[Discussion] Why does Smoker>>>>Zoro?

[Zorø]

How is it baseless? Vergo when not in his full body CoA mode made a huge dent in a steel wall, that wasn't even his full body CoA mode...



That logic is just awful.
We haven't seen his full strength, simple. He fought a weaker opponent than Smoker did, Pica was weaker than Vergo, that's why.
Vergo and Pica were both the same rank, elite officers, as far as I can remember.

He can't always be stronger, as pre skip, Smoker was levels above Zoro...

How are you certain that Pica is weaker than Vergo? Have you seen him go all out?......and pre timeskip smoker wasnt that much above Zoro because after that fight with Mr 1 Zoro learned Haki....so therefore he could cut smoker.

 

[TheHokage]

How are you certain that Pica is weaker than Vergo? Have you seen him go all out?......and pre timeskip smoker wasnt that much above Zoro because after that fight with Mr 1 Zoro learned Haki....so therefore he could cut smoker.

Yet couldn't cut Enel? or the guy who rusted his blade or Kizaru or Aokiji? what you have is selective reading there again due to your biasness.

 

[A v i]

How is it baseless? Vergo when not in his full body CoA mode made a huge dent in a steel wall, that wasn't even his full body CoA mode...

So that puts him levels above Pica? :Omg:

 

[Dr Strangelove]

How are you certain that Pica is weaker than Vergo? Have you seen him go all out?......and pre timeskip smoker wasnt that much above Zoro because after that fight with Mr 1 Zoro learned Haki....so therefore he could cut smoker.

Np, but we've pretty much seen all Pica can do, Vergo already showed he would have been able to damage Pica. Plus Vergo has some decent speed feats. He also could coat himself entirely in CoA...how on earth would Pica damage him at all?...

And maybe he unlocked (I personally aren't so sure about that) but he clearly couldn't control it freely. If he did unlock it, it was a freak occurrence. Similar to Luffy's CoO outburst at Marineford. He couldn't control it, but it was a glimpse.

 

[Zorø]

Np, but we've pretty much seen all Pica can do, Vergo already showed he would have been able to damage Pica. Plus Vergo has some decent speed feats. He also could coat himself entirely in CoA...how on earth would Pica damage him at all?...

And maybe he unlocked (I personally aren't so sure about that) but he clearly couldn't control it freely. If he did unlock it, it was a freak occurrence. Similar to Luffy's CoO outburst at Marineford. He couldn't control it, but it was a glimpse.

1. No we have not the fight with Pica and Zoro aint done yet U_U.

2. You have a point U_U....but I still dont think smoker was stronger sorry if I seem biased but nope I cant see it not after what happened to him on punk hazard.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

So that puts him levels above Pica? :Omg:

Well it shows he could damage him in his basic form let alone his full body one which should be considerably stronger.

1. No we have not the fight with Pica and Zoro aint done yet U_U.

2. You have a point U_U....but I still dont think smoker was stronger sorry if I seem biased but nope I cant see it not after what happened to him on punk hazard.

Well...it kinda is from the looks of things...imo anyway.

Like I said, if Zoro had been in his place the same thing would have happened to him.

 

[A v i]

Again you missed the point I'm trying to make...the title of one character does not automatically equal their strength how is that so hard to comprehend?

Title of a character in a crew or organisation matters a lot. Don't mix things just because it supports your point. Look at world gov and WG alone don't mix pirate crews with it. Now,look at power rankings in WG. Garp is special exception so leave him alone.using Garp to justify power scaling in WG is same as saying that a class room is filled with shitty students coz one of them failed in a test. Now tell me,Have u ever seen an admiral being weaker than a VA? Or at least tell me this, Have u ever seen two admirals being on two different levels of strength?

Now we are talking about Jokers crew and his crew alone so we should follow the rules of Jokers crew.Don't use WG logics in a pirate crew.

Smoker fighting Luffy is pre-timeskip? Are you sure I remember even when in Tashigi's body the first thing Smoker did was attack Luffy so it seems to me when they meet again the same thing will occur not to mention Luffy himself stated it wouldn't be fun to fight Smoker unless Smoker could use his full power and Luffy would only ever class a fight as fun if the person he was fighting was actually a challenge to him.

Challenging someone for a fight is different from being as strong as him. Things are totally different after time skip and Smoker is currently considerably weaker than Luffy.

You're Zoro = Luffy statement at Whiskey Peak would be true if it wasn't for the Enes Lobby arc where it was clearly shown by the use of Douruki (or however you spell it) that Luffy was fighting a far superior opponent.

That's what I was saying, things'll change with time in same way Luffy left Smoker in dust after time skip.

