The Mystery Behind Black Zetsu

[DaileyM]

I don't see why Hamura would side with Kaguya after she tried to kill him and Hagoromo,not to mention he helped seal her.

What if, Hagoromo and Hamura did actually get into some sort of disagreement?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I don't see why Hamura would side with Kaguya after she tried to kill him and Hagoromo,not to mention he helped seal her.

Our idea was that after sealing her, hagoromo and hamura had different ideas of how the world should turn out. Then somehow he would have fought with hagoromo and turned into BZ after the fight to survive without hagoromo knowing it. (this would be a parallel to hashi and maddy and also Naruto and sasuke if they do fight after that)

This would mean that hagoromo was stronger, afterall he was the one known as the sage and not hamura, and so bc of that the only one stronger than hagoromo was kaguya so he needed to revive her.

Also we think that he may have motives that her similar just not the same.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Ya that is smth big that we considered for making this. He almost seems more aware of what is going on then kaguya herself lol.

What do you think about BZ being hamura tho?

It's possible but really needs to be done well.Maybe Hamura was corrupted or something and thought Kaguya's way of thinking was'nt so bad.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

It's possible but really needs to be done well.Maybe Hamura was corrupted or something and thought Kaguya's way of thinking was'nt so bad.

Ya and also we don't really know much about him. Hagoromo is the one who told us, the readers, what happen and the fact that he didn't say much about hamura so smth must have happened. Like I said it would be similar to what madara did to hashi, and it could really be a future parallel for sasuke and Naruto if they end up the same way but solve the problem.

It will need to be done well tho I agree with that haha

 

[Seventh Sama]

I really, really hope not. That would be so cliche. But +rep for effort.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I really, really hope not. That would be so cliche. But +rep for effort.

Tbh yea haha but we really don't think Kaguya will be the final villain and BZ seems like the perfect fit.

Oro wouldn't make much sense although he is another option

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Nice job on this theory guys

Although I'm not too fond of the whole idea of BZ being Hamura, that does seem to be the direction that Kishi is taking. I liked the reference to Tobi and BZ's voices changing after they stopped acting.

One thing I'd like to point out is this scan

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. Here it states that the reason for Kaguya taking the form of the Juubi along with the Shinju was to take back the chakra which had been divided between Hamura and Hagoromo. So I am going to assume that parts of their chakra were necessary to fulfill whatever Kaguya's true plan is. In other words, she did not have enough. Recently, we saw Kaguya come to the conclusion that she would eliminate Naruto and Sasuke instead if trying to take back their chakra

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. We know that Naruto and Sasuke each have roughly half of Hagoromo's chakra in addition to that of Indra and Ashura.

So the question is, why would Hagoromo's chakra (now in Naruto and Sasuke) be so important prior to the sealing, but be disposable currently. If Hamura is indeed BZ working with Kaguya, then that means she already has access to the entirety of Hamura's chakra or at least a piece of it. This could be why she can still follow through with her plans even though she lacks all Hagoromo's chakra.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Black zetsu already Said Hagoromo knew nothing of Him.

Good theory none the less but I dont Hagoromo would kill his brother

Cain and Abel.

 

[Behemoth55]

Actually that thesis can't be right though, because Kuro Zetsu was created shortly before Jūbis sealing and Hamura was still alive at that time.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Nice job on this theory guys

Although I'm not too fond of the whole idea of BZ being Hamura, that does seem to be the direction that Kishi is taking. I liked the reference to Tobi and BZ's voices changing after they stopped acting.

One thing I'd like to point out is this scan

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. Here it states that the reason for Kaguya taking the form of the Juubi along with the Shinju was to take back the chakra which had been divided between Hamura and Hagoromo. So I am going to assume that parts of their chakra were necessary to fulfill whatever Kaguya's true plan is. In other words, she did not have enough. Recently, we saw Kaguya come to the conclusion that she would eliminate Naruto and Sasuke instead if trying to take back their chakra

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. We know that Naruto and Sasuke each have roughly half of Hagoromo's chakra in addition to that of Indra and Ashura.

So the question is, why would Hagoromo's chakra (now in Naruto and Sasuke) be so important prior to the sealing, but be disposable currently. If Hamura is indeed BZ working with Kaguya, then that means she already has access to the entirety of Hamura's chakra or at least a piece of it. This could be why she can still follow through with her plans even though she lacks all Hagoromo's chakra.

First of all thank you

That's an interesting point you make there Sparks. What you said could be true about her planning to use hamura's chakra. Also what do you think about BZ knowing so much, even stuff like in the scan you showed, like hagoromo didn't know the truth? That was a little smth that also led us to belive in the fact that he might be hamura somehow, what do you think?

And I just saw it so I wanna say i'm sorry about your grandma man that's tough

 

[Angelic.]

bz created before sealing of juubi into hago or gedo into moon?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Actually that thesis can't be right though, because Kuro Zetsu was created shortly before Jūbis sealing and Hamura was still alive at that time.

We were thinking about that and then we thought about the fact that he said he is kaguya's child. We thought about it literally and metaphorically and decided to go the literal route.

We thought he could have just said he was born at that time metaphorically, as if smth made him become smth else. That way he would still be Kaguya's child literally

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

bz created before sealing of juubi into hago or gedo into moon?

gedo into the moon I believe

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

but I dont Hagoromo would kill his brother

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[guts2nevergiveup]

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I'm inclined to think that you believe that hagoromo killed hamura or are you just having fun lol?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I'm inclined to think that you believe that hagoromo killed hamura or are you just having fun lol?

I'm inclined to think that he's not telling the whole truth.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I'm inclined to think that he's not telling the whole truth.

I'm inclined to thinking the same thing -_-

I'm curious to know what you think about the fact that BZ seems to know so much about Hagoromo? Is it really via kaguya?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I'm inclined to thinking the same thing -_-

I'm curious to know what you think about the fact that BZ seems to know so much about Hagoromo? Is it really via kaguya?

I don't know exactly, however:

This is taken from the Tao Te Ching regarding the right conduct of a Sage:

The sage does not strive, tamper, or seek control (ch. 64). He does not endeavor to help life along (ch. 55), or use his heart-mind (xin) to “solve” or “figure out” life’s apparent knots and entanglements (ch. 55). He who will try to do something with the world will fail, he will actually ruin it.

They never make a display of themselves, (chs. 72, 22). They do not brag or boast, (chs. 22, 24) and they do not linger after their work is done (ch. 77). They leave no trace

Seekers see the sage as someone transparently open, without any cleverness at all and, yet, the seeker knows that the sage is obviously no one's fool! This is perhaps what is meant by the words: <The sage is anchored in peace and harmony>. But what the seeker actually sees is that while the sage is not particularly keen to offer any advice, he does so when asked, with a great deal of simplicity, confidence, and utter humility.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I don't know exactly, however:

This is taken from the Tao Te Ching regarding the right conduct of a Sage:

Thanks for sharing that, it's very interesting. I think I see where you are going with this but now i'm curious to know what you make of that or are you just throwing it out there?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Thanks for sharing that, it's very interesting. I think I see where you are going with this but now i'm curious to know what you make of that or are you just throwing it out there?

Well, just look at what Hagoromo did, talked intellectually to Naruto, lingered after his work is done, is intervening in the destiny of the world,etc.

What I'm really bothered about is why is Kishi, after 1.5 years, is still hiding the relationship the Tablet has with the Death God?

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Many things have unfolded since then, but still no mention of the relationship the RDS has with the Tablet, it's obvious Kishi is hiding it, but why for so long?