Thats how obito did it

[VongolaX]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. A lot to chew on.

I wonder if we can get a second opinion on both our views? I'm not banking on my theory as fact, it's just it makes a lot more sense to me and seems much less far'fetched than what you're proposing

I mentioned phasing earlier because I was expounding on my idea that Kamui has major plot discrepancies throughout the manga.

Him not using the snipe because of leaving his body vulnerable, like you said, may be plausible.

But so does touching people to bring them in. So why place himself in harms way and go through great lengths to grab someone, if he's able to Snipe from long distances, Kakshi style. My answer- plot discrepancy.

I've always viewed Kakashi's Kamui- offensive.
And Obito's Kamui- defensive.

Do you think they're the same?

I used to, but we can't claim everything that happened to plot.

On top of that, him attacking Rikudou Madara is a perfect example.

He materializes at the last nano second when he touch n warp.

Same concept against minato at the first attempt, the second time minato beat him in timing.

Fu was also warped without being touched, Torune was touched though.

 

[VongolaX]

uh uuu i dunno. perhaps he can mark places now all of a sudden. hes also a sensor bc he couldnt sense sasuke in lava world. ''its within my power''= yeah!




i dont think he has snipe. he just cancelled the kakashiportal bc thats his domain!

When he was with Sakura, he stated that he was getting closer to Sasuke because he can sense him.

 

[Monkey King Enma]

I used to, but we can't claim everything that happened to plot.

On top of that, him attacking Rikudou Madara is a perfect example.

He materializes at the last nano second when he touch n warp.

Same concept against minato at the first attempt, the second time minato beat him in timing.

Fu was also warped without being touched, Torune was touched though.

So in what ways do you think they're different?

Maybe some of these instances can be explained away with higher level thought. But some of them contradict and can only be labeled as an error by Kishi. Either by contradiction or revealed jutsu break-downs not being applicable to earlier examples of the jutsu in action.

However, please remember I'm going by the presupposition that Obito's and Kakashi's Kamui techs are different. (Defensive and Offensive respectively)

uh uuu i dunno. perhaps he can mark places now all of a sudden. hes also a sensor bc he couldnt sense sasuke in lava world. ''its within my power''= yeah!



i dont think he has snipe. he just cancelled the kakashiportal bc thats his domain!

Idk exactly what you mean by "his domain" but You just gave me a brilliant thought- what if he canceled Kakashi's snipe, not by countering it with his own snipe... But by countering it from within the Kamui dimension itself.

This way, I believe is possible because I still think with his MS he can only enact Kamui on himself and things he has direct contact with. (Explains why he needs to touch them to bring them in)

 

[Monkey King Enma]

When he was with Sakura, he stated that he was getting closer to Sasuke because he can sense him.

This is an example of his crazy good sensory skills, I agree. But I disagree he'd be able to simply sense out anyone he wanted from anywhere around the world and jump to their location via Kamui.

I think him marking them just like he marked the dimension is wayyy more plausible

 

[VongolaX]

This is an example of his crazy good sensory skills, I agree. But I disagree he'd be able to simply sense out anyone he wanted from anywhere around the world and jump to their location via Kamui.

I think him marking them just like he marked the dimension is wayyy more plausible

I thought it was Zetsu's doing, but the marking makes sense too.

 

[Monkey King Enma]

I thought it was Zetsu's doing, but the marking makes sense too.

I did read a theory on how his sensing may be boosted by Zetsu and thought it was interesting.

I just reread what I wrote earlier concerning what I think to be contradictions and I don't think I was clear haha. Idk if you understood but I just wna clear it up in case someone else is confused.


Obito has to materialize to drag himself in

Yet he dodges by dragging parts of himself in.

As we seen perfectly in the anime, when KCM Naruto forced him to have his torso in Kamui land, Kakashi was able to punch him.
Then Obito lowered his entire front half of his body plus his head into Kamui land and seen Kakashi.

My point is, if he can instantaneously dodge attacks via Kamui warping away the attacked parts, why not just do that to his whole body all the time?
Forget materializing or entering or exiting as we've seen him do (small circle, his body swirls out)

He should be able to just pop in and out of any place he wants FTG style.

It's how he dodges. Why can't he do it like that all the time to enter and exit this dimension and Kamui dimension?

PLOT DISCREP.

 

[VongolaX]

So in what ways do you think they're different?

Maybe some of these instances can be explained away with higher level thought. But some of them contradict and can only be labeled as an error by Kishi. Either by contradiction or revealed jutsu break-downs not being applicable to earlier examples of the jutsu in action.

However, please remember I'm going by the presupposition that Obito's and Kakashi's Kamui techs are different. (Defensive and Offensive respectively)

I think one eye is for phasing (sending parts) and the other is yet to be revealed.

Because Obito taunted Kakashi that he can use the real power of kamui.

I mean both eyes have the capability of jumping/leaving and ejecting things out of kamui, the only thing kakashi's eyes haven't shown is sending body parts (phase).

So you believe Obito can't kamui off a distance, that would mean Kakashi can use what Obito's "defensive," kamui still too.

Since he pulled an Obito when battling Obito/Madara with juubi.

Only thing Kakashi was yet to show is the phasing ability.

We need to analyze this carefully...

Do you have scans of Obito warping fu or Sasuke?

Idk exactly what you mean by "his domain" but You just gave me a brilliant thought- what if he canceled Kakashi's snipe, not by countering it with his own snipe... But by countering it from within the Kamui dimension itself.

