Kakazu vs. Sasori
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The attack itself is not doing shit,
the main reasoon why IS is lethal is because of poison, kakuzu is not getting affected at all,
not to mention that he literally has 5 lives,
suiton can be used by kakuzu to make the sand much heavier, and raitons can also be used (which will conduct more electricity due to the sand being a conductor), meaning that the defense is still bypassed, and the puppet being affected,,
katon+fuuton combo can land the finishing blow, or Kakuzu can himself close the distance and break the puppet apart
FULL BODY DOMU wont work, yet kakzuu moved his domu infuused arm,
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just because we didnt see him move, towards chojis attacks doesnt mean he is a siitting duck,
you need to provide some scanns to back up ur argument, becausse its not helping you here at all,
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TheTailedSage
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This is becoming complacent and boring now
NO that's only part of the attack. If you dont die by getting speared by the iron forest then you die via poison. you keep bringing up the hearts when ive already said Iron forest takes them all out if they are within the radius which they will be to take out Kazekage. Your re-reading the fight, you should know im not pulling this from my ass.
For starters the suiton mask is featless AND lets just say for argument sake the suiton does slow the sand down. is it stopping an ABUNDANCE of IRON SAND? i dont think so. And how is electricity hurting anyone if the sand itself isn't touching the user or Sasori? that only adds to the offensive damage of the iron sand, but overall, it being a conductor has no relevance in this fight.
Katon and fuuton isn't doing anything to iron sand. explain how it breaches iron sand when its miles stronger than normal sand?
i think your missing the concept of my argument. he only used domu on his ARM no where else, JUST his arm. He still has the strength of the rest of his body . If he could use domu while moving about he would of used it a lot more in that fight.
Why is diamond > iron? Why can Iron Sand not break diamond?
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] What prevents Sasori from constructing a configuration or configurations of Iron Sand which density breaks Domu?
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Diamond is easily shattered with a hammer, that's true. But according to Mohs scale, any mineral below in that scale cannot even scratch the one above no matter how hard they tried. Diamond is 10 in this scale, while iron is 4.5 or 5.
Diamond cannot be cut by any other material other than diamond. And since hammer doesn't put a scratch but breaks diamond, Sasori would fail to poison him. Any damage then can be repaired with his strings [
Diamond cannot be cut by any other material other than diamond. And since hammer doesn't put a scratch but breaks diamond, Sasori would fail to poison him. Any damage then can be repaired with his strings [
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].Actually it turns out that in order to even crack the diamond the weapon must be at least 10 times larger then the configuration of diamond itself, seeing as Sasori has never once shown something 10x a human's height he's not accomplishing this feat. Combine that with the fact that if the Diamond pushes back on the weapon the diamond is going to win U_U
Also diamond can never be cut or sliced, so blunt force is your only option which plays right into the hand of Kakuzu as his unique body structure basically make him immune to blunt force trauma and the like. Any other shinobi using Domu would not be as efficient with its use, however Kakuzu using it basically makes him one of the ultimate defenses in the manga
Rufus ShinRa
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i think sasori would win because he has the power to send his heart to another puppet and make then him, and plus hes got thousands of puppets that he can use whil kakuzu only have the 5 hearts and chakra natures. you cant forget that sasori's puppets can also use the dead bodies jutsu
Blackdeath667
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I was playing dumb. How come i got a logic answer? ._.
Back to real business.
If we go by logic Sasori should be blind and chakra shouldn't even exist in the narutoverse at all.
I'm not sure whether Kakuzu has lungs or not, but i still think he breathes simply because the manga doesn't seem to suggest otherwise.
I asked: why can Sasori not break or bypass Doton: Domu?
This post agrees Diamond can be shattered.
This post states the necessities to scratch diamond, claiming that iron is lesser than diamond on the scale.
This is not what I ask:
This post states that diamond cannot be cut by any other material other than diamond.
Again, this is not what I ask:
This post acknowledges that diamond can be shattered.
