[Question] Who is the Strongest Captain Right Now?

[Forbidden Tale]

No matter what you say about Kenpachi, it won't change the fact that Ichigo's much much stronger than Kenpachi right now. And you're wrong, Ichigo's rank is based both on Power and Potential. If Kenpachi was so special, then why didn't all the sternritter focus their attention on him? Because they knew he didn't mean anything to Juha. Which is why they all Ganged up on Ichigo, all eight of them. Instead of going 1v1. They knew that was the only way of beating Ichigo, because if they went 1v1, he'd wreck them.

1. I never said that Kenpachi is stronger than Ichigo.
2. About part of power and potential of Ichigo, it's not really point and don't change anything about my previous point, so why that bother you at all?
3. But, I will repeat Ichigo's rank in SWP is based on his potential. Why?? At the beginning of war, there were tons of people stronger than Ichigo (Kyoraku, Ukitake, Unohana), but they are not SWP.

Just face it already, Kyoraku and Ukitake are the strongest Captains. How many times has Yamamoto said it? ''Come to think of it, your strengths have always been above the rest.'' ''When it comes to battle, your complementary abilities work phenomenally together. That power is unrivaled by Anyone Who Came Before You and Everyone Since" See? Yama just practically said that Kyoraku and Ukitake are practically stronger than he 1st generation Captains. Kenpachi is not weak, but he's not the strongest either. If Kenpachi was that much of a threat, then why didn't Juha personally kill him before he went to the Royal Palace? He was well aware of the fact that Kenpachi was the one who killed Gremmy right? But did Juha even falter? Nope.

1. If Yama's statament is true. It would mean Kyoraku or Ukitake > Yama, Kyoraku or Ukitake > Aizen, Kyoraku or Ukitake > Urahara, Kyoraku or Ukitake > Unohana, Kyoraku or Ukitake > Isshin, all these characters came before or after them. And I would also agrue that Shinji is stronger than Kyoraku or Ukitake and also Zaraki of course.

2. You took to literal Yama's statament. He said that due to respect, for them.

3. Shinji already said that if Zaraki is killed, war be over, even though they still have Kyoraku, what that say to you??

4. As you can see Yhwach don't give a shit about anything. How do you know what Yhwach's plan is? Maybe he want to kill SK and become new one, just like Aizen wanted, and when he become one, there will be no reason to kill others, didn't you thought about that? Aizen didn't kill anyone in FKT, but many of thems were very strong.

Why did Haschwalth immediately go over to Kyoraku to try and kill him? Because he knew that besides Ichigo, Kyoraku would be a major problem. If he felt that Kenpachi would be stronger since he's a SWP and Kyoraku's not, then why didn't he go after Kenpachi? Because he wasn't worried either. And about the whole SWP nonsense, there are still 2 people on the list whom we do not know, so stop saying ''Kenpachi is stronger than Kyoraku because he's on the SWP list an Kyoraku's not." If that's the case, then are you implying that Kenpachi is even stronger than Yamamoto just because he didn't make the list? If Kenpachi had so much potential, then he would have been invited to the Royal Palace along side Ichigo, Renji, Byakuya and Rukia. If he was there, he would have even had Ichibei Hyōsube tell him the name of his Zanpakuto. The main reason why Kenpachi survived his encounter with Gremmy was just because Gremmy was stupid and arrogant.

1. Because of his title, since Kyoraku is CC. Zaraki at that time was still locked in Muken, so Hashwalth couldn't come and comfirm him instead of Kyoraku. Also Kyoraku is leader, and killing leader is one of enemies main goals in war, how strong leaders are, it's pretty much irrelevant.

2. Yhwach already said that Yamamoto is strong enough to be SWP, but he is not one, since he become "soft" and he is not strong as he was 1000 years ago, that's reason why Yamamoto wasn't listed as one. You have just 2 unknown SWP, and since Kyoraku's powers are matured, he can't get stronger, chances for him to be SWP and not Unohana, Urahara or Isshin are low. Also Kenpachi (as currently weakest SWP) is quite above Kyoraku in my opinion, one more reason to believe that Kyoraku is not one. I'm to lazy to search now, but I think that Dagger even confirmed that last two SWPs aren't shinigamis.

And as i've been saying, Kyoraku is stronger than Kenpachi simply because he's a Master Swordsman, and a Master Strategist and Tactican. Just imagine, Kyoraku was fighting on par with Starrk with only his sealed Zanpakuto! That's a pretty impressive feat. Meanwhile, Kenpachi was struggling to fight the 5th espada. So yeah, Kyoraku > Kenpachi

It was back than.

