[VS] top 10 most intelligent shinobi

[Bogard]

Not gonna bother with the portrayal crap,
minato got fooled multiple times against his fight with juubito and madara,
and you being butthurt that i put sasuke just one spot over him is not my problem, since sasuke has shown impressiive intelligence and tactics as well (his fight against deidara, orochimaru, itachi & danzo) which is more than minatos (against tobi, and kyuubi),

I guess i'll have to defend Minato here Firstly i'd like you to show me one instance where he got fooled in this war. Secondly, the "bad" thing i remember is him not figuring out the senjutsu weakness of the truth seeking balls when Naruto and Tobirama could, but you must also pay attention that it happened when he was emotionally struggling.

He is the one who knows Obito the most and wasn't understanding his actions and trying to understand and bring him back to reason all the time, again demonstrated when he was the only one who tried to save him even after they defeated him and telling him it's likely the reason he was brought back as an edo tensei. Now i can understand if you said Minato was emotionally unstable, but it has nothing to do with intelligence

He showed great analytical capacities even in this war if you pay great attention. Firstly, he(and Obito for the matter) was a step ahead of Tobirama in the plan to get rid of Bijudamas. Tobirama thought the only solution was to teleport them one by one forgetting the possibility just to teleport the tree itself.

Later in the arc, he showed great qualities of leadership, analytical prowess and teamwork with people he just met

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1- Gaara prepare sand to move Kakashi closer to Madara
2- Lee supports Gaara during the lil trip and keep one of his kunai for him to help Gai against the black spheres with his hiraishin technique
3- Kakashi uses Kamui to warp the black orb allowing Gai to strike Madara down

Best analytical skills

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And this i think was one of the greatest intelligence and strategical feat in the entire manga, analysing and creating a strategy on the spot with people you didn't even know an instant ago is insane. I think the only one(to my knowledge) who managed this besides him is Shukaku

 

[ARGUS]

I guess i'll have to defend Minato here Firstly i'd like you to show me one instance where he got fooled in this war. Secondly, the "bad" thing i remember is him not figuring out the senjutsu weakness of the truth seeking balls when Naruto and Tobirama could, but you must also pay attention that it happened when he was emotionally struggling.

He is the one who knows Obito the most and wasn't understanding his actions and trying to understand and bring him back to reason all the time, again demonstrated when he was the only one who tried to save him even after they defeated him and telling him it's likely the reason he was brought back as an edo tensei. Now i can understand if you said Minato was emotionally unstable, but it has nothing to do with intelligence

He showed great analytical capacities even in this war if you pay great attention. Firstly, he(and Obito for the matter) was a step ahead of Tobirama in the plan to get rid of Bijudamas. Tobirama thought the only solution was to teleport them one by one forgetting the possibility just to teleport the tree itself.

Later in the arc, he showed great qualities of leadership, analytical prowess and teamwork with people he just met

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1- Gaara prepare sand to move Kakashi closer to Madara
2- Lee supports Gaara during the lil trip and keep one of his kunai for him to help Gai against the black spheres with his hiraishin technique
3- Kakashi uses Kamui to warp the black orb allowing Gai to strike Madara down

Best analytical skills

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And this i think was one of the greatest intelligence and strategical feat in the entire manga, analysing and creating a strategy on the spot with people you didn't even know an instant ago is insane. I think the only one(to my knowledge) who managed this besides him is Shukaku

I change my mind
I guess minato would be in the same ballpark as kakashi in terms of intelligence

 

[WalksInShadows]

Lel, says the guy who put Sasuke over Minato.
Minato is the smartest ninja to ever come out of Konoha. Mangafact.

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Jiraiya said there wasn't a Leaf ninja like Minato after he died, not ever. Idk how someone could've possibly have gotten anything else out of that statement.

1. Shikaku/Black Zetsu
2. Shikamaru
3. Itachi
4. Tobirama
5. Kakashi
6. Madara
7. Kabuto
8. Obito
9. Sasuke
10. Minato

the problems with this list is that Madara was shown to be smarter than both Shikamaru and his dad, Minato is definitely smarter than Sasuke, Tobirama is definitely not smarter than Madara. Just...no....

I think people are overrating minato here..
Yeah he was pretty smart during the nine tails attack but during the war arc against juubito and madara he's made some pretty stupid mistakes...
He is no way near number 1 especially against the likes of kakashi itachi madara and tobirama

Minato couldn't have possibly have known Madara's reflexes and combat capabilities were that good, and he had to do something after all considering what the dude did to his son. As far as Juubito, goes, some of everybody in the alliance were struggling against him; including a number of guys who happened to be on your list. Another number of them were nowhere to be seen after Obito became JJ anyway but you have them higher than Minato.

Not gonna bother with the portrayal crap,
minato got fooled multiple times against his fight with juubito and madara,
and you being butthurt that i put sasuke just one spot over him is not my problem, since sasuke has shown impressiive intelligence and tactics as well (his fight against deidara, orochimaru, itachi & danzo) which is more than minatos (against tobi, and kyuubi),

Minato is a character from the past, so of course a lot of his fights/encounters weren't going to be shown from start to finish.

