Obito is a misunderstood character in my opinion

[Raekwon26]

Nah not really. Obito did what he did because he felt like the world was ****ed up, he wanted to make a better world because the current world they lived in was causing strife and pain. Rin's death and the circumstances of Rin's death led him to that conclusion, and was his personal drive to do it.

But that's exactly my point.
His whole view on the world changed JUST because of Rin, nothing else.

We were shown by Kishi that Obito travelled to different villages during the times he used Madara's persona.
Are you telling me that throughput his travels, he never saw ONE thing that proved his opinion on the current Shinobi world being corrupted?
Not ONE thing that showed how spiteful and messed up the world was?
No village had corruption in it?
No children being sent on missions they weren't prepared for?

The only thin that swayed his thinking was Rin and that was proven during his defeat (the flashback stuff).
You can't say the same for Sasuke and Madara.

It was pathetic.

 

[Angelic.]

But that's exactly my point.
His whole view on the world changed JUST because of Rin, nothing else.

We were shown by Kishi that Obito travelled to different villages during the times he used Madara's persona.
Are you telling me that throughput his travels, he never saw ONE thing that proved his opinion on the current Shinobi world being corrupted?
Not ONE thing that showed how spiteful and messed up the world was?
No village had corruption in it?
No children being sent on missions they weren't prepared for?

The only thin that swayed his thinking was Rin and that was proven during his defeat (the flashback stuff).
You can't say the same for Sasuke and Madara.

It was pathetic.

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unless you want more flashbacks of things kishi didnt add in for his story. madaras whole life wasnt shown either.

 

[Punk Hazard]

But that's exactly my point.
His whole view on the world changed JUST because of Rin, nothing else.

We were shown by Kishi that Obito travelled to different villages during the times he used Madara's persona.
Are you telling me that throughput his travels, he never saw ONE thing that proved his opinion on the current Shinobi world being corrupted? Not ONE thing that showed how spiteful and messed up the world was?

The only thin that swayed his thinking was Rin and that was proven during his defeat (the flashback stuff).

That's actually not true and not what I'm saying. Rin's death caused Obito grief and strife. It was also the death of someone who was relatively innocent. What caused Obito's grief and the death of someone innocent? The corrupt Shinobi world, the lack of peace of the Shinobi world. Madara took advantage of Obito's grief and gave him that explanation, he explained to Obito that the current system of the world leads to strife and death of even innocent people. Because Obito just experienced those things firsthand, he let that set in his heart. Yes, Rin's death swayed his viewpoint of the world because the circumstances for Rin's death were truth, Madara was able to use that to convince Obito to see things his way.

Of course Obito witnessed other people's grief, case in point was him trying to manipulate Naruto by appealing to the grief Naruto felt. Are you denying that the Shinobi world isn't corrupt, hasn't led to the loss of innocent lives? Rin's death was just Obito's personal experience, Rin's death was a catalyst.

 

[Raekwon26]

That's actually not true and not what I'm saying. Rin's death caused Obito grief and strife. It was also the death of someone who was relatively innocent. What caused Obito's grief and the death of someone innocent? The corrupt Shinobi world, the lack of peace of the Shinobi world. Madara took advantage of Obito's grief and gave him that explanation, he explained to Obito that the current system of the world leads to strife and death of even innocent people. Because Obito just experienced those things firsthand, he let that set in his heart. Yes, Rin's death swayed his viewpoint of the world because the circumstances for Rin's death were truth, Madara was able to use that to convince Obito to see things his way.

Of course Obito witnessed other people's grief, case in point was him trying to manipulate Naruto by appealing to the grief Naruto felt. Are you denying that the Shinobi world isn't corrupt, hasn't led to the loss of innocent lives? Rin's death was just Obito's personal experience, Rin's death was a catalyst.

I'm not denying that the Shinobi world is corrupt, I know it's corrupt.

Also, corruption had nothing to do with Rin's death. Obito thought it was an mission gone wrong until Madara explained to him.
My issue is that, he was so quick to turn on Madara during this war arc, it leads me to question any of the other motives he may have had. It was quite clear that his beliefs differed from Madara's as we found out, so no, Madara may have set the seeds but Obito clearly was showed to still have his own goals and views.

My problem is, that all we got as for other factors shaping his decision was some short panel saying 'All I saw was corruption".
What corruption? What did he see? What did he learn that confirmed his beliefs?
We never got that, it always came back to Rin and that was frustrating to read.
During that flashback with Naruto, we should have seen more deciding factors that shaped his decision.

That's just my opinion.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm not denying that the Shinobi world is corrupt, I know it's corrupt.

Also, corruption had nothing to do with Rin's death. Obito thought it was an mission gone wrong until Madara explained to him.
My issue is that, he was so quick to turn on Madara during this war arc, it leads me to question any of the other motives he may have had. It was quite clear that his beliefs differed from Madara's as we found out, so no, Madara may have set the seeds but Obito clearly was showed to still have his own goals and views.

My problem is, that all we got as for other factors shaping his decision was some short panel saying 'All I saw was corruption".
What corruption? What did he see? What did he learn that confirmed his beliefs?
We never got that, it always came back to Rin and that was frustrating to read.
During that flashback with Naruto, we should have seen more deciding factors that shaped his decision.

That's just my opinion.

Corruption had everything to do with Rin's death. One village placed a demon inside of a little girl to turn her into a time bomb to destroy another village.

You're issue isn't that Obito doesn't have depth, he definitely does. You're issue is that we didn't see every single bad thing that Obito witnessed, which is something we don't need to see.