 

[The 1 who knows]

No matter what you say about Kenpachi, it won't change the fact that Ichigo's much much stronger than Kenpachi right now. And you're wrong, Ichigo's rank is based both on Power and Potential. If Kenpachi was so special, then why didn't all the sternritter focus their attention on him? Because they knew he didn't mean anything to Juha. Which is why they all Ganged up on Ichigo, all eight of them. Instead of going 1v1. They knew that was the only way of beating Ichigo, because if they went 1v1, he'd wreck them.
Just face it already, Kyoraku and Ukitake are the strongest Captains. How many times has Yamamoto said it? ''Come to think of it, your strengths have always been above the rest.'' ''When it comes to battle, your complementary abilities work phenomenally together. That power is unrivaled by Anyone Who Came Before You and Everyone Since" See? Yama just practically said that Kyoraku and Ukitake are practically stronger than he 1st generation Captains. Kenpachi is not weak, but he's not the strongest either. If Kenpachi was that much of a threat, then why didn't Juha personally kill him before he went to the Royal Palace? He was well aware of the fact that Kenpachi was the one who killed Gremmy right? But did Juha even falter? Nope.
Why did Haschwalth immediately go over to Kyoraku to try and kill him? Because he knew that besides Ichigo, Kyoraku would be a major problem. If he felt that Kenpachi would be stronger since he's a SWP and Kyoraku's not, then why didn't he go after Kenpachi? Because he wasn't worried either. And about the whole SWP nonsense, there are still 2 people on the list whom we do not know, so stop saying ''Kenpachi is stronger than Kyoraku because he's on the SWP list an Kyoraku's not." If that's the case, then are you implying that Kenpachi is even stronger than Yamamoto just because he didn't make the list? If Kenpachi had so much potential, then he would have been invited to the Royal Palace along side Ichigo, Renji, Byakuya and Rukia. If he was there, he would have even had Ichibei Hyōsube tell him the name of his Zanpakuto. The main reason why Kenpachi survived his encounter with Gremmy was just because Gremmy was stupid and arrogant.
And as i've been saying, Kyoraku is stronger than Kenpachi simply because he's a Master Swordsman, and a Master Strategist and Tactican. Just imagine, Kyoraku was fighting on par with Starrk with only his sealed Zanpakuto! That's a pretty impressive feat. Meanwhile, Kenpachi was struggling to fight the 5th espada. So yeah, Kyoraku > Kenpachi

Another funny 1.... this is hiw war works... kill the leader... demoralise the troops... you saw what happened after yama was dead... right,? Haschwalt went after shusui to try and achieve this.... not because he was stronger than kenny also look at the expression haschwalt had when kenny attacked fake bach vs the one he had when attacking shusui..... use logic and tell me what it tells you?
yama. Simply said that because they were his favorite students.... i mean kyoraku was oractically his son.... and if they were unrivaled... why did he stop training kenny? And if kyoraku is unrivaled.... why isnt he in squad zero?
Kenny wasnt invited to the royal palace because unlike the others.... his injuries were not beyond. Saving. They were taken there because ni 1 in ss ciuld do. Anything 4 them... simple... also its a miracle he n unohana are in ss... seing as they were former criminals... unohqna said that herself... so what do you think are the odds of him a crijinal going to the royal palace..... and with your argument then why wasnt yiur kyoraku a member if squad zero seing that he is soooooo strong?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

No matter what you say about Kenpachi, it won't change the fact that Ichigo's much much stronger than Kenpachi right now. And you're wrong, Ichigo's rank is based both on Power and Potential. If Kenpachi was so special, then why didn't all the sternritter focus their attention on him? Because they knew he didn't mean anything to Juha. Which is why they all Ganged up on Ichigo, all eight of them. Instead of going 1v1. They knew that was the only way of beating Ichigo, because if they went 1v1, he'd wreck them.
Just face it already, Kyoraku and Ukitake are the strongest Captains. How many times has Yamamoto said it? ''Come to think of it, your strengths have always been above the rest.'' ''When it comes to battle, your complementary abilities work phenomenally together. That power is unrivaled by Anyone Who Came Before You and Everyone Since" See? Yama just practically said that Kyoraku and Ukitake are practically stronger than he 1st generation Captains. Kenpachi is not weak, but he's not the strongest either. If Kenpachi was that much of a threat, then why didn't Juha personally kill him before he went to the Royal Palace? He was well aware of the fact that Kenpachi was the one who killed Gremmy right? But did Juha even falter? Nope.
Why did Haschwalth immediately go over to Kyoraku to try and kill him? Because he knew that besides Ichigo, Kyoraku would be a major problem. If he felt that Kenpachi would be stronger since he's a SWP and Kyoraku's not, then why didn't he go after Kenpachi? Because he wasn't worried either. And about the whole SWP nonsense, there are still 2 people on the list whom we do not know, so stop saying ''Kenpachi is stronger than Kyoraku because he's on the SWP list an Kyoraku's not." If that's the case, then are you implying that Kenpachi is even stronger than Yamamoto just because he didn't make the list? If Kenpachi had so much potential, then he would have been invited to the Royal Palace along side Ichigo, Renji, Byakuya and Rukia. If he was there, he would have even had Ichibei Hyōsube tell him the name of his Zanpakuto. The main reason why Kenpachi survived his encounter with Gremmy was just because Gremmy was stupid and arrogant.
And as i've been saying, Kyoraku is stronger than Kenpachi simply because he's a Master Swordsman, and a Master Strategist and Tactican. Just imagine, Kyoraku was fighting on par with Starrk with only his sealed Zanpakuto! That's a pretty impressive feat. Meanwhile, Kenpachi was struggling to fight the 5th espada. So yeah, Kyoraku > Kenpachi

