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I've always wondered.

How does Obito go to his dimension and simply reappear wherever he wants?

Does he simply visualize where he wishes to go and Kamui does the rest?

If that's the case, it doesn't account for how he followed Minato after he used FTG

In last chapter he tells Sakura he "marked" the place. HOW he does it (formula, sharingan trick, etc) is not important.

However, we see in order for him to appear to a desired location he must mark the place or as we've seen vs Minato, mark the person and follow them.

It's cool to understand how he does this BUT major handicaps have been placed on Obito if this is true.

Let's say he needed to get to Egypt to meet up with Aithci so they can solso someone.. It'd be impossible unless he's been there prior to mark the place!

What do you guys think?
 

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thats souns cool and all but no. :)
 

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That's interesting
 

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He followed konan into the ocean, I'm sure that he never was there before.
 
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He followed konan into the ocean, I'm sure that he never was there before.

Yeah and I'm sure he's never been to the place Minato jumped to.

Sooo.. As stated in my thread the only explanation is he marked HER. Not the place.

If he was simply visualizing and focusing where to go how could he have gone to a place he's never been???
 

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he marks the dimensions so it doesn't take as much chakra to kamui back to that dimension he had only ever had 2 dimensions kamui's and the normal one (normal: relative to him) up until now.
 

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im sure he meant that he cant freely enter and leave someone else dimensional jutsu so he left a mark so when he came out of kamui land he would be in kaguya's dimension
 

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he marks the dimensions so it doesn't take as much chakra to kamui back to that dimension he had only ever had 2 dimensions kamui's and the normal one (normal: relative to him) up until now.

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That huge circle that Sasuke came out from, is how he locates different places.


He doesn't need to see how it looks like, he just opens where ever he desire with his eyes.


For other dimensions he needs to scan for it...

He also has more than one dimension
 
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That huge circle that Sasuke came out from, is how he locates different places.


He doesn't need to see how it looks like, he just opens where ever he desire with his eyes.


For other dimensions he needs to scan for it...

He also has more than one dimension

That big circle is only made possible due to Kakashi's offensive Kamui.

Secondly, if it was a jutsu simply based on him concentrating or visualizing a certain area.. How did he follow Minato? Or konan?
 

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That big circle is only made possible due to Kakashi's offensive Kamui.

Obito used the same kamui to stop Kakashi from ripping the gedo's neck during their fight.

If you look closesly when he re-appears in different locations, a small hole appears which he comes out from.

Secondly, if it was a jutsu simply based on him concentrating or visualizing a certain area.. How did he follow Minato? Or konan?

It really doesn't require visualization, just slight concentration(why it takes him longer to jump/warp away)

If he is looking at something/visualizing something at the moment it is completely instant.
(Warping Sasuke away from oonoki's particle Justu)

The only reason why he appeared around minato/Konan's general area is because he is a sensor.

He tried to leave the abyss of explosive tags but couldn't warp away because he was surrounded by explosions.
 
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Obito used the same kamui to stop Kakashi from ripping the gedo's neck during their fight.

If you look closesly when he re-appears in different locations, a small hole appears which he comes out from.



It really doesn't require visualization, just slight concentration(why it takes him longer to jump/warp away)

If he is looking at something/visualizing something at the moment it is completely instant.
(Warping Sasuke away from oonoki's particle Justu)

The only reason why he appeared around minato/Konan's general area is because he is a sensor.

He tried to leave the abyss of explosive tags but couldn't warp away because he was surrounded by explosions.

Hate to hit you with a wall of text but here it goes!

You have some very good points, some of them I already took in mind when I made this thread.

Like the Gedo Mazo. Kakashi was gna take it's head off but Obito stopped it!
That literally makes no sense.

If he could snipe like Kakashi then why go through all the trouble of touching someone to drag them into his dimension? Especially when apparently it takes him longer to take himself in.
With his stamina he might as well snipe anyone or anything he wants.

Secondly, it doesn't even make sense how he "phases" through things. We understand now he dodges things by sending his parts of his body into Kamui dimension.