This is what I ask:
This post states Sasori would fail to poison him.
This is not what I asked:
This post states any damage to Kakuzu would be repaired by his strings.
This is not what I asked:
If diamond can be shattered, what prevents Sasori from constructing a configuration or configurations of Iron Sand which density breaks Domu?
I request an educational link to the bold claim for verification.
This is an appeal to ignorance; the chakra created from the Third Kazekage is its own that can be supplemented by Sasori’s chakra. Thus, a configuration of Iron Sand such as
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can be supplemented by Sasori’s chakra; the act of this becomes recursive if we consider the implication of a human puppet body.(Blunt force is an option Sasori can use bypass Domu, not the option, another is striking Kakuzu whenever he performs a movement with
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; do not commit a bifurcation which presumes only one conclusion disregarding other alternatives. If Kakuzu uses Domu, there is a clock or limit for how long he can sustain the technique, Sasori should be able to outlast Kakuzu given the structure of his body in compared to Kakuzu's. Furthermore; the composition of Kakuzu’s body is fallacious in the sense that it possesses eyes, skin, and hearts, all of which are susceptible to Sasori’s poison through injection and absorption, and perhaps inhalation, and indigestion. Inhalation and indigestion may work if we assume Kakuzu has a respiratory and digestive system, but I assume we are not working on that assumption—though I think a cause can be made for them given flesh, at this point in time, was needed to create chakra.)Sasori could potentially trap Kakuzu in a highly dense Iron Sand configuration and use
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until Kakuzu does not have any chakra to further sustain Doton: Domu; and then, finish Kakuzu by plunging him with an overwhelming Iron Sand configuration that crushes him entirety—hearts and all.
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I'm going to stop you right there Never has it been shown Sasori can use any kind of smothering configuration of the Iron Sand, He is not Gaara his chakra control is cruder and much more simple. That Strategy is fallacy >.> Besides Kakuzu's hearts would still easily function and one blast of Fuuton Atsugi and the puppet is destroyed no way Sasori can create the defense needed in time to save himself.
As for the rest of your post ..... Idrk what you're trying to say
Zexion, I got love you, but man.
Your response contains a number of fallacies.
The properties of the Iron Sand allow it to be converted into any configuration; thus, Sasori can formulate the Iron Sand into any configuration or shape he wishes. [
The fallacy you have committed here is arguing from ignorance: you arguing for the falseness of Sasori configuration of Iron Sand because there is no evidence or proof of Sasori producing a smothering configuration of Iron Sand.
You are arguing in the case of a negative claim; that is, that since Sasori producing said configuration of Iron Sand has not been proved, it is false. In arguing this way you base your argument not on knowledge, but on ignorance, a lack of knowledge. The lack of evidence for Sasori producing said configuration of Iron Sand does not constitute as sufficient evidence against it.
Moreover; arguing from ignorance violates the principle of burden of proof. By claiming that Sasori has not shown a smothering configuration of Iron Sand, you are attempting to shift the burden of proof unto me implicating that I have the responsibility to disprove your claim or provide support of Sasori being able to produce a smothering configuration of Iron Sand. If I do not accept the responsibility to disprove your claim or provide support for the contradicting claim, you would have to fallaciously assume that there is no evidence for the contradicting claim.
You are assuming that because Sasori has never displayed such a feature, he is incapable of using it. This is similar to deciding that Itachi cannot use Susanoo with a Karasu Bushin because he has never done it. The absence of evidence against Sasori displaying a smothering configuration of Iron Sand is regarded as evidence for Sasori being unable to produce a smothering configuration of Iron Sand. This is an invalid inference.
The fallacy you have committed here is the misuse of a principle: you have not only misapplied the principle or rule of Sasori’s use of Iron Sand in a particular instance by assuming that it has no exceptions, you have also attempted to refute the principle of Iron Sand by implicating Gaara as a special case.