 

[Raekwon26]

Corruption had everything to do with Rin's death. One village placed a demon inside of a little girl to turn her into a time bomb to destroy another village.

You're issue isn't that Obito doesn't have depth, he definitely does. You're issue is that we didn't see every single bad thing that Obito witnessed, which is something we don't need to see.

It wasn't corruption, it was a set-up by Madara. He even explained it to Obito.

I don't see that as depth.
I would have liked to see more of the 'darkness' the character talked about. He said it was factor in his decision, I would have liked to see some of it.

 

[WalksInShadows]

That's actually not true and not what I'm saying. Rin's death caused Obito grief and strife. It was also the death of someone who was relatively innocent. What caused Obito's grief and the death of someone innocent? The corrupt Shinobi world, the lack of peace of the Shinobi world. Madara took advantage of Obito's grief and gave him that explanation, he explained to Obito that the current system of the world leads to strife and death of even innocent people. Because Obito just experienced those things firsthand, he let that set in his heart. Yes, Rin's death swayed his viewpoint of the world because the circumstances for Rin's death were truth, Madara was able to use that to convince Obito to see things his way.

Of course Obito witnessed other people's grief, case in point was him trying to manipulate Naruto by appealing to the grief Naruto felt. Are you denying that the Shinobi world isn't corrupt, hasn't led to the loss of innocent lives? Rin's death was just Obito's personal experience, Rin's death was a catalyst.

the 100% unfiltered truth....from the guy's own mouth:

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It was always about Rin. He genuinely believed in that other stuff, but none of it had anything to do with him going dark side.

 

[Angelic.]

obito didnt know madara set it up then, and i still dont get how...
i would have liked to see that darkness too. i wanted at least filler with him in it. darn. obito vs yagura? yes pls.

 

[Punk Hazard]

the 100% unfiltered truth....from the guy's own mouth:

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It was always about Rin. Nothing more.

"And everything I saw just confirmed my belief."
Don't pick and choose what part of the scans apply.

 

[~Sasuke~]

He might be misunderstood but he is still awesome.

 

[Klad]

I skimmed it.

Disagree completely. Character is terrible.

Instead of just spouting some bullshit , describe and state why you think so.

 

[Raekwon26]

Instead of just spouting some bullshit , describe and state why you think so.

Pls STFU.

How about you actually read the thread instead of spouting rubbish you idiot?

 

[WalksInShadows]

"And everything I saw just confirmed my belief."
Don't pick and choose what part of the scans apply.

that is after Rin died. No one is picking and choose what panels apply, you're just trying to avoid the truth. When Kakashi asks how come he associated himself with Madara, his literal reply was "because you killed Rin". If it wasn't about her, then how come spent so much time and effort being angry at Kakashi and Minato? That had absolutely nothing to do with trying to change the world.

 

[Klad]

Pls STFU.

How about you actually read the thread instead of spouting rubbish you idiot?

Firstly, I can see you're insecure why you post bullshit around the forums. You tell people to shut up, when you don't even have a decent arguement to support what you just said. Instead of insulting me, insult yourself why you are incompetent.

 

[Raekwon26]

Firstly, I can see you're insecure why you post bullshit around the forums. You tell people to shut up, when you don't even have a decent arguement to support what you just said. Instead of insulting me, insult yourself why you are incompetent.

Pls just STFU.

Why don't you read PG 2 of this thread you idiot.
Just embarrassing yourself further.

 

[Klad]

Pls just STFU.

Why don't you read PG 2 of this thread you idiot.
Just embarrassing yourself further.

Man you're as dull as ever. Frankly, I like how you debate with other topics, but when it comes to Obito, you basically turn into a ... dumbass, really. No offense

 

[Raekwon26]

Man you're as dull as ever. Frankly, I like how you debate with other topics, but when it comes to Obito, you basically turn into a ... dumbass, really. No offense

Nah, just shut up Klad.

You made yourself look like an idiot.
You read one post of mine and jumped to a stupid conclusion instead of reading the thread.

Now, you're trying to save face after actually READIN? the thread?

GTFOH, no time for you're Obito ****-ride rubbish.

 

[Klad]

Nah, just shut up Klad.

You made yourself look like an idiot.
You read one post of mine and jumped to a stupid conclusion instead of reading the thread.

Now, you're trying to save face after actually READIN? the thread?

GTFOH, no time for you're Obito ****-ride rubbish.

Thank you for your input.

 

[Angelic.]

Nah, just shut up Klad.

You made yourself look like an idiot.
You read one post of mine and jumped to a stupid conclusion instead of reading the thread.

Now, you're trying to save face after actually READIN? the thread?

GTFOH, no time for you're Obito ****-ride rubbish.

youre the one who didnt even read the op and just said he sucked until you were pushed...

 

[Punk Hazard]

that is after Rin died. No one is picking and choose what panels apply, you're just trying to avoid the truth. When Kakashi asks how come he associated himself with Madara, his literal reply was "because you killed Rin". If it wasn't about her, then how come spent so much time and effort being angry at Kakashi and Minato? That had absolutely nothing to do with trying to change the world.

Yes, he didn't go back to Konoha and stay with Kakashi and Minato because they let Rin die. Yes, that had nothing to do with changing the world, but was that all Obito was allowed to feel? Is he only allowed to feel like changing the world because of what he saw, or wanting to change the world because of a personal vendetta against it? Obito's resolve to change the world was caused by a personal vendetta, and his resolve was reinforced by what he witnessed as he traveled the world under his guise of Madara.