He does this instantly. Avoiding even the swiftest of attacks. This contradicts the fact that it takes him longer to suck himself in.

This goes hand in hand with the paper bomb scenario. He couldn't jump because Konan knew he had to matierilize to leave, thus be attached to the bombs.

How is that coherent with the new revelation of Kamui we had in his fight against B, Naruto, Kalashi, and Gai? He's dodging everything by opening up MULTIPLE (another discrepancy) portals to hide his body parts getting hit by enemy attacks.

If he can just simply and instantaneously send pieces of his body into the other dimension why doesn't he?
Makes no sense.

Before that fight, if he would've gotten hit with a blast that took up his entire body, there's no doubt in anyone's mind that he would've dodged it. "Oh yeah that's Tobi he can dematerialize, so it's cool" hahaha he would dodge it by sending his whole body to Kamui land.

That shouldn't be possible if
A. Must matieralize to jump
B. Takes longer to suck himself in than other objects

So in scenarios like where he saves Sasuke from Onoki or stops Kakashi I really think they're discrepancies. Or plot holes. Much like how the SA knew his limit for "phasing" (as they thought) was 5 mins, when only Konan should've known that.

Also, we can't just look at one example of him going through Kamui when he's shown many different entrances and exits.

Lastly, we can't simply say "he knew exactly where to go because he's a sensor" lol. Dude that makes him the best sensor ever if he can instantaneously pinpoint an exact person over an extremely large range
 
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Hate to hit you with a wall of text but here it goes!

You have some very good points, some of them I already took in mind when I made this thread.

Like the Gedo Mazo. Kakashi was gna take it's head off but Obito stopped it!
That literally makes no sense.

If he could snipe like Kakashi then why go through all the trouble of touching someone to drag them into his dimension? Especially when apparently it takes him longer to take himself in.
With his stamina he might as well snipe anyone or anything he wants.

Obito counterattack with his kamui, the only reason why he only used it for Sasuke and Gedo mazou is because he is distant.

If he used it through battle, it would leave his body exposed to be attacked.

He's solid when off a distant, same concept applies when he is ejecting objects from dimensions.

Secondly, it doesn't even make sense how he "phases" through things. We understand now he dodges things by sending his parts of his body into Kamui dimension.

He does this instantly. Avoiding even the swiftest of attacks. This contradicts the fact that it takes him longer to suck himself in.

This goes hand in hand with the paper bomb scenario. He couldn't jump because Konan knew he had to matierilize to leave, thus be attached to the bombs.

Well Kay, I never mentioned anything about the phasing...only jumping.

However, if you look closesly at the fight against Danzo's guards or the one against kcm naruto/bee....

Obito has "phased," from up the pillar or from the ground and up?

He would the guy stays underground "phased," but it is a possibility that he uses mayfly of some sort.

I was just confirming that he couldn't warp away because he was surrounded by explosions....

He materializes like you just stated, with both eyes the warp is much faster.


How is that coherent with the new revelation of Kamui we had in his fight against B, Naruto, Kalashi, and Gai? He's dodging everything by opening up MULTIPLE (another discrepancy) portals to hide his body parts getting hit by enemy attacks.

If he can just simply and instantaneously send pieces of his body into the other dimension why doesn't he?
Makes no sense.

That is were kakashi's role come in...

You can't hit Obito's body parts without Kakashi sending you there.

In the latest chapter Obito revealed that he can send things to different dimensions, though Kaguya does it a lot faster.

Against Danzo's guards, he sent both Tofune and Fu to dimensions at seperate times, yet when he phased none of them were able to touch or see his body.

When he warped Danzo's body, he appeared in a completely different location on a lab table.

Before that fight, if he would've gotten hit with a blast that took up his entire body, there's no doubt in anyone's mind that he would've dodged it. "Oh yeah that's Tobi he can dematerialize, so it's cool" hahaha he would dodge it by sending his whole body to Kamui land.

