Analyzing The End.

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TBH, Sakura can die becuz even now after her development Kishi has been giving her a bit too much panel time in dangerous situations. However if she does die then I am expecting someone to use RT

my fav is Sasuke
Followed by Tobirama
Then Gaara
Oh I see haha you would have liked more action for sasuke =D I get it

And ya i'm not hating on sakura at all but I do think it would be good direction to take the story in. And if she does die, then no one better use RT lol
 

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I'll leave some of my thoughts on the matter as well, it's long so whoever wants to read them feel free.
Thoughts on Sakura dying
While I personally don't have any problems with Sakura essentially dying, I think at this point it's too late for that. In my personal opinion it would have been better for Kishi to have killed off both Hinata and Sakura. Hinata dying in the Pein arc would've been great for Naruto's development in becoming a man. Instead we still see him stating the same "My ninja way is friendship" nonsense and that's redundant and annoying. But to let Hinata die and Sakura live is of course an injustice I suppose so Sakura too should've met the same fate at the hands of probably Madara or even Sasuke. In fact Sasuke killing Sakura would've been a good move to show how far he's willing to go to and change the Shinobi System. It would've been great to see if Naruto would truly be willing to kill Sasuke for killing his own comrade. But of course this is a Shounen manga so leave it to Kishi to go with the typical approach.

Final Villain thoughts
In terms of a villain, at first I wasn't against Kaguya being a villain until Kishi showed how bland she was. The brains behind her plan was Black Zetsu which isn't the best character imo. So in regards to Kaguya I think Kishi should've made it that Black Zetsu didn't alter the tablet and wasn't her will, but instead she died from her own power/arrogance that came from eating the Shinju fruit shortly at the hands of her own sons joint effort showing that cooperation is key and holding true to the Uchiha Tablet's True Words.

So who in my opinion should've been the final villain? I'm going to have to go with Madara on this one. But Madara himself took a decline in character at one point in my eyes, which was after becoming the Jinchuuriki. He went from the Bad-ass that was soloing everyone while being Edo and Alive [ ] to getting almost killed 3 times like a roach ( ) until he got the Second Rinnegan through asspulls (Kamui, really?). Juubito and Edo Madara were bad-ass. So while I'm not totally against a Rikudou Madara, I didn't like the way Kishi handled it. That being said I'm not against the Power-ups Naruto and Sasuke received but I didn't like the way they met Hagoromo. Instead I felt Sasuke should've awaken the Rinnegan from that near-death experience/Senju DNA and Naruto should've become One with Nature Energy itself. Now both those outcomes occurred but not through the way I expected and I didn't feel they should've met with Hagoromo there.

While having an intense Battle with Madara that's not completely one-sided Obito intervenes and takes Madara into the Kamui dimension who drag Naruto/Sasuke with him. There Obito states that he will lock Madara in the Kamui dimension forever. Enraged, Madara's power begins to cause the dimension to collapse on itself. Naruto is the main hand to defeat Madara but Sasuke finishes him off essentially destroying the Uchiha's past. They escape and then the Gedo Mazou is left Sealed with the corpses of Madara and Obito drifting in a void-less/destroyed Kamui Space-time. Kamui realm becomes Obito's graveyard.

Anyways this is what I feel would be a great way to end the story/final battle.
Having defeated Madara two factions emerge, those who want to follow Naruto under his friendship and those who will want to follow Sasuke (smaller in number) due to his ability to see the reality behind things. Naruto perhaps could try "forgiving" Sasuke and lets him become the Hokage but that wouldn't work since the people wouldn't like Sasuke and wouldn't accept him as a leader. Which goes back to . The Long awaited battle would finally ensue at probably the Valley of the End to end things where they started. Naruto would start the battle off with the intent to reason with Sasuke like he did in the past with Sasuke going with killing intent. After Naruto is being beaten he cannot come to the strength to kill his own friend and at first falls at the hands of Sasuke. Sasuke is getting ready to finish off Naruto who's subconsciously recalling the past. Naruto feels that he's failed the promises he made with the friends that have died and prepares himself to be killed at the hand of Sasuke believing to have failed. It's here that Naruto meets what seems to be Jiraiya sensei.

