[Question] So wait Luffy> Zoro

[Red Swag]

Even if it's 1000 rob lucci doffy would low diff

 

[Olorin]

Well I hope they are both more than 10 tomes steonger, and I think they are, 10 Luffy's v a Pacifista would still be a hard fight but Luffy post Ts 1shot one, though 10 tomes stronger could mean a different thing than 10 Luffy's and I think this one is more plausible

PP Liffy>Zoro and Luffy beats Zoro in a fight

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Yes, Luffy > Zoro, shouldn't be too hard for people to get.

And Doflamingo would still no diff 10 Luccis, he create ten Doflamingos so.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

10preskip Luff's/Lucci's<<<post skip Luffy.

The ten times stronger bit for me is like an indicator that our boys still have a lot to go thru to reach the top coz remember Shakky said Rayleigh was a hundred times stronger than the boys back on Sabody so now he wld have been @0times stronger. I say this is a subtle hint to mow much they proggressed over the tym skip.

#10 800 pound cannon(just wait it will come)

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Let's see how long you can keep this gimmick up..

Ot: Zoro would beat Luffy in a fight, but that doesn't mean he's stronger.

Zoro has suggested otherwise. During Ennis Lobby, Zoro specifically stays if Lucci wins, he kills everyone. Implying Lucci Post Lucci vs Luffy > The Strawhat crew combined...after Having much more readily cleared CP-9 with enough energy to take on Captain and above level foes and clear.


I doubt thst gap has lessened since Luffy got equal if not better training than Zoro.

 

[A v i]

Pre-TS Whole crew went all out to beat a pacifista where as Post- TS Luffy defeated a pacifista with single hit and he wasn't even trying so do the math.

Luffy's potential is without a doubt above Zoro and both of them trained for equal amount of time so it's only logical to assume that Luffy gained more than what Zoro accomplished in those two years though I don't think the difference is much bigger.

 

[My Username]

Pre-TS Whole crew went all out to beat a pacifista where as Post- TS Luffy defeated a pacifista with single hit and he wasn't even trying so do the math.

Luffy's potential is without a doubt above Zoro and both of them trained for equal amount of time so it's only logical to assume that Luffy gained more than what Zoro accomplished in those two years though I don't think the difference is much bigger.

By reading this,i still dont get why people say there is no difference between Zoro and Sanji...
Luffy and Zoro were trained by Top 10 Pirates where else Sanji just spent two years perfecting his speed only

 

[Fireplay]

By reading this,i still dont get why people say there is no difference between Zoro and Sanji...
Luffy and Zoro were trained by Top 10 Pirates where else Sanji just spent two years perfecting his speed only

So if Sanji was only perfecting his speed then why can he now break a Paficista's neck in one kick and withstand pressures of over 5000 feets underwater?

 

[A v i]

By reading this,i still dont get why people say there is no difference between Zoro and Sanji...
Luffy and Zoro were trained by Top 10 Pirates where else Sanji just spent two years perfecting his speed only

I don't think having a strong person as a teacher would make large difference as being strong isn't automatically means that he's a better teacher than weaker one. I believe that Mihawk and Rayleigh are at the very leash a lil bit better than Iva as teachers, so this better teacher argument isn't something we can overlook when trying to figure out how much they have gained during their training as it'll have considerable effect on the result.

When two people of same potential are trained by two different teachers, then the one who received training from the better teacher would gain better result than the one who didn't and It isn't hard for anyone to understand.

• 1)Here both Zoro and Luffy have advantage over Sanji as they have better teachers than Sanji so they gained more than Sanji from their teachers.
• 2) Sanji spent some of his time to play around with his friends where as Luffy and Zoro trained their asses to get stronger during that time.
• 3) Sanji spent some of his time to learn newkama recipes where as Luffy and Zoro are training to get stronger.
• 4)Both of them have grater potential than Sanji so they'd gain more than Sanji even if they train for equal amount of time. Here also Luffy and Zoro has advantage over Sanji.

Luffy and Zoro have more potential,better teachers and more time than Sanji during TS so it is only logical to say that what Sanji accomplished during TS in strength department is far below what Luffy and Zoro accomplished.Remember than Sanji's dream has nothing to do with strength and his main objective is to be the best cook so Sanji being considerably weaker than Luffy and Zoro isn't an unacceptable thing.

