Better brother,Itachi or Madara

[BLAZE]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

all im saying is danzo made it so that sasuke would die if itachi didnt kill his clan. itachi murdering his clan is what kept sasuke alive.

yes and thats the problem bro
ur logic starts and ends with alive

 

[ShiroT]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

No thats not how it works. Are you telling me all those jews who died and had brothers.. were bad brothers?

And my brothers are the ones who want peace.. while I on the other hand don't want peace.. sorry mate..

Andd yea Hashirama didn't want to fight them.. nice thats why he was on the battlefield.. Hashirama himself loves to fight.. simply just not kill. But he has killed in the name of the senju clan and his family. They all for their family.

And Izuna was the one who wanted to continue fighting.

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the jews. no im saying if a jew decided to attack a natzi guard and his brother gets killed he wasnt a good brother. he the brother starts a revolt and his brother gets killed its your fault. bottom line if you cant keep your brother out of harm, if you dont try to keep your brother out of harm, and if you fail to protect your brother you have failed. it would be different if madara had tried to stop his brothers from fighting.

hashirma told madara when they were children and when they got older that he didnt want to fight, its a war he was own the battlefield. dont say "its ok for hashirama to be on the battlefield but not madara?" did tobirama die? did hashirama fail to protect his brother or keep him alive. the issue is that madara's brothers are dead. if madara didnt want his brothers to die he shouldve made them surrender. if madara didnt want war he shouldve surrendered himself.

if izuna wanted to fight madara shouldve been the bigger brother after having half his clan stomped on and said no.

 

[BLAZE]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

They where all apart of Sauske's development but they weren't the people who made it their mission not to let Sasuke die and even if they where it doesn't matter. Yes Izuna chose to fight but MADARA vowed to protect his younger brother, yet he let his brother die on the SAME exact battle field. Now I'm not saying that it was in Madaras will that Izuna die but when your promise to protect a sibling it's you either do or you don't and he did not.

Now the title of this thread was, "who is the better brother Itachi or Madara." I'm simply basing this off the events I've seen in he manga. Sasuke is still alive and thriving a year after Itachi's death. Madaras younger brother died after he vowed t protect him. This thread isn't about what is fair or who's fault is who's. It's simply to brothers who vowed to protect their younger sibling. One followed through and one did not.

As for you trying to bring my personal life into this it just goes to show how you're getting worked up over a very trivial matter. I have a younger brother and if I vow to keep him and I don't then I didn't. I have absolutely no clue why you think this has anything to do with knowing about brother hood... It's pure logic you promise to do something and you do it. I was simply saying that Itachi did a better job as an older brother because he sought to protect his younger brother and did just that, so, after your mini rant in the small paragraph about my opinion, I almost feel compelled to try and understand why you think that me just looking at clear facts has anything to with me as a person or my relationship with my brother. And what is it about brother hood that you claim I don't know?

i have one too
and i don't think i will ever throw him in Sasuke's situation becoz i got a brain of my own rather than listening to some old warhak tbh

 

[Lightbringer]

who's alive though?

good work itachi

So Itachi can see the future and predicted every event in Sasuke's life and knew for certain that he would survive? Please gtfo

 

[ShiroT]

I might bet banned for this.. But these Itachi wankers are coming off to me as lil *****es who blame other people for their incompetence and their weakness.

If your logic is "kept him alive" = good brother.. then screw you dude. You are insulting millions out there, who couldn't protect their brothers due to a reason. SCREW YOU.

what, you cant read? i've said it many times is that if you dont

step one: prevent danger
step two: discourage danger
step three: protect your brother

if you want to be in a war your going to lose family. if you cant stop your brother from fighting the discourage it. if you dont do ANYTHING that suggests you dont want your brother fighting and you cant protect them then you have failed. madara didnt even so much as say "hey maybe we should give up we've lost to many family members". his response was "i will take revenge"

no where did i say people are at fault for random things. learn to read

 

[ShiroT]

So Itachi can see the future and predicted every event in Sasuke's life and knew for certain that he would survive? Please gtfo

it doesnt matter.

who's actions didnt result in there brother getting killed.

 

[KingHashirama]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

@Lightbringer, Man these dudes have no argument besides wanking on Itachi. They don't even understand how it feels to be a brother and having to go through that suffering of your brother's death , and you couldn't do shit about it.

the jews. no im saying if a jew decided to attack a natzi guard and his brother gets killed he wasnt a good brother. he the brother starts a revolt and his brother gets killed its your fault. bottom line if you cant keep your brother out of harm, if you dont try to keep your brother out of harm, and if you fail to protect your brother you have failed. it would be different if madara had tried to stop his brothers from fighting.

hashirma told madara when they were children and when they got older that he didnt want to fight, its a war he was own the battlefield. dont say "its ok for hashirama to be on the battlefield but not madara?" did tobirama die? did hashirama fail to protect his brother or keep him alive. the issue is that madara's brothers are dead. if madara didnt want his brothers to die he shouldve made them surrender. if madara didnt want war he shouldve surrendered himself.

if izuna wanted to fight madara shouldve been the bigger brother after having half his clan stomped on and said no.