In the first half, you are misusing the principle of Sasori’s use of Iron Sand by failing to take into account sensible expectations to Sasori’s use of Iron Sand’s range of application, and applying to the scenario here in the thread, for which it was not intended. In the second half, you are misusing the principle of Sasori’s use of Iron Sand by assuming that Gaara is an exceptional case that falsifies or refutes Sasori’s use of Iron Sand by failing to realize that Gaara does not have an ill effect upon the established rule of Iron Sand. In fact, the opposite is the case; the very fact that you believed Gaara to be an exception implicitly makes the case that Sasori’s use of Iron Sand is for all practical purposes.
Your implication of Gaara being an exceptional case which attempted to refute Sasori’s use of Iron Sand represents a misunderstanding of the principles’ and refutations' nature.
No, it is not, you used your lack of knowledge of a subject as the basis for your argument.
No, in the end scenario I give, the moment Kakuzu stops using Doton: Domu he dies to swift multitudinous strikes or/and an overwhelming plunging force.
Your response contains a number of fallacies.
The properties of the Iron Sand allow it to be converted into any configuration; thus, Sasori can formulate the Iron Sand into any configuration or shape he wishes. [
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] [
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]The fallacy you have committed here is arguing from ignorance: you arguing for the falseness of Sasori configuration of Iron Sand because there is no evidence or proof of Sasori producing a smothering configuration of Iron Sand.
You are arguing in the case of a negative claim; that is, that since Sasori producing said configuration of Iron Sand has not been proved, it is false. In arguing this way you base your argument not on knowledge, but on ignorance, a lack of knowledge. The lack of evidence for Sasori producing said configuration of Iron Sand does not constitute as sufficient evidence against it.
Moreover; arguing from ignorance violates the principle of burden of proof. By claiming that Sasori has not shown a smothering configuration of Iron Sand, you are attempting to shift the burden of proof unto me implicating that I have the responsibility to disprove your claim or provide support of Sasori being able to produce a smothering configuration of Iron Sand. If I do not accept the responsibility to disprove your claim or provide support for the contradicting claim, you would have to fallaciously assume that there is no evidence for the contradicting claim.
- Since Sasori has never been shown to use any kind of smothering configuration of Iron Sand; (premise)
- [and the lack of evidence of Sasori displaying a smothering configuration of Iron Sand is evidence for your claim] (implied premise)
- Thus, Sasori cannot use a smothering configuration of Iron Sand. (conclusion)
You are assuming that because Sasori has never displayed such a feature, he is incapable of using it. This is similar to deciding that Itachi cannot use Susanoo with a Karasu Bushin because he has never done it. The absence of evidence against Sasori displaying a smothering configuration of Iron Sand is regarded as evidence for Sasori being unable to produce a smothering configuration of Iron Sand. This is an invalid inference.
The fallacy you have committed here is the misuse of a principle: you have not only misapplied the principle or rule of Sasori’s use of Iron Sand in a particular instance by assuming that it has no exceptions, you have also attempted to refute the principle of Iron Sand by implicating Gaara as a special case.
In the first half, you are misusing the principle of Sasori’s use of Iron Sand by failing to take into account sensible expectations to Sasori’s use of Iron Sand’s range of application, and applying to the scenario here in the thread, for which it was not intended. In the second half, you are misusing the principle of Sasori’s use of Iron Sand by assuming that Gaara is an exceptional case that falsifies or refutes Sasori’s use of Iron Sand by failing to realize that Gaara does not have an ill effect upon the established rule of Iron Sand. In fact, the opposite is the case; the very fact that you believed Gaara to be an exception implicitly makes the case that Sasori’s use of Iron Sand is for all practical purposes.
Your implication of Gaara being an exceptional case which attempted to refute Sasori’s use of Iron Sand represents a misunderstanding of the principles’ and refutations' nature.
No, it is not, you used your lack of knowledge of a subject as the basis for your argument.
No, in the end scenario I give, the moment Kakuzu stops using Doton: Domu he dies to swift multitudinous strikes or/and an overwhelming plunging force.
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