I see you've ignored all the moments Sanji and Zoro have been rivaled such as when they battled opponents in Enes Lobby with a power difference of 20 or when the moment the two met after timeskip they practically started fighting and throughout the series the two have always argued, threatened and fought each other.

You are overlooking what u just said in your above statement: Strengths of Luffy and Zoro drastically changed from WP to Enes lobby. What exactly makes u think Zoro and Sanji'll still remain same?

Bold: Not really baseless means there is nothing to prove my statement while feats are far greater than false hype and a title which is all Pica has come back when Pica can bend metal walls with purely the after shock of his Haki blows.

There is no feat that puts Vergo over Pica.

Well it shows he could damage him in his basic form let alone his full body one which should be considerably stronger.

Pre TS Zoro with no haki proved to be able to cut the rocks,now you are not going to tell me that Pre TS Zoro can stand a chance against Pica are you?

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Pre TS Zoro with no haki proved to be able to cut the rocks,now you are not going to tell me that Pre TS Zoro can stand a chance against Pica are you?

Obviously not, what i'm saying though is Vergo can damage Pica...how on earth does Pica damage him when he is absolutely coated in CoA and has shown the best use in CoA so far...rocks aren't going to do the trick buddy.

 

[A v i]

Obviously not, what i'm saying though is Vergo can damage Pica...how on earth does Pica damage him when he is absolutely coated in CoA and has shown the best use in CoA so far...rocks aren't going to do the trick buddy.

Point is how long can Vergo keep destroying walls? any large scale attacks from Vergo that can destroy everything with single blow?

We are not giving any credit to his title of highest executive in any argument.You are talking as if Pica depends totally on his DF and can't use haki. If he's not stronger than others then why exactly joker gave him that title? Of course there is nothing that suggests so I won't say that he can but he should be able to use haki. Vergo showed better haki so he can beat him isn't a good argument? hell even Luffy didn't show that kind of feat does that mean Vergo > Luffy?

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Point is how long can Vergo keep destroying walls? any large scale attacks from Vergo that can destroy everything with single blow?

We are not giving any credit to his title of highest executive in any argument.You are talking as if Pica depends totally on his DF and can't use haki. If he's not stronger than others then why exactly joker gave him that title? Of course there is nothing that suggests so I won't say that he can but he should be able to use haki. Vergo showed better haki so he can beat him isn't a good argument? hell even Luffy didn't show that kind of feat does that mean Vergo > Luffy?

Well judging from the fact he fought and man handled Law...and then did the same to Smoker suggests he can fight strong opponents for long periods of time (yes, I know he had Laws heart, it's the time though we are on about, his stamina).

...it's not just the fact he has CoA. It's the fact he just takes sh*t head on and doesn't even flinch. Pica cannot break his CoA clearly since he took repeated attacks from Law and Smokers attacks which were infused with CoA.
Bottom line, from what we have seen, Vergo can damage Pica but Pica can't damage Vergo...that's it.

 

[Love Cook]

Point is how long can Vergo keep destroying walls? any large scale attacks from Vergo that can destroy everything with single blow?

We are not giving any credit to his title of highest executive in any argument.You are talking as if Pica depends totally on his DF and can't use haki. If he's not stronger than others then why exactly joker gave him that title? Of course there is nothing that suggests so I won't say that he can but he should be able to use haki. Vergo showed better haki so he can beat him isn't a good argument? hell even Luffy didn't show that kind of feat does that mean Vergo > Luffy?

Get Zoro's **** out of your mouth it talks a lot easier.

Pica is the highest officer between Trebol and Diamante, Vergo was on a whole other level.

 

[Black Mamba]

He wasn't backing it up until today though. All he was doing was blocking and slashing. The fight isn't over yet.

he's clearly been backing it up the whole time hence him saying "you think you can take the captains head at this level?" while pica is breathing heavily and zoro is just smiling.

Nope. We don't know that. Also, the fact that Pica can dodge by moving in and out of his titan or the ground itself doesn't mean he'd get neg-diffed and doesn't take away points from him. This is like taking points from Kizaru because he can use his light to "run" away. Also known as dodging. We don't know if Pica has been going into that titan or not and most likely he hasn't, he only went there to take out Robin, Bart and the Tontattas

pica full went through the stone when zoro tried to slash after easily dodging pica's attack and then pica tries to do a sneak attack on zoro which he again easily dodged while talking to robin.

In this case you can't really say that Pica is legit mountain size. You should use the term small mountain or something along those lines.

Pica is an ant compared to the mountain that Law cut.

LOL rlly? how big do you think this mountain is if pica's titan is an ant compared to it..

