Better brother,Itachi or Madara

[HBKJames]

I would have to go with Itachi, no offense to Madara. Both loved their brothers alot but we have more to go on with Itachi. And we know that everything Itachi did was to better Sasuke; doing everything possible to ensure Sasuke surpass him

Madara's pride from what we know would never be so self-sacrificing and humble as to allow his brother to surpass him

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Madara, he didn't torture and lied to his brother for a stupid fodder village like Konoha.

 

[KingHashirama]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

so now your excuse is madara was driven mad by the death of his 5 brothers that it made him go to fight hashirama with izuna? not an excuse.

itachi already protected sasuke i've explained this already. madara protecting izuna that one time doesnt just automatically tip it in his favor

And Itachi protecting Sasuke one time doesn't tip the favor to his side. Madara was actually nice to his brother, and showed affection and stayed with him until adulthood. Itachi was nice to his brother, and then sold out to some geezers over his family.. whaT?

Go hit real life. Your arguments are becoming pathetic.

This is false. Izuna and Madara were not on equal footing in the clan. Madara was the leader, not co-leader. Hashirama lead the clan with Tobirama's approval or not.

False, Madara and Izuna were around the same level <<< Manga fact. In the Uchiha clan that is how they are shown. Around the same level. Hashirama lead the clan because he was the strongest of his time. And he did seek for his brother's approval.. already forgot the Gokage meeting? He always seeked for approval. Hashirama was no dictator.

However, people followed him just like people follow Naruto.

 

[xxxLegacy]

Madara is the better one

 

[jimbobbity]

Madara was a better brother.

 

[V h o]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

False, Madara and Izuna were around the same level <<< Manga fact. In the Uchiha clan that is how they are shown. Around the same level. Hashirama lead the clan because he was the strongest of his time. And he did seek for his brother's approval.. already forgot the Gokage meeting? He always seeked for approval. Hashirama was no dictator.

However, people followed him just like people follow Naruto.

Lies you tell. Even when Izuna was

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he was surprised to see someone stronger than madara, hence he was weaker than Madara. Not to mention Madara was told to be the

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of the clan. If Izuna was even at the same level as Madara he wouldn't have

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to Tobirama. Izuna's position in the clan was similar to Tobirama, they were not calling the shots of the clan.

 

[KingHashirama]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

Lies you tell. Even when Izuna was

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he was surprised to see someone stronger than madara, hence he was weaker than Madara. Not to mention Madara was told to be the

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of the clan. If Izuna was even at the same level as Madara he wouldn't have

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to Tobirama. Izuna's position in the clan was similar to Tobirama, they were not calling the shots of the clan.

Ah clearly you don't understand the meaning "around the same level"... Tobirama was around the same level of EMS Madara later on also.. that does not mean Tobirama was stronger. I said level.

And why are you acting like that Izuna and Tobirama's first time fighting? They had been fighting before.. how come Tobirama couldn't kill Izuna before? Because they were at the same level.

Andclearly you do not understand the difference between calling shots and then riling people up. Tobirama and Izuna possessed the power to split their clans.

Again, if Madara had not listened to Izuna, can you garuntee Izuna wouldn't have run away? Madara did what was best for his brother.. ok. He tried to look after him.

If someone snipes your friend, is it your fault for not knowing about the sniper?

 

[V h o]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

Ah clearly you don't understand the meaning "around the same level"... Tobirama was around the same level of EMS Madara later on also.. that does not mean Tobirama was stronger. I said level.

And why are you acting like that Izuna and Tobirama's first time fighting? They had been fighting before.. how come Tobirama couldn't kill Izuna before? Because they were at the same level.

Andclearly you do not understand the difference between calling shots and then riling people up. Tobirama and Izuna possessed the power to split their clans.

Again, if Madara had not listened to Izuna, can you garuntee Izuna wouldn't have run away? Madara did what was best for his brother.. ok. He tried to look after him.

If someone snipes your friend, is it your fault for not knowing about the sniper?