Nah dude.. now you are changing the whole scenario.

"MAdara should've been the bigger brother".. Yea.. then you moaners would've been complaining about him not listening to his brother. Even to Hashirama, Tobirama was more important. To Madara Izuna was more important.

Again stop insulting my family, my grandparents, and millions out there. Who couldn't save their brothers on the battlefield due to a reason. You don't think this doesn't happen in real life? you think Kishimoto just came up with this idea? no.. this is daily life.. this happens every ****ing day.


Hashirama failed to protect his 2 younger brothers.. did he not?

Where was Itachi was Sasuke near death?

Where was Itachi when Sakura/Lee /Ino/Shikamaru/Choji risked their lives to save him?

Where was Itachi when Sasuke was suffering through torment?


Madara gave up his ****ing dream for his brother... There is nothing bigger than that.

what, you cant read? i've said it many times is that if you dont

step one: prevent danger
step two: discourage danger
step three: protect your brother

if you want to be in a war your going to lose family. if you cant stop your brother from fighting the discourage it. if you dont do ANYTHING that suggests you dont want your brother fighting and you cant protect them then you have failed.

no where did i say people are at fact for random things. learn to read

Nah kid you need to be a man, and learn what brother hood. I assume you don't have a younger brother.

 

[V h o]

Their roughly equal imo. Madara showed that he cared for Izuna, but that was roughly it. The biggest brotherly thing Madara did was take Izuna back after he got one shot killed by Tobirama. Itachi did torment Sasuke though. Izuna probably had more of an effect on Madara than Itachi had on Sasuke though.

 

[Lightbringer]

it doesnt matter.

who's actions didnt result in there brother getting killed.

but it wasn't Itachi's actions, it was Sasuke's and his comrades that lead to his survival.

You're giving credit to Itachi for something he was not involved in.

Itachi wasn't the one that saved Sasuke from Killer Bee, Haku, Madara, etc. It was all just chance

 

[KingHashirama]

Their roughly equal imo. Madara showed that he cared for Izuna, but that was roughly it. The biggest brotherly thing Madara did was take Izuna back after he got one shot killed by Tobirama. Itachi did torment Sasuke though. Izuna probably had more of an effect on Madara than Itachi had on Sasuke though.

Izuna was the only thing preventing Madara from shaking hands with Hashirama. Its quite sad that both Hashirama and Madara had stubborn brothers.

 

[ShiroT]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

@Lightbringer, Man these dudes have no argument besides wanking on Itachi. They don't even understand how it feels to be a brother and having to go through that suffering of your brother's death , and you couldn't do shit about it.





Nah dude.. now you are changing the whole scenario.

"MAdara should've been the bigger brother".. Yea.. then you moaners would've been complaining about him not listening to his brother. Even to Hashirama, Tobirama was more important. To Madara Izuna was more important.

Again stop insulting my family, my grandparents, and millions out there. Who couldn't save their brothers on the battlefield due to a reason. You don't think this doesn't happen in real life? you think Kishimoto just came up with this idea? no.. this is daily life.. this happens every ****ing day.


Hashirama failed to protect his 2 younger brothers.. did he not?

Where was Itachi was Sasuke near death?

Where was Itachi when Sakura/Lee /Ino/Shikamaru/Choji risked their lives to save him?

Where was Itachi when Sasuke was suffering through torment?


Madara gave up his ****ing dream for his brother... There is nothing bigger than that.



Nah kid you need to be a man, and learn what brother hood. I assume you don't have a younger brother.

your trying to make this some personally thing when its not. madara wanted revenge for the death of his clan memebrs. madara also said he wanted to protect his brother. THIS MEANS madara actively seeked battle and lost his brother. had madara not been so revenge filled then again i would feel different.

brotherhood is about protecting one another

 

[V h o]

Izuna was the only thing preventing Madara from shaking hands with Hashirama. Its quite sad that both Hashirama and Madara had stubborn brothers.

Itachi was the reason Sasuke left the village though. TBH both brothers (Izuna and Tobirama) were probably how the clans felt about each other, Madara and Hashirama were the odd ones wanting to change.

 

[KingHashirama]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

your trying to make this some personally thing when its not. madara wanted revenge for the death of his clan memebrs. madara also said he wanted to protect his brother. THIS MEANS madara actively seeked battle and lost his brother. had madara not been so revenge filled then again i would feel different.

brotherhood is about protecting one another

Brotherhood isn't about protecting one another.. ok. Its about caring for one another, its about loving one another, its about making sure that your broskie is feeling good. its about UNDERSTANDING your broskie. not simply "protecting your brother"


I love how you think you can give Itachi the credit for other people protecting Sasuke.. no dude.. get off Itachi's **** bro.

@Bold, again as I stated before, when it comes to brotherhood/family i take it serious. Ok. And when people wanna talk shit about character who were good brothers.. no. Cause you know you what might be spreading this idea in real life.. and saying ok if your torture your siblings.. and leave them alone, and over the time they end up surviving because of other people.. then you are a good sibling.

