EXACTLY. how can you portray someone as a villain by showing them doing so many horrible things and then have characters like hashirama turn around and say hes a hero for it?
thats called designated hero, and a mary sue.
but i would say itachis a jerk sue.
I read that designated hero. I clicked on jerkass and say Cartman's pic as an example and closed the tab hahahah
he treats everyone around him like a piece of shit but is instantly forgiven because hes the "perfect prodigy who is so noble for his sacrifice"
Actually he doesn't. He didnt treat anyone around him like a piece of shit. What?! I dont get this. If you talk about...I dont even know...I dont..even..ugh...I dont recall him treating people like pieces of shits, then nobody would portray him as kind and gentle, but as an ******* who treats everyone around him(are you sure you wanted to say this??!?) like pieces of shit. I dont get this
even though the uchiha genocide was a warcrime and an atrocity to begin with.
Nobody was at war, it couldn't be a warcrime. It was an atrocity, justified by the fact that the consequences of leaving Uchiha have their way would've been even worse
its nullified by how he ACTUALLY is written.
kishi has people saying itachi is a hero because he has failed to realise he wrote a villain and not a hero, according to my morality.
i dont have to sacrifice and dispense of MY morality and what i view as wrong, just because an author thinks he can whitewash and sweep it all under the rug.
itachis a villain because he has done villainous things according to my viewpoint.
you are obviously ok with itachi torutring murdering and enslaving innocent people, and generally committing treason, atrocities and manipulations across the world.
im not. simple as that.
I dont judge your morals in general, but your moral judgements on Itachi's character is obviously not thought with a clear mind, to say the least.
Protecting the village from etc. like I keep on saying in my previous posts is heroic, according to my PoV. drastic measures had to be taken, but in the end he killed evil people to protect innocent ones. Even tough babies and innocent people died too, their numbers were a mere fraction of the amount of innocent people that would have died in the civil war and a great war to follow, because of the evil Uchiha's deeds.
Enslaving innocent people? I'm about to give up. Killing =/ enslaving. From what I remember he fought to stop edo-tensei to save numerous' peoples lives, and he even took the guilt and pain in killing his parents for the sake of other people's lives in return and another war.
Giving Jiraiya info about akatsuki and orochimaru ain't treason.
i dont care. i can because thats what i think he is.
morality is not ruled by the majority or else slavery in our world would still be seen as legitimate and legal.
with slavery, some people started shouting "HEY. WE SHOULDNT DO THAT" and that began that whole movement. same with black rights, and womens rights.
im unpopular now because i think mindrape is not heroic but imagine in 50 years, people will be absolutely disgusted by what im seeing here in this forum, with apologists going around saying hes a hero for torturing innocent people.
Of course morality is not ruled by the majority, and no, slavery in our world would not be still legitimate, thats stupid
what do you mean instead of madara? madaras worse than he is. doesnt mean itachis a hero. just slightly less of a evil villain than his uchiha brethren are.
thats funny because sakura haters are the same.
"so ussj how are you going?"
"sakura was awesome this week"
"STFU YOU SAKURA VAGINA LICKER SHES A USELESS BIT CH"
And doesn't this ring a bell? lol
kishi speaks through his drawings portraying itahcis actions, as what he wants the reader to know about him.
itachi tortures innocent people, beats his brother inot a coma, lies, manipulates, orders attempted murders and aids a terrorist organisation in stealing living nukes.
whatever hashirama thinks he knows about itachi, is not as much as what we as readers know about him given we were privy to actions of itachi that no one else ever actually saw or reported about.
such as him telling sasuke to kill his own friends.
If he truly hated his brother, he could've killed him at the massacre of right there in the hotel or whatever. Didnt really help Sasori, Deidara and others in stealing nukes, from what I remember.
Hashirama knows of the massacre and didnt condemn him, on the contrary. He doesnt know about Itachi manipulating Sasuke? Probably not, that doesnt change the fact that he knows about the massacre and didnt talk shit about it.
sasuke didnt care because he was so psychologically destroyed and manipulated that he COULDNT care. all he could focus on was who made him and his brother suffer and become that way in the first place.
he didnt care that itachi beat him to near death because he accepted obitos bullshit justification of "it was to make you stronger" hook line and sinker. but again, sasuke was so mentally damaged that thats all he could do.
he didnt listen when itachi said that he was just a failure because he didnt want to listen. its too inconveniant for sasukes revenge desires.
so dont compare me with sasuke.
i can objectively see the situation unlike sasuke who was the person suffering and getting his sanity ripped apart by a madman.
In the end, its because Itachi that sasuke redeemed and turned to the good side and now is saving the world, instead of being a villain and trying to destroy it
if itachis various actions are shown to us ON PANEL IN DETAIL then that means he is portrayed as having done those things.
but that the author is trying to "justify" and whitewash those actions via characters in universe saying its ok and heroic.
but that doesnt work.
in twilight you could have the vampires say bella is an inncoent perfect little dove for 600 chapters but it wouldnt change the fact that we are objectively seeing her be a whiny manipulative monster stringing along two guys, both of which are pretty much creepy ass holes themselves.
and no matter how many times bella says edwards perfect, it wouldnt change his creepy ass controlling behavour. it just so happens meyer saw nothing wrong with edwards behavour and as a result no one calls either of them on it.
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and see how many "heroes" are treated as such by the author and characters, but are objectively at best jerks and at worst monsters.
Itachi's various good actions are shown to us ON PANEL IN DETAIL, which portray him as a hero also, but you seem to ignore them.
And bella I'm guessing she has thing for that creepy guy. Thats her letting emotions affecting her PoV. The majority people that have praised Itachi were not emotionally ****ed up
how can you have a work of fiction that requires the audience to completely ignore and sacrifice everything that they see as wrong or bad, just so the author can have his way?
"genocides good because kishi implied it is"
i could write a book that paints bestiality as the most loving relationship in the world and have every character spout nonsense supporting this notion, but i dont expect my audience to go along with it and do anything but look at me in disgust for trying to push that viewpoint.
Genocides are not good. But killing majority of people who were evil and trying to do things with horrible and mega atrocious consequences is not a bad thing. Killing innocent people is bad, but again, it was not necessarily genocide because majority of Uchiha were guilty and evil
kishi can push whatever viewpoint he wants. im not saying he cant.
but please dont expect me to take it like a prison rape victim and ignore my own views on life and morals. hes a designated hero sociopathic nominal hero.
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thats how i see it. fault me for that, i dont care.
not even close to the same thing.
yes i dont care how hashirama is portrayed in-story.
but objectively, hashirama is a heroic man who has shown forgiveness, compassion, humility and honesty. hes almost the superman of naruto. or the dumbledore. all qualities that the vicious manipulative ruthless itachi lacked.
naruto was hated for 12 years of his life. does that mean i should too? sorry but i dont go along with majorities so easily and i dont like being told by an author how to think and who to forgive.
