
Anything else you got?

When Minato saves Kushina from Kurama, it was shunshin, but search for it, busy atm.

 

[AlphaScythian]

So you're basically agreeing with me that if Minato FTG's anywhere near Itachi, itachi is getting blitzed and itachi's only defence would be to deflect the kunais and stay the hell away from the tags? Okay.

Not Okay. Itachi still has susanoo (any form) to defend himself and if minato teleport infront of itachi he will just fall for genjutsu as his base speed is below sharingan perception.

We are talking about the scenario where itachi is close to an FTG tag. Plus, simply being aware of where a kunai is means nothing as minato can FTG anywhere without touching distance of the kunai.

How convenient, back old BS where minato has no problems to deliver FTG huh?
Minato can only teleport like 1 meter around kunai, thats not enough.

Bolded is in no way shape or form a counterargument. Susanoo is a solid chakra construct, the burden of proof is on you to show that it can't be tagged.

Why is the burden of proof on me? You claimed something that hasnt been done in manga for crist sake.
And while susanoo is solid there is always some chakra that burns away hence we see flaming tongue and it constantly drains chakra to compensate that.

how is any of that going to work? Minato jumped twice before 8th gated gai could even move a couple of feet and why would minato jump to a kunai within Itachi's los? Plus, Sasuke can't even track V2 Ei, how is itachi going to fire off an amaterasu when minato is right out of an FTG jump when he doesn't know which kunai minato is going to pop out of and has to focus on the target before firing it off? Minato has already tanked explosions far larger than the explosive clone, would blitz the clone before it even gets a chnce to explode, and the chances of genjutsu happening are zero considering Madara needed 5 V3 susanoos and tsunade to distract Ei in order to get him into one.

Minato lost his arms, he doesnt jump that fast.
Itachi would take care to keep kunais inside the los? smart thing to do, minato may not jump if he doesnt want lol
Itachi can fire continuous ama thus shift his gaze into new location given it's in the los.
When did minato tank anything impressive?
Chances of genjutsu happening are 100%, Ei has nothing to do in here, didnt Ei make eye contact with sasuke already U_U

you still haven't addressed frog song + teleportation.

Tsuki one shot any frog and it cant be performed.

Itachi deflects kunais, minato picks up deflected kunais and throws them again until itachi runs out of shuriken.
Plus Minato and his shadow clones can place FTG seals on anything they touch, kunais are not needed at all to win this.

Lovely, minato wastes chakra on FTG to pick kunais yet itachi gonna run out of chakra? lmao
I already addressed the lack of base speed minato to deliver FTG, clones are even slower.

When Minato saves Kushina from Kurama, it was shunshin, but search for it, busy atm.

Or maybe he has thrown kunai to that tree like second before? Far more credible then 100m unproved shunshin isnt it?

 

[lanakui8]

Not Okay. Itachi still has susanoo (any form) to defend himself and if minato teleport infront of itachi he will just fall for genjutsu as his base speed is below sharingan perception.

Obito couldn't even activate kamui before minato slammed a rasengan in him. How is itachi going to activate susanoo before that? Sharingan genjutsu requires eye contact, minato just warping in front of itachi in no way means he's going to make eye contact.

How convenient, back old BS where minato has no problems to deliver FTG huh?
Minato can only teleport like 1 meter around kunai, thats not enough.

1 meter around the kunai is more than enough. SM rinnegan madara with bodily speed and super sensing could

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And minato wouldn'thave problems delivering his FTG, itachi has a limited number of projectiles, minato can just pick his own up, create more out of stones, place them on the ground, etc.

Why is the burden of proof on me? You claimed something that hasnt been done in manga for crist sake.

Minato has never placed an FTG tag on a red rock in the manga. I guess minato is incapable of placing an FTG on a red rock. You are saying minato can't place an FTG seal on solid chakra because he's never done that in the manga, yet that's obviously insufficient reasoning to make that claim. If you want to claim he can't do it, give a reason why.

And while susanoo is solid there is always some chakra that burns away hence we see flaming tongue and it constantly drains chakra to compensate that.

Yeah, just like Minato's KCM cloak, yet the seal still stays. Not only that, but the flames are not the actual solid chakra that minato would be placing the seal on, if the chakra construct was continuously being burned away,

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still on susanoo an entire chapter after the fact. Plus, i don't see any flames on that susanoo in that panel.

Minato lost his arms, he doesnt jump that fast.

he lost his arms because he was in the middle of attacking a Juubi jinchuriki, one of which also had hashirama's senjutsu and is tiers faster than itachi ever was even before becoming the juubi jinchuriki. Itachi has absolutly nothing on that, unless minato is trying to attack itachi with his warp,

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Itachi would take care to keep kunais inside the los? smart thing to do, minato may not jump if he doesnt want lol

minato picks up kunais and throws them again... minato throws tagged objects. Minato tags random objects. Minato's clones tag random objects.

Itachi can fire continuous ama thus shift his gaze into new location given it's in the los.

and minato just dodges again.

When did minato tank anything impressive?

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he either tanked that, or he's fast enough to warp and get away from the explosion. Either way, exploding bunshins don't do anything.