Sanji accomplished alot during TS but Luffy and Zoro left him in dust in strength department.

 

[Love Cook]

I don't think having a strong person as a teacher would make large difference as being strong isn't automatically means that he's a better teacher than weaker one. I believe that Mihawk and Rayleigh are at the very leash a lil bit better than Iva as teachers, so this better teacher argument isn't something we can overlook when trying to figure out how much they have gained during their training as it'll have considerable effect on the result.

When two people of same potential are trained by two different teachers, then the one who received training from the better teacher would gain better result than the one who didn't and It isn't hard for anyone to understand.

• 1)Here both Zoro and Luffy have advantage over Sanji as they have better teachers than Sanji so they gained more than Sanji from their teachers.

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  You say they are better teachers, but what is this based on ? Is the World's strongest swordsman also the world's best teacher ? Can he explain and teach haki to Zoro as well as Rayleigh did ?
  
  Don't his schichibukai duties conflict with Zoro's training. I doubt that the WSS took 2 years off just to train Zoro. All your reasoning is based on assumption.
  
  

  [*]2) Sanji spent some of his time to play around with his friends where as Luffy and Zoro trained their asses to get stronger during that time.

  
  Sanji spent a few days tops in that dress untill he figured out that message in the paper, that time Zoro spent on his back after getting slashed by the baboons (perona holding paper up) and trying to get to the shore with the boat.
  
  

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  [*]3) Sanji spent some of his time to learn newkama recipes where as Luffy and Zoro are training to get stronger.
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  The newkama recipies improve physical and mental stats, so they're instant power-ups
  
  

  [*]4)Both of them have grater potential than Sanji so they'd gain more than Sanji even if they train for equal amount of time. Here also Luffy and Zoro has advantage over Sanji.
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Luffy and Zoro have more potential,better teachers and more time than Sanji during TS so it is only logical to say that what Sanji accomplished during TS in strength department is far below what Luffy and Zoro accomplished.Remember than Sanji's dream has nothing to do with strength and his main objective is to be the best cook so Sanji being considerably weaker than Luffy and Zoro isn't an unacceptable thing.

How on earth is Zoro's potential greater than Sanji's, if anything Zoro has the worst potential of all the strawhats. He trains 24/7 and he is 'only' this strong, while Luffy and Sanji do nothing and can keep up with him without much trouble.

Also what your dream is, has nothing to do with your potential. There are probably a lot of swordsmen who want to be a WSS but there can only be one.

Sanji accomplished alot during TS but Luffy and Zoro left him in dust in strength department.

Where is this based on ? How can you compare, what impressive feats did Zoro pull off that Sanji couldn't ?

Sanji would've kicked Hody, Hyouzou, Monet (without the female plotshield) and Pica as well. And Zoro would've been done in by Vergo just the same.

 

[A v i]

You say they are better teachers, but what is this based on ? Is the World's strongest swordsman also the world's best teacher ? Can he explain and teach haki to Zoro as well as Rayleigh did ?

Don't his schichibukai duties conflict with Zoro's training. I doubt that the WSS took 2 years off just to train Zoro. All your reasoning is based on assumption.

You complain about my points yet you didn't posy anything that suggests otherwise. Both of them are far more wise and smarter than Iva who appears to be an idiot. Unlike those two who would take their responsibilities seriously, Iva spends most of her time for entertain herself and she has a kingdom to look after.

Okay,I admit that being strong won't make u a better teacher and I have already mentioned it in my prv post but what kind of quality does Iva has that makes you believe that he can be a better teacher than those two?

No matter how badly you look at them by no means Iva has a chance of being a better teacher than those two unless u can give me fair enough reasons without complaining about my stuff.

Sanji spent a few days tops in that dress untill he figured out that message in the paper, that time Zoro spent on his back after getting slashed by the baboons (perona holding paper up) and trying to get to the shore with the boat.

He spent considerable amount of time to run around though I won't say that he didn't gained anything during that time but the result is below what Luffy and Zoro accomplished.

The newkama recipies improve physical and mental stats, so they're instant power-ups

Since when does learning recipes would make u strong? I know that eating them would help u to grow strong but never heard of getting stronger just by learning them.