After an emotional reunion Naruto finally realizes that it was his own Will/Determination that changed people like Nagato, Kurama, Obito, Gaara, and others. His own distinct way. Naruto realizes the true meaning of what it means to be a shinobi. Remembering his lesson of peace with Jiraiya-sensei Naruto gets up as it is the story "of a boy named Naruto". Naruto jokes with Sasuke that he was taking a nap and then he goes all out. Eventually the two tire one another out and they are left to use their base powers on their own. They resort to using their signatures moves of Rasengan/Chidori and clash, which leads to a flashback of their the same move struggle during their first encounter of Valley of the End. Naruto emerges the victor and Sasuke truly breaks/changes the System at this moment. He realizes what Itachi's words finally meant and understands self-sacrifice. Unlike Madara Sasuke swallows his Pride and realizes that Naruto is the best. Sasuke acknowledges that Naruto is a true warrior and that he has won. Naruto tells Sasuke to join him in leading the people but Sasuke says he must first rebuild his own clan and leaves off (probably with either Sakura/Karin). Naruto goes back and begins his life as the newest Hokage. (at this point it's most likely Hinata).
Holy shit that's really good. That's exactly what I was looking for to with this thread I love what you did :bouncy:

Hopefully people get to read it, you should have made your own thread tbh haha

I don't even know what to say haha everything is explained so well and it's your opinion and it's great. Only thing I can really say is I agree lol :sweat:

Actually there is smth the part with Obito and madara I was less happy with, how they die in the kamui dimension but as a whole it's all great haha. And the last body of text in the last spoiler tags was just a thing of beauty. T_T
 
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The moves the story how?
He's been broken before, you want him to keep getting broken?
Alright so we thought that sakura's death would have a huge impact on Naruto bc well he loves her, either as a friend or more than that, so if she died that would hurt him obviously. Then how she dies will also have an effect, especially if it is sasuke and if it is not sasuke then as we have seen it bothers Naruto when sasuke doesn't have a feeling towards his comrades.

However, we also believed that Sasuke would not be unmoved by that, that deep down, even if he doesn't show it, it would bother him, and that would be a huge change in his development.

Anyways there is a lot of ways that sakura's death could bring a change in the story and since we both agreed that she was, almost in the way and useless(except for helping Obito and even that, if kishi wanted, he could have made naruto's clone able to survive with the way he has been stretching things), that it would be best for her to die. Hope that made more sense?
 

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Holy shit that's really good. That's exactly what I was looking for to with this thread I love what you did :bouncy:

Hopefully people get to read it, you should have made your own thread tbh haha

I don't even know what to say haha everything is explained so well and it's your opinion and it's great. Only thing I can really say is I agree lol :sweat:

Actually there is smth the part with Obito and madara I was less happy with, how they die in the kamui dimension but as a whole it's all great haha. And the last body of text in the last spoiler tags was just a thing of beauty. T_T
Thanks for reading, and thanks for sharing this thread with me as well. :)

I might lol.

Ah yes, that part was kinda weird for me too. I envisioned that though as that would practically permanently seal away the Mazou since the Kamui dimension is only accessible through Obitos' MS which would be gone and so would be the Mazou.

I'm glad you liked the last part, that's the answer I've come up with when I see people say that there is no way Naruto becoming the Hokage can end the cycle.
 
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Thanks for reading, and thanks for sharing this thread with me as well. :)

I might lol.

Ah yes, that part was kinda weird for me too. I envisioned that though as that would practically permanently seal away the Mazou since the Kamui dimension is only accessible through Obitos' MS which would be gone and so would be the Mazou.

I'm glad you liked the last part, that's the answer I've come up with when I see people say that there is no way Naruto becoming the Hokage can end the cycle.
It was perfect tbh, too bad that it being on the 5th page of this thread, maybe not a lot of people will see it.

but ya to me that was the only down part but like I said it made sense so I was like well it's still good lol and yes that last part was amazing. You created your own story/ending which was great to read
 

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Alright so we thought that sakura's death would have a huge impact on Naruto bc well he loves her, either as a friend or more than that, so if she died that would hurt him obviously. Then how she dies will also have an effect, especially if it is sasuke and if it is not sasuke then as we have seen it bothers Naruto when sasuke doesn't have a feeling towards his comrades.

However, we also believed that Sasuke would not be unmoved by that, that deep down, even if he doesn't show it, it would bother him, and that would be a huge change in his development.

Anyways there is a lot of ways that sakura's death could bring a change in the story and since we both agreed that she was, almost in the way and useless(except for helping Obito and even that, if kishi wanted, he could have made naruto's clone able to survive with the way he has been stretching things), that it would be best for her to die. Hope that made more sense?
Um nope, I never agreed with you on her being useless
I'm not changing my opinion, I fail to see how anybody from team 7 or even k11 would move the story further
You're just hurting Naruto more and he's been through a lot. Also it'll be pretty sad that it took the death of somebody to make you realize that said person was important to you.
 
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As naruto is reaching its end, My friend and I thought about making a thread where people could post their thoughts, twists, and ideas about the end (War arc and on). Specifically how they want it to end, And what they would have changed from the current ending that is unfolding. Make this as detailed as you want and add explanations about your ideas and thoughts.

I’ve been reading several things about ''Storytelling'' which is what sparked my interest in doing this. First, I wanna say that I’m satisfied with how the majority of the war arc went so I won’t say anything about that.