Chances of genjutsu happening are 100%, Ei has nothing to do in here, didnt Ei make eye contact with sasuke already U_U
Tsuki one shot any frog and it cant be performed.

That's basically you conceding the thread.

Ei has everything to do with this, if Madara who's putting way more pressure than itachi could ever put Ei can't even get Ei into a genjutsu without an outside distraction, how will itachi ever get someone who's incomparably faster than Ei into one? The answer is obvious: he doesn't. Ei obviously didn't make eye contact with sasuke, else sasuke would have genjutsu'd him. Tsuki is absolutely not oneshotting frogs that are super sensors, that are on a teleporting minato's shoulders the whole time, don't even have to use their eyes in order to fight, and when itachi has only pulled off tsukuyomi on people who just looked right into his eyes or got tricked into looking into it at very close range.

So no, genjutsu is an absolute non-factor in this fight. The fact that you give no manga explanations for how itachi even lands any of his genjutsus and just say "tsukuyomi GG" shows how unsupported your own stance is.

Lovely, minato wastes chakra on FTG to pick kunais yet itachi gonna run out of chakra? lmao

since when has FTG ever been considered to be a costly technique? And why does he even have to use FTG to pick them up? He can just walk there and do it, all of itachi's long range attacks bar amaterasu are easily dodged by base minato's normal speed, and minato is more than willing to use an ftg in order to dodge an amaterasu.

I already addressed the lack of base speed minato to deliver FTG, clones are even slower.

address it again, show me how minato's base speed which was even faster than hashirama and tobirama's is not going to allow him to place seals all over the battlefield. Show me how his clones are not fast enough to do the same.

Or maybe he has thrown kunai to that tree like second before? Far more credible then 100m unproved shunshin isnt it?

We don't see any kunai on that tree, and a 100m shunshin is absolutely not incredible, minato has shunshined across konoha, SM NAruto has shunshined hundreds of meters, Bee has shunshined hundreds of meters as well.

 

[grizzlyshree]

Obito couldn't even activate kamui before minato slammed a rasengan in him. How is itachi going to activate susanoo before that? Sharingan genjutsu requires eye contact, minato just warping in front of itachi in no way means he's going to make eye contact.


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And minato wouldn'thave problems delivering his FTG, itachi has a limited number of projectiles, minato can just pick his own up, create more out of stones, place them on the ground, etc.


Minato has never placed an FTG tag on a red rock in the manga. I guess minato is incapable of placing an FTG on a red rock. You are saying minato can't place an FTG seal on solid chakra because he's never done that in the manga, yet that's obviously insufficient reasoning to make that claim. If you want to claim he can't do it, give a reason why.


Yeah, just like Minato's KCM cloak, yet the seal still stays. Not only that, but the flames are not the actual solid chakra that minato would be placing the seal on, if the chakra construct was continuously being burned away,

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still on susanoo an entire chapter after the fact. Plus, i don't see any flames on that susanoo in that panel.


he lost his arms because he was in the middle of attacking a Juubi jinchuriki, one of which also had hashirama's senjutsu and is tiers faster than itachi ever was even before becoming the juubi jinchuriki. Itachi has absolutly nothing on that, unless minato is trying to attack itachi with his warp,

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minato picks up kunais and throws them again... minato throws tagged objects. Minato tags random objects. Minato's clones tag random objects.


and minato just dodges again.

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he either tanked that, or he's fast enough to warp and get away from the explosion. Either way, exploding bunshins don't do anything.


That's basically you conceding the thread.

Ei has everything to do with this, if Madara who's putting way more pressure than itachi could ever put Ei can't even get Ei into a genjutsu without an outside distraction, how will itachi ever get someone who's incomparably faster than Ei into one? The answer is obvious: he doesn't. Ei obviously didn't make eye contact with sasuke, else sasuke would have genjutsu'd him. Tsuki is absolutely not oneshotting frogs that are super sensors, that are on a teleporting minato's shoulders the whole time, don't even have to use their eyes in order to fight, and when itachi has only pulled off tsukuyomi on people who just looked right into his eyes or got tricked into looking into it at very close range.

So no, genjutsu is an absolute non-factor in this fight. The fact that you give no manga explanations for how itachi even lands any of his genjutsus and just say "tsukuyomi GG" shows how unsupported your own stance is.


since when has FTG ever been considered to be a costly technique? And why does he even have to use FTG to pick them up? He can just walk there and do it, all of itachi's long range attacks bar amaterasu are easily dodged by base minato's normal speed, and minato is more than willing to use an ftg in order to dodge an amaterasu.


address it again, show me how minato's base speed which was even faster than hashirama and tobirama's is not going to allow him to place seals all over the battlefield. Show me how his clones are not fast enough to do the same.


We don't see any kunai on that tree, and a 100m shunshin is absolutely not incredible, minato has shunshined across konoha, SM NAruto has shunshined hundreds of meters, Bee has shunshined hundreds of meters as well.

since itachi activated susanoo against kirin. its safe to say that he can activate the same against minato. but i see Minatto winning most of the time with his speed,strategy etc