That shouldn't be possible if
A. Must matieralize to jump
B. Takes longer to suck himself in than other objects

Lol, I'm completely aware of that..

But read above as well

So in scenarios like where he saves Sasuke from Onoki or stops Kakashi I really think they're discrepancies. Or plot holes. Much like how the SA knew his limit for "phasing" (as they thought) was 5 mins, when only Konan should've known that.

It's from a distance trust me, his body materializes/solid when using it though.

It's not plot, everybody in akatsuki higher up knows about his kamui power.

He just has other abilities that he kept a secret (chapter 606 page 14-15)

Also, we can't just look at one example of him going through Kamui when he's shown many different entrances and exits.

Lastly, we can't simply say "he knew exactly where to go because he's a sensor" lol. Dude that makes him the best sensor ever if he can instantaneously pinpoint an exact person over an extremely large range

I'm pretty sure we've seen him enter and leave kamui all the same.

A little swirl appears in mid air and he either gets twirled out or in.

In the latest chapter the hole was a lot bigger, it was human size.

Remember when Sasuke ask how did he appear out of nowhere and how he found him? (After a failed chidori attempt)

He stated not to underestimate him, it's within his power.

That and he has zetsu raging along him, do location is no problem.

In the latest chapter, he said he sensed that he was getting closer to Sasuke while scanning dimensions.
 

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uh uuu i dunno. perhaps he can mark places now all of a sudden. hes also a sensor bc he couldnt sense sasuke in lava world. ''its within my power''= yeah!




i dont think he has snipe. he just cancelled the kakashiportal bc thats his domain!
 
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Obito counterattack with his kamui, the only reason why he only used it for Sasuke and Gedo mazou is because he is distant.

If he used it through battle, it would leave his body exposed to be attacked.

He's solid when off a distant, same concept applies when he is ejecting objects from dimensions.



Well Kay, I never mentioned anything about the phasing...only jumping.

However, if you look closesly at the fight against Danzo's guards or the one against kcm naruto/bee....

Obito has "phased," from up the pillar or from the ground and up?

He would the guy stays underground "phased," but it is a possibility that he uses mayfly of some sort.

I was just confirming that he couldn't warp away because he was surrounded by explosions....

He materializes like you just stated, with both eyes the warp is much faster.




That is were kakashi's role come in...

You can't hit Obito's body parts without Kakashi sending you there.

In the latest chapter Obito revealed that he can send things to different dimensions, though Kaguya does it a lot faster.

Against Danzo's guards, he sent both Tofune and Fu to dimensions at seperate times, yet when he phased none of them were able to touch or see his body.

When he warped Danzo's body, he appeared in a completely different location on a lab table.



Lol, I'm completely aware of that..

But read above as well



It's from a distance trust me, his body materializes/solid when using it though.

It's not plot, everybody in akatsuki higher up knows about his kamui power.

He just has other abilities that he kept a secret (chapter 606 page 14-15)



I'm pretty sure we've seen him enter and leave kamui all the same.

A little swirl appears in mid air and he either gets twirled out or in.

In the latest chapter the hole was a lot bigger, it was human size.

Remember when Sasuke ask how did he appear out of nowhere and how he found him? (After a failed chidori attempt)

He stated not to underestimate him, it's within his power.

That and he has zetsu raging along him, do location is no problem.

In the latest chapter, he said he sensed that he was getting closer to Sasuke while scanning dimensions.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. A lot to chew on.

I wonder if we can get a second opinion on both our views? I'm not banking on my theory as fact, it's just it makes a lot more sense to me and seems much less far'fetched than what you're proposing

I mentioned phasing earlier because I was expounding on my idea that Kamui has major plot discrepancies throughout the manga.

Him not using the snipe because of leaving his body vulnerable, like you said, may be plausible.

But so does touching people to bring them in. So why place himself in harms way and go through great lengths to grab someone, if he's able to Snipe from long distances, Kakshi style. My answer- plot discrepancy.

I've always viewed Kakashi's Kamui- offensive.
And Obito's Kamui- defensive.

Do you think they're the same?
 
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