1. Orochimaru - Created his own dimension. Created his own dimension.
2. Tobirama - Created Edo Tensei and FTG.
3. Black Zetsu - Manipulating the course of things throughout history, instigating the Curse and Cycle of Hatred, manipulating Indra's reincarnations, preparing for Kaguya's return, all while acting the loyal servant.

No one else really compares.

1. Madara is definitely smarter than both Orochimaru and Tobirama.

2. BZ isn't even a ninja. Why are ppl putting him on their list?

Inventions-wise?

1. Tobirama
2. Orochimaru
3. Tsunade

Nobody else other than the above 3 actually "invented" anything out of the ordinary.

this is blatantly false, because there iare truck loads of other invented techniques that were out of the ordinary. Practically all of Orochimaru's arsenal came from stuff Hashirama and Tobirama invented ffs.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Smartness is as always a hard topic to specify but in terms of pure IQ:

1. Shikaku/Shikamaru {Pure unadulterated IQ makes otherwise weak ninja total threats}

2. Orochimaru/Kabuto {scientific geniuses}

3. Tobirama/Minato {inventors, battle smarts}

4. Itachi Uchiha {planning genius (but failed) and battle smarts}

5. Madara Uchiha/Zetsu {schemers}

 

[Gold Lightning]

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I guess i'll have to defend Minato here Firstly i'd like you to show me one instance where he got fooled in this war. Secondly, the "bad" thing i remember is him not figuring out the senjutsu weakness of the truth seeking balls when Naruto and Tobirama could, but you must also pay attention that it happened when he was emotionally struggling.

He is the one who knows Obito the most and wasn't understanding his actions and trying to understand and bring him back to reason all the time, again demonstrated when he was the only one who tried to save him even after they defeated him and telling him it's likely the reason he was brought back as an edo tensei. Now i can understand if you said Minato was emotionally unstable, but it has nothing to do with intelligence

He showed great analytical capacities even in this war if you pay great attention. Firstly, he(and Obito for the matter) was a step ahead of Tobirama in the plan to get rid of Bijudamas. Tobirama thought the only solution was to teleport them one by one forgetting the possibility just to teleport the tree itself.

Later in the arc, he showed great qualities of leadership, analytical prowess and teamwork with people he just met

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1- Gaara prepare sand to move Kakashi closer to Madara
2- Lee supports Gaara during the lil trip and keep one of his kunai for him to help Gai against the black spheres with his hiraishin technique
3- Kakashi uses Kamui to warp the black orb allowing Gai to strike Madara down

Best analytical skills

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And this i think was one of the greatest intelligence and strategical feat in the entire manga, analysing and creating a strategy on the spot with people you didn't even know an instant ago is insane. I think the only one(to my knowledge) who managed this besides him is Shukaku

Bravo. I was about to respond to his post the same way, because I failed to see what intellectual mistakes minato made this war. His intelligence is definitely up there and when it comes to analytical ability, there is arguably no one better than him. I realise that just because minato has a goofy side to him, people use this as a means to downgrade his intelligence.

To add to what you said... It doesn't matter who the opponent is, or how complex the ability is, minato can deduce it

Chidori:
After seeing it once, he's able to determine both the strengths and the utter weakness of the jutsu in seconds:

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Kamui:
A space time jutsu that surpasses his own, and a very complex jutsu that has fooled and beaten plenty of ninja. Yet after escaping it once, he already has figured out the basic mechanics of the jutsu in just that one moment (something Konan needed lord knows now long to study and figure out). He then uses an opportunity to charge at him and then in that one brief encounter he is able to further clarify his initial deductions of the jutsu and immediately figure out its weakness and how to counter it (something that took Kakashi, Gai, Bee and Naruto several chapters to perform):

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This didn't take him more than 5 minutes


Truth Seeking Balls:
Arguably the best of the lot. You've already explained it so well so there's no point in going over it again. But this feat was no small accomplishment, it shows some of the highest levels of genius to take a group of strangers and incorporate their abilities so well, as well as analysing the jutsu of a god and finding its weakness.

Plus rep Bogard

 

[NeutralChaos]

Minato is as stupid and eccentric as Naruto. Hagoromo is the wisest, if not smartest, and then below him would be Madara, who is followed by Shukaku.

 

[DavisBLv]

The ones that i consider most intelligent shinobi are:

1-Shikaku- The hidden Leafs strategist, says a lot bout him.

2- Itachi- well he seemed to be able to asses everything brilliantly, he even broke out of Kabutos control while he was reanimated which i think is really impressive.

3-Shikamru- well taking after his father, and i believe that he will become more intelligent overtime, place him here due to not having enough exp.

4-Minato- cause he planned so far ahead and believed that naruto will succeed.

5- Orochimaru- researched a lot of jutsu in his time and created modified justsu's.

6-Kakashi- really great at analyzing shinobi's and their jutsu's and their weakness's

 

[DavisBLv]

I completely agree with you, i mean its pretty hard to judge whos got more IQ but i believe Shikaku is the most intelligent shinobi since he was the hidden leafs strategist and also the strategist in the war which says to me that he is prob the most intelligent shinobi.