How on earth is Zoro's potential greater than Sanji's, if anything Zoro has the worst potential of all the strawhats. He trains 24/7 and he is 'only' this strong, while Luffy and Sanji do nothing and can keep up with him without much trouble.

Please, I don't think you are retarded enough to believe that they are getting stronger without actually training their asses just because we didn't saw them training on panel.

Also what your dream is, has nothing to do with your potential. There are probably a lot of swordsmen who want to be a WSS but there can only be one.

I don't remember saying that your dream would effect your potential, I am simply saying that Sanji needs to get stronger for the sake of his crew but he has no need to train his ass to get super strong like Luffy and Zoro since his main goal is to be the best cook so he should concentrate more on cooking than fighting. Apart from helping his crew for which he don't have to be as strong as Zoro and Luffy, getting super stronger isn't actually necessary for him given his back ground story.

Where is this based on ? How can you compare, what impressive feats did Zoro pull off that Sanji couldn't ?

Sanji would've kicked Hody, Hyouzou, Monet (without the female plotshield) and Pica as well. And Zoro would've been done in by Vergo just the same.

I don't remember saying that Zoro has better feats or Zoro did much better than Sanji. I said that based on how they trained their asses. I can agree with Sanji beating first 3 just as bad as Zoro did but Pica? Lmao, Now tell me based on what factor you are telling me that Sanji can hope to put a dent on this dude? about Vergo, This shit has already been discussed shitload of times so I have no interest in restarting that topic.

 

[Love Cook]

You complain about my points yet you didn't posy anything that suggests otherwise. Both of them are far more wise and smarter than Iva who appears to be an idiot. Unlike those two who would take their responsibilities seriously, Iva spends most of her time for entertain herself and she has a kingdom to look after.

Okay,I admit that being strong won't make u a better teacher and I have already mentioned it in my prv post but what kind of quality does Iva has that makes you believe that he can be a better teacher than those two?

No matter how badly you look at them by no means Iva has a chance of being a better teacher than those two unless u can give me fair enough reasons without complaining about my stuff.





He spent considerable amount of time to run around though I won't say that he didn't gained anything during that time but the result is below what Luffy and Zoro accomplished.



Since when does learning recipes would make u strong? I know that eating them would help u to grow strong but never heard of getting stronger just by learning them.




Please, I don't think you are retarded enough to believe that they are getting stronger without actually training their asses just because we didn't saw them training on panel.


I don't remember saying that your dream would effect your potential, I am simply saying that Sanji needs to get stronger for the sake of his crew but he has no need to train his ass to get super strong like Luffy and Zoro since his main goal is to be the best cook so he should concentrate more on cooking than fighting. Apart from helping his crew for which he don't have to be as strong as Zoro and Luffy, getting super stronger isn't actually necessary for him given his back ground story.



I don't remember saying that Zoro has better feats or Zoro did much better than Sanji. I said that based on how they trained their asses. I can agree with Sanji beating first 3 just as bad as Zoro did but Pica? Lmao, Now tell me based on what factor you are telling me that Sanji can hope to put a dent on this dude? about Vergo, This shit has already been discussed shitload of times so I have no interest in restarting that topic.

1) Ivankov was not alone there was an island filled with people who could train him, including Inazuma.

2) Sanji's legs are his weapons, so running is training his training his weapons directly. This is how he gained Sky walk. That is why people with Weaker legs cant do blue walk (see nami's body in Punk Hazard)

3) You need a recipe to know what you're cooking obviously. So if food leads to strength, then it is the recipe that leads to food.

4) Doesn't take away from the fact that Zoro is seen training almost every panel of spare time, and Luffy and Sanji aren't. (Obviously this wasn't a serious point, but you missed it as all of this including everything you said about teachers or how they spent their two years are all speculation. I only countered it to show you that this works two ways, and that your way of thinking doesn't have to be accurate)

5) Sanji has plenty of techniques he could use on pica, Hell Memories worked on that other giant just fine, but also spectre or Meteor strike would pack a punch. I mean if Luffy, Zoro, Don Chinjao and the King of Prodence all can do that amount of damage, why wouldn't Sanji be able to ?

Also like I said before, the statue is the least interesting part about Pica, Sanji is the smartest fighter, he would go for the main body a lot sooner than Zoro would. Yeah don't go further in on Zoro vs. Vergo because we know it would be slaughter fest.