This way, I believe is possible because I still think with his MS he can only enact Kamui on himself and things he has direct contact with. (Explains why he needs to touch them to bring them in)

Well if you think about it, if that were so..,

Kakashi wouldn't be able to use kamui abilities on Obito in the first place.

That would mean all the time he kaumi'ed bm naruto and the Kunai knife, he would of overpowered it.

His mask would not of been touched.

 

[VongolaX]

I did read a theory on how his sensing may be boosted by Zetsu and thought it was interesting.

I just reread what I wrote earlier concerning what I think to be contradictions and I don't think I was clear haha. Idk if you understood but I just wna clear it up in case someone else is confused.


Obito has to materialize to drag himself in

Yet he dodges by dragging parts of himself in.

As we seen perfectly in the anime, when KCM Naruto forced him to have his torso in Kamui land, Kakashi was able to punch him.
Then Obito lowered his entire front half of his body plus his head into Kamui land and seen Kakashi.

My point is, if he can instantaneously dodge attacks via Kamui warping away the attacked parts, why not just do that to his whole body all the time?
Forget materializing or entering or exiting as we've seen him do (small circle, his body swirls out)

He should be able to just pop in and out of any place he wants FTG style.

It's how he dodges. Why can't he do it like that all the time to enter and exit this dimension and Kamui dimension?

PLOT DISCREP.

Oh don't believe that a Obito is half zetsu none sense.

If he was, he would of turned into a tree from kcm naruto's rasengan like all the other white Zetsus.

I meant like how zetsu always sends his clones if to Obito for location/solution.

Like when Sasuke met team 7 again, he sent a zetsu clone for Obito.

Or when black zetsu fought Mei, he sent a white zetsu clone through the roots to tell him what's going on.

Etc

On topic:

Obito's fighting style always waiver in front of naruto and Kakashi, no matter how powerful he is for that matter.

He did need Kakashi to pierce him to in the heart to become the juubi jinchuuriki though.

Obito did say this was a battle to capture and not kill, so that maybe his method of doing so...

There are chances where Obito could just merge from the ground up and suprise attack.

Times were he could of used a genjustu on eye contact (since he put a perfect jinchuuriki in a genjustu before)

Only used mokuton once

Could of used that juubi size Banfuu Ranbuku

Six path Justu and yin yang release...

He simply didn't want to kill them...

As absurd as it sounds, he literally didn't try.

The only time he showed full capability is against rikudou Madara...

 

[AlphaScythian]

marked the place could mean memorize it. Its a whole new dimension after all.

He is a sensor and can warp next to desired target.

A wormhole allows to peak in with his sharingan too.

Being part zetsu he is a land itself, so its like nature oriented sensing

 

[Monkey King Enma]

Oh don't believe that a Obito is half zetsu none sense.

If he was, he would of turned into a tree from kcm naruto's rasengan like all the other white Zetsus.

I meant like how zetsu always sends his clones if to Obito for location/solution.

Like when Sasuke met team 7 again, he sent a zetsu clone for Obito.

Or when black zetsu fought Mei, he sent a white zetsu clone through the roots to tell him what's going on.

Etc

On topic:

Obito's fighting style always waiver in front of naruto and Kakashi, no matter how powerful he is for that matter.

He did need Kakashi to pierce him to in the heart to become the juubi jinchuuriki though.

Obito did say this was a battle to capture and not kill, so that maybe his method of doing so...

There are chances where Obito could just merge from the ground up and suprise attack.

Times were he could of used a genjustu on eye contact (since he put a perfect jinchuuriki in a genjustu before)

Only used mokuton once

Could of used that juubi size Banfuu Ranbuku

Six path Justu and yin yang release...

He simply didn't want to kill them...

As absurd as it sounds, he literally didn't try.

The only time he showed full capability is against rikudou Madara...

Man half of this I agree but the other half doesn't feel right.

I don't believe that he was half zetsu either.

However I really don't think he didn't succeed in his fight against B,Nardawg,Kakashi, and guy simply because he wasn't "trying". I'd actually battle the opposite and say he WAS trying. EXTREMELY hard. Going as far as having multiple Bijuus fire off bijuu-damas in an effort to overcome them.

Also
1 he couldn't do yin-yang release til he became juubi Jin.
2 we don't know how proficient he was at mokuton. Yamato was nowhere near Hashirama either
3 he only had the Rinnegan for a little while so he probably wasn't a complete sage of the 6 paths. Even Madara only showed a few. (Probably takes a lifetime to master like Nagato)
4 against Madara he did virtually nothing lol. Surprised him, tore out the 8&1 tails chakra. That's it. No fight or jutsu exchange. So I don't really understand how that's "full capabity" he showed better capability and skill against those Mist anbu.

marked the place could mean memorize it. Its a whole new dimension after all.

He is a sensor and can warp next to desired target.

A wormhole allows to peak in with his sharingan too.

Being part zetsu he is a land itself, so its like nature oriented sensing

I think that "marking" is a really really weird way of simply saying "remembered " or "memorized" lol.
Also he's never shown to peak through his Kamui wormhole to spy out an area. (That's actually a super good idea though ha.
Lastly, it was Black zetsu who said he was the land itself. Not regular zetsu

Being composed of Zetsu's cells doesn't make him "half-zetsu"

Just like having a prosthetic limb doesn't make you "half-robot"