He said they powers work well together meaning when they fight as a team he was not talking about individualy an also at that time zaraki won't at full power yet not even a shikai....also why being ichigo in this?...they did want to kill zaraki aswell they just lucky zaraki had his eye patch on an held back they all went after ichigo cuz he's #1 on the list an the main character..

An juha had to take leave the moment ichigo arrived that's why he did not go to zaraki an kill him lol he did not even go to ichigo an try to kill him so wat you saying?...zaraki with his potential unlocked an bankai yea will be stronger than Yama that's why zaraki is on the list...rukia an renji an Byakuya won't invited cuz they had potential they were invited cuz they are the ones ichigo cared for the most during the first invasion..an no zaraki beat gremmy cuz zaraki was to strong lol he littlery could not imagin him self beating zaraki lol...

Zaraki was fighting a guy that was holding six swords at once to zaraki one sword that's why he was getting cut up...while kyoraku with two swords could not land a hit on a guy holding one sword at the time smh...now zaraki is the greates swordsman now hands down.

Ps:you only become a squad zero member if you create something in ss you don't become a part of squad 0 because of your strenght...an also Yama won't a swp because he became soft not weaker..soft as in he started caring about things instead of just being a blood thirsty killer.

 

[RuckenTM]

Since you guys know quite a lot is Toshiro strong?

 

[ssjelf]

Since you guys know quite a lot is Toshiro strong?

As toshiro admitted himself, the difference in his shikai and bankai is not much so I do not think he is particularly strong for a captain. However he also doesn't have the same experience yet and he was definitely hailed as a genius. He did do a lot of training after aizen arc so that he could control his bankai better, but unfortunately we haven't seen him use it much since. He might be the weakest captain currently but he is also still a kid, and in a few more years he will probably surpass some of the current captains and in a 100 he may be one of the strongest.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Since you guys know quite a lot is Toshiro strong?

He is average captain level, he was able to beat third espada, Zaraki and Byakuya around same time latters beat fifth (Zaraki's case, quite hard) and seventh (In Byakuya's case, but quite easier than Zaraki), so I would say that at this time Toshiro was quite stronger than both Zaraki and Byakuya.
I think that he was unfair forgoten in war arc, unlike Zaraki and Byakuya who got more development in power, I'm still pissed off why wasn't he taken to RR, he is one of most talented guy in Bleach, and for sure more talented than any other shinigami who was taken to RR.
Aizen even admited that Toshiro is very talented if memory serves me, and Kyoraku said that Toshiro will suprass him in 100 years, which is again quite impressive, considering that Kyoraku is captain for at least 300 years and he was around quite more than that. So, by Kyoraku's statament, I could even see Toshiro surpasing Yamamoto in about 1000 years, which is still impressive and I also see him being next CC, but too bad that we probably will never see Hitsugaya 1000 years older.

 

[-Akuma-]

Special War Powers are based on both powers and potentials. Yhwach said that Yama could make to SWP list, but isn't there since he is soft, at that time, Yama was very old and he didn't have potential to go any higher in power level, that mean that if he was SWP, that would be because of power, not potenrial, Most probably Aizen, as well who said that he already hit his prime. Kenpachi's and Ichigo's rank is based on potential.

So you admit it's not completely on strength, so Kenpachi has more potentially the Ukitake and Shunsui doesn't mean he's stronger now, that's my point you can't just say he's stronger because he's a SWP.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

So you admit it's not completely on strength, so Kenpachi has more potentially the