 

[HiddenSound]

Jiraiya said there wasn't a Leaf ninja like Minato after he died, not ever. Idk how someone could've possibly have gotten anything else out of that statement.

the problems with this list is that Madara was shown to be smarter than both Shikamaru and his dad, Minato is definitely smarter than Sasuke, Tobirama is definitely not smarter than Madara. Just...no....

Minato couldn't have possibly have known Madara's reflexes and combat capabilities were that good, and he had to do something after all considering what the dude did to his son. As far as Juubito, goes, some of everybody in the alliance were struggling against him; including a number of guys who happened to be on your list. Another number of them were nowhere to be seen after Obito became JJ anyway but you have them higher than Minato.

Minato is a character from the past, so of course a lot of his fights/encounters weren't going to be shown from start to finish.

1. Madara is definitely smarter than both Orochimaru and Tobirama.

2. BZ isn't even a ninja. Why are ppl putting him on their list?



this is blatantly false, because there iare truck loads of other invented techniques that were out of the ordinary. Practically all of Orochimaru's arsenal came from stuff Hashirama and Tobirama invented ffs.

All of Madara's intelligence feats are a lie.
He... what... made a corpse-like clone by himself... aaaand... that's about it. Orochimaru created a new dimension. Tobirama figured out a way to rip souls out of the afterlife and anchor them to the living world.
They shit on Madara in the field of intelligence.

And Black Zetsu is a ninja. He was always acting in the shadows, manipulating things from behind the scenes without anyone ever finding out, all to complete his objective. Ninja is synonymous with tool, which is what Black Zetsu is.

 

[Joker]

Orochimaru hands down. Everything this dude studied tied in with Kaguya in some way. This knowledge alone was able to make Hiruzen admit inferiority, he tampered with everything causing alot of major events to take place BECAUSE his experiments. This dude found a way to transfer his soul into other bodies, and eat the hosts soul and house it in his own dimension. He found a way to split his mind into thousands of seals in which he can come out of incase he's somehow destroyed. He vamped Tobirama's Edo Tensei to another level, and did it with ease. Even Tobirama was surprised at how casually he performs it.

 

[Black Wolf]

this is blatantly false, because there iare truck loads of other invented techniques that were out of the ordinary. Practically all of Orochimaru's arsenal came from stuff Hashirama and Tobirama invented ffs.

Yeah, because it's not like I rated Tobirama above Orochimaru or anything like that.

 

[~Sky~]

It's subjective. A lot of characters, like the Nara's, are known for their brains but are never really able to do much because they're so lacking in strength.

Tobirama, Orochimaru, Itachi, Madara, Minato, guys like them are the top tier for me.

 

[LustyLover]

It's subjective. A lot of characters, like the Nara's, are known for their brains but are never really able to do much because they're so lacking in strength.

Tobirama, Orochimaru, Itachi, Madara, Minato, guys like them are the top tier for me.

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[KingHashirama]

No Hashirama...... . wtf is this list.

Brah if you got Tobirama/Minato/Itachi in there.. and you ain't got Hashirama.. then there is something wrong with that.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Intelligence differs in every area. To find out the smartest, the most one would be the one who scored most points.

1). Madara - He was extremely cautious in his plans. The way he intelligently set out Nagato's darkness and Obito's darkness, having to manipulate their surrounding, so that he would manipulate them and turn them to pawns, was the definition of true genius and mastermind. Not only that, he can formulate ABC plans, if ever one of them would fail. Furthermore, he demonstrated great knowledge in medical areas, such as: Creating a Hashirama clone, using Gedo Mazo's powers to enhance them, and treat Obito's wounds.

2). Tobirama - He possess a lot of intellectual qualities in every area. He can analyze the enemy's technique, and observe counters to them. He was the one behind the political handling of Konoha, and constructed many warfare camps. Like Madara, he has medical knowledge as he was able to experiment Madara's body to learn the secrets of Sharingan. And his invention of many techniques.

3). Orochimaru - A doctor in the best way of description. He studied and hypothesized the Sharingan's origins, and he was right that the Sharingan comes from the Rinnegan. He created methods of immortality, and even went to the depth of creating his dimension through science alone.​

Loving the Madara wank. He got duped by an old niga, get over it.

 

[~Sky~]

Black Zetsu may be one of the smartest characters too. I mean, he's lived through it all and has manipulated generations.

 

[KingHashirama]

Brah you ain't even got Tsunade in there... <<<< Best Medical ninja... something that requires extreme intelligence.

 

[naruto7861]

Brah you ain't even got Tsunade in there... <<<< Best Medical ninja... something that requires extreme intelligence.

this topic is complicated that's why I made this thread and to see people's opnions I forgot about tsunade but hashirama I don't think he's smart he hasn't had to make hard decisions or choices in bad situations I personally think if he was smart and thought ahead he would have know people would have taken his cells which he didt know

 

[TheEvilOne]

Tsunade should definitely be here. She is one of the greatest scientists of the manga who invented several high level techniques and created the system of the medical ninjas, a system that is used all over the world. Not only this, but she was the one who suggested every team must have a medical ninja.