."Nothing else" so you're saying that you can give Law's DF to lets say Tashigi and she'll be able to extend room to mountain range and then cut it like Law did? Nah, Law has trained his DF and himself in order to get to the level he is now. People try to make it sound easy.

Law can also cut steel like nothing though, so i don't really see the point Lol

i'm saying zoro and law use different methods to cut, comparing them is stupid.

^ This is what you said. I might've misunderstood it though...

yeah.... i'm saying he used one of his strongest attacks cuz of the size of pica and it had nothing to do with his strength.

 

[A v i]

Get Zoro's **** out of your mouth it talks a lot easier.

Pica is the highest officer between Trebol and Diamante, Vergo was on a whole other level.

Lmao,Why are getting mad over fictional characters? hmm

From where did u pulled this Pica is only above Trebol and Diamante and Vergo is a special exception? Lmao,this guy.hmm
Everyone in family is a executive and pica is highest of them all. Get over it pal.

Well judging from the fact he fought and man handled Law...and then did the same to Smoker suggests he can fight strong opponents for long periods of time (yes, I know he had Laws heart, it's the time though we are on about, his stamina).

...it's not just the fact he has CoA. It's the fact he just takes sh*t head on and doesn't even flinch. Pica cannot break his CoA clearly since he took repeated attacks from Law and Smokers attacks which were infused with CoA.
Bottom line, from what we have seen, Vergo can damage Pica but Pica can't damage Vergo...that's it.

So you think he can beat Pica because he withstood some COA attacks and has shown COA feats and yet he was one paneled by Law who didn't show those qualities?

 

[ethris]

I think Smoker > Zoro and the gap between Smoker and Zoro is shorter than the gap between Luffy and Zoro.
I just think Smoker was already high above Zoro pre skip and Zoro can't handle a top end Vice Admiral at current time. I'm one of the few who doesn't underestimate the third strongest force the Marines have, the Vice Admirals U__U

your kidding right? based off smokers abilities seen against vergo. zoro would own smoker, i think people mistake smoker for being luffys equal rival, this isnt naruto.

 

[Jimmy page]

mehh. Zoro gets hype if he lifts a finger, but says something cool while doing it.

 

[Zorø]

mehh. Zoro gets hype if he lifts a finger, but says something cool while doing it.

Seems like someone is butthurt it wasnt Sanji getting all this hype Lol.

 

[Jimmy page]

Seems like someone is butthurt it wasnt Sanji getting all this hype Lol.

Yeah I'm a Sanji fanboy. I know he's not anywhere as strong as Zoro. It just irks me that Zoro can take a dump and zoro fanboys will have orgasms from it.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

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So you think he can beat Pica because he withstood some COA attacks and has shown COA feats and yet he was one paneled by Law who didn't show those qualities?

I think Vergo can beat Pica because Pica cannot damage Vergo yet Vergo can cause some seriously harmful injuries to Pica. If Vergo can damage steel, he can damage stone. Law cut Vergo in his CoA due to his cutting power that his devil fruit gives him when inside a room. How is this so difficult for you to understand?

your kidding right? based off smokers abilities seen against vergo. zoro would own smoker, i think people mistake smoker for being luffys equal rival, this isnt naruto.

Like I said, switch Smoker and Zoro in that scene Zoro would be in the exact same situation Smoker would have been.

 

[Love Cook]

Lmao,Why are getting mad over fictional characters? hmm

From where did u pulled this Pica is only above Trebol and Diamante and Vergo is a special exception? Lmao,this guy.hmm
Everyone in family is a executive and pica is highest of them all. Get over it pal.

I'm not the one butthurt, look at this thread all the fanboys come to circle jerk over one panel here. You're just spreading lies by saying that everybody is an executive. Just look at the panel Oda made for the DD family and look at the things Doflamingo said about Vergo. It's clear that he isn't one of the three executives but someone who stands above that.

Zoro still hasn't shown any techs to damage Vergo, And his slash wasn't really that impressive if this was his strongest three sword canon. From the shoulder to the hip of Pica's stone form. Luffy, don chinjoa and the king of Prodence did all the same amount of damage, without exerting themselves.

Vergo would go to town on Pica with his haki, but I can't see the slow stone giant landing a hit on Vergo.

Also thanks @-Takasugi- who tried to neg rep me and saying that i'm a Sanji fanboy, but gave me +rep instead. Seems his only braincell was busy worshipping Zoro when he pushed that button.

 

[BISHOPALONE]

Smoker uses a df and that's his strenght. He got no real skills than that df. Zoro got attack and observation haki. He can dodge smoker all day and still hit him with his sword. Zoro will beat smoker. Smoker=sanji