I can guarantee that if Madara, the clan leader had decided for peace then there would've been peace between the clan at least for that moment. Izuna doing whatever he wants after the fact is Izuna's own decision, the clan itself would've made an alliance. Never in the manga or even the anime was Izuna ever displayed as a leader of the clan or even co-leader. Being the leader is calling the shots, Madara was calling the shots. Previous fights with Izuna and Tobirama were not shown, unless you include the "battle" they had by the river, where the 3 uchiha (Madara, Izuna, and their father) retreated from then there is nothing to prove that Tobirama was not successful in those fights as well. Hashirama also didn't kill Madara during their previous encounters, does that mean Hashirama was inferior to Madara? Izuna nor Tobirama at that time have shown zero feats to even be on EMS Madara's level. Being around the same level is just your way of generalizing their power, when clearly EMS/MS Madara was superior.

 

[KingHashirama]

^^ Idc about what madara should've decided

 

[V h o]

^^ Idc about what madara should've decided

That's fine by me. But it goes back to what I said before about Madara being partially the blame for his brother's death.

 

[KingHashirama]

That's fine by me. But it goes back to what I said before about Madara being partially the blame for his brother's death.

Yup just like our ancestors are to blame for wars right? Just like my dad is to blame for me getting in an accident or something.. or someone crashing into me.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

Basically what the title says. Who do you think was the better brother?

I'm going with Madara, Hashirama also said Madara loved his brother more than Itachi did Sasuke and he never tortured him haha

 

[lucario14]

So just because madara failed to protect izuna during was with senju, he was a worse brother? Coz he was weak? If itachi was in the same situation, would he have been strong enough to protect sasuke? So itachi was stronger than madara at that same age? Get real.

 

[Dark Artist]

Madara

he didn't kill his family or kill his clan

according to hashirama madara was the best brother

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Manga Fact

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[V h o]

Yup just like our ancestors are to blame for wars right? Just like my dad is to blame for me getting in an accident or something.. or someone crashing into me.

Are you using real life analogies now to try to support your argument? Seriously. But I'll play along, if your ancestors were the catalyst for those wars then yes, they're responsible. If someone causes something regardless of how miniscule the cause then they cause it. Madara was the leader of the clan and ultimately he is responsible for his people safety and to blame for their actions. A leader is responsible for their team.

 

[KingHashirama]

Are you using real life analogies now to try to support your argument? Seriously. But I'll play along, if your ancestors were the catalyst for those wars then yes, they're responsible. If someone causes something regardless of how miniscule the cause then they cause it. Madara was the leader of the clan and ultimately he is responsible for his people safety and to blame for their actions. A leader is responsible for their team.

So you want the leader to be on someone's d*ck 24/7 to hold their hands?

Everyone is an individual, some are gonna be on top, some are gonna be on the bottom.


In the end this is a pointless conversation, because you still haven't proved how a guy who tortures his broskie, is better than someone who cared for his brother.

And if you live ina world where a sole leader is reponsible for everything.. thennn i assume it isn't the planet called earth.


And also, no i'm responsible for my own death, when i am the one who chose to fight.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Madara. But Itachi is a better person IMO.

this.. kind of

 

[V h o]

So you want the leader to be on someone's d*ck 24/7 to hold their hands?

Everyone is an individual, some are gonna be on top, some are gonna be on the bottom.


In the end this is a pointless conversation, because you still haven't proved how a guy who tortures his broskie, is better than someone who cared for his brother.

And if you live ina world where a sole leader is reponsible for everything.. thennn i assume it isn't the planet called earth.


And also, no i'm responsible for my own death, when i am the one who chose to fight.

Well for one, I never stated that Itachi or Madara were better brothers, my original statement was that they were evenly good/bad. Itachi's one flaw in brotherliness is his torment which is a direct correlation to the hokage order, however he seemed good before the incident imo. Also a leader is responsible for the group, no one said anything about holding hands and carrying someone. I'll use your real life example here, if a US representative does something offensive to a foreign official, then the president or some high up official usually takes the fall for it even though they were not doing said action. If you don't like that analogy, how about when an employee creates trouble for the company, other people still have to apologize for the incident even though they weren't involved with the problem. Case being, Madara was the leader and he had the final say so in how the clan should operate. Madara chose to continue with war and never told his brother no.

 

[lucario14]

Given the damn circumstances and the fact that madara couldn't have done anything to prevent a war...Madara is the better brother

 

[EPICMenma]

Madara's love is far greater than Fodachi's.