Deaths & Closure

After seeing the last couple of chapters i think that Kishi is trying to leave us with a hint regarding Sakura, For the last couple of chapters Sakura's Clothes have been falling from her body like her headband and her clothes being burned down by acid . Revealing more body parts. She even refused to heal her own wounds because her chakra had a limit - . And she even recklessly charged Madara before that . It might be some sort of ''hint'' that he's trying to give to us. I honestly think it would be good for the story if Sakura would actually die, It would actually push the story forward for Team Seven and build some more character development for Naruto and Sasuke and even Sakura. And, At the same time be a parallel to Rin, Kakashi, And Obito.

Having said that, We wanna share something else about the whole ''Final Villain'' idea from Kishi, We personally think it would have been better if kaguya wasn’t alive and Madara would have remained the final villain at this point. Madara, instead of literally being the reincarnation of Kaguya, could have simply symbolized the reincarnation of Kaguya. One thing I read that is essential to a story is staying true to the characters. Not just their personalities (Because kishi is good at that) But, Their own respective arcs.

Sacrifices & Forgiveness

An example that we would like to share is our opinion about something that could have been handled much better and was in our opinion, Poorly handled. This example is about Guy, Who (In our opinion) Should have died after opening and using the 8 gates but didn’t, It would have made an amazing end to his character and leave much more emotion to the story, It would have been an amazing death for Guy to, Die and sacrifice himself for the village. Now, It seems to me that kishi is going in a similar direction with Naruto and Sasuke, The two main characters of the story by bringing in Kaguya, Especially with Hagoromo coming out saying he needs to do the seal . Now, Kishi hasn’t shown the end yet so there are a lot of possibilities, However, Kishi better not mess this up because, At the end of the day this is their story and the ending should be about Naruto and Sasuke too.

However, Something that we feel like Kishi has done a great job with so far is Obito. His conversion to the ''Good Side'' may have been typical. However, The fact that he's actually going to die makes it somewhat more realistic and, Makes an amazing end to his character, The fact that he's going to die alongside Kakashi and protecting him once again after ''hating'' him for so long proves the fact that ''forgiving'' and ''forgetting'' is possible for almost anyone .

Cycle Of Hatred​

Again, We will see what Kishi does with the end But, we think Naruto and sasuke should have met Hagoromo, and that’s it. There was no real reason or need for Kaguya to become alive in the ''Real'' world. After their meeting with Hagoromo they should have just had their battle with Madara and in the end, Defeat him, Not just seal him but, Defeat him. However, Since Kaguya does seem to be the ''Final Villain'' at this point it may go an entire different way, Yes, She may be defeated and sealed but, What does that exactly change? I personally think that Kaguya should be sealed and after that be freed from her evil ways and intentions, If they don't the cycle of hatred will continue, That's why there's a possibility of Naruto using ''Talk No Jutsu'' On Kaguya.

Once they have defeated Kaguya and freed her from her evil ways and intentions. I believe that they should allow the Bijuus to have their own Will and Influence, Not being in control but having their own Thoughts, Ideas, and Wants. Because even the Bijuus shouldn't be filled with hate or be controlled and used by humans for their own good. I believe the Bijuus definitely deserve closure and freedom. At least, Something like that.

After the War​

Since Kishimoto promised us that Naruto and Sasuke will have a final fight gives us many possibilities. We, Personally would love if Naruto and Sasuke's final fight would be handled like Kishi handled it with Hashirama and Madara. Sasuke has his own idea for a new ninja world . They will fight each other and after the fight is over, Naruto should be the last one standing and show Sasuke his Guts, Determination and Willpower, Which will, In a way free Sasuke from all his ''Dark Emotions''. And after that, Pick up where Hashirama and Madara failed, Create their own Village or World where people can all live alongside each other without War, Discrimination or Exclusion. So they can achieve what Hashirama and Madara couldn't achieve ''True Peace''
Now it's your turn, Feel free to address your thoughts on how you think the Manga should end and what you would have done thus far.

Thanks for reading.

cant believe read that wall of text, it was really good and intersting?
 

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Um nope, I never agreed with you on her being useless
I'm not changing my opinion, I fail to see how anybody from team 7 or even k11 would move the story further
You're just hurting Naruto more and he's been through a lot. Also it'll be pretty sad that it took the death of somebody to make you realize that said person was important to you.
Well that's your opinion and that's great really, I wasn't trying to convince you, just to make our point of view more clear.

This thread was supposed to allow people to make their own ending if they wanted so if you want to share how you would end it, that would be great and I would definitely read it.
 

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I liked the Sacrifices and forgiveness section. Gai is so underrated, he used the 8 gates without dying, he sacrificed himself and took a risk in order to help his friends. Gai should be a favorite to many.
 

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Well that's your opinion and that's great really, I wasn't trying to convince you, just to make our point of view more clear.

This thread was supposed to allow people to make their own ending if they wanted so if you want to share how you would end it, that would be great and I would definitely read it.
Yea sorry, I'm just so used to people always trying to convince me.
I think I need to wait until Kaguya is defeated to make out on how I want it to end tbh
 
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