Itachi was the reason Sasuke left the village though. TBH both brothers (Izuna and Tobirama) were probably how the clans felt about each other, Madara and Hashirama were the odd ones wanting to change.

No the clans were good. Most uchiha wanted to shake hands with the Senju. Its that Izuna and Tobirama were hot heads who couldn't accept each other. Hashirama was changing people's hearts.. << That is why according to Kishimoto he was the hero of the ages.

Itachi was the reason, Sasuke suffered through mental issues. Itachi was the reason Sasuke couldn't have a happy life. Itachi was the reason why Sasuke couldn't grow up along his father and mother. Itachi was the reason that Sasuke's childhood was stripped away.

 

[ShiroT]

but it wasn't Itachi's actions, it was Sasuke's and his comrades that lead to his survival.

You're giving credit to Itachi for something he was not involved in.

Itachi wasn't the one that saved Sasuke from Killer Bee, Haku, Madara, etc. It was all just chance

no im saying itachi made the better decision. madara's decision was to fight and his brothers were killed. hashirama's decision was to fight and tobirama was not killed. hashirama gave madara the decision not to fight, madara did not take it.

itachi decided to kill his clan or sasuke wouldve died because of the coup. itachi's decision worked out because sasuke did not die as a result of itachi's actions. that is all im saying. if sasuke had died as a result of his hatred for itachi then i would say itachi failed to.

 

[Blackdeath667]

itachi could have done several things to better him and sasuke's relationship... but didnt, madara was following izuna wishes

 

[KingHashirama]

Cool Itachi killed his family and everyone who was innocnet.. so he could uh save 1 uchiha member, who happened to be his brother.

Surely, people here have the brains to realize Izuna and Tobirama would've been dead here, if it weren't for Madara and Hashirama..

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How many times did Itachi save Sasuke? once? twice at best??

Yet how many times did Madara save Izuna? countless?

 

[V h o]

There were more "brotherly" times shown with Itachi and Sasuke than Izuna and Madara. For example when Itachi and Sasuke hunted that boar. Also Itachi poking Sasuke's forehead seemed pretty brotherly. Although the times Izuna and Madara were living in were much worse, so that's probably why those actions were never seen.

 

[Lightbringer]

no im saying itachi made the better decision. madara's decision was to fight and his brothers were killed. hashirama's decision was to fight and tobirama was not killed. hashirama gave madara the decision not to fight, madara did not take it.

itachi decided to kill his clan or sasuke wouldve died because of the coup. itachi's decision worked out because sasuke did not die as a result of itachi's actions. that is all im saying. if sasuke had died as a result of his hatred for itachi then i would say itachi failed to.

How would you know that if it hasn't happened? Like I said, Itachi could have smuggled Sasuke out or ran away with him from the village and start anew. But instead he chose to ruin his brother's life.

Hashirama only gave Madara the decision not to fight after Izuna was injured. Their clans were at war way before Madara was the leader.

Being the leader doesn't mean he can end the hatred of the entire clan. If Madara wanted peace and the rest of the clan wanted war, then there would be war. This was out of Madara's control and it lead to his brother's death. There was nothing he could have done to prevent it.


Madara actually spent time with his brother while Itachi did not.

Itachi hurt his brother, Madara did not.

Madara was the better brother

 

[ShiroT]

Re: Better brother,Itachi or Madara?

Brotherhood isn't about protecting one another.. ok. Its about caring for one another, its about loving one another, its about making sure that your broskie is feeling good. its about UNDERSTANDING your broskie. not simply "protecting your brother"


I love how you think you can give Itachi the credit for other people protecting Sasuke.. no dude.. get off Itachi's **** bro.

@Bold, again as I stated before, when it comes to brotherhood/family i take it serious. Ok. And when people wanna talk shit about character who were good brothers.. no. Cause you know you what might be spreading this idea in real life.. and saying ok if your torture your siblings.. and leave them alone, and over the time they end up surviving because of other people.. then you are a good sibling.

this thread isnt about who is a shitty brother. its about who is the better brother. if the brother who tortured his brother didnt get his brother killed then i say him. if a brother wanted to fight and didnt attempt to stop the fighting and his brother was killed in battle, then to me the first brother did a better job.

no where did i say torturing your brother is ok and no where did i say madara is a shitty brother. Im saying out of the two, itachi saved sasuke

 

[V h o]

How would you know that if it hasn't happened? Like I said, Itachi could have smuggled Sasuke out or ran away with him from the village and start anew. But instead he chose to ruin his brother's life.

Hashirama only gave Madara the decision not to fight after Izuna was injured. Their clans were at war way before Madara was the leader.

Being the leader doesn't mean he can end the hatred of the entire clan. If Madara wanted peace and the rest of the clan wanted war, then there would be war. This was out of Madara's control and it lead to his brother's death. There was nothing he could have done to prevent it.


Madara actually spent time with his brother while Itachi did not.

Itachi hurt his brother, Madara did not.

Madara was the better brother

I don't believe that was the case, a lot of the uchiha were defecting to the senju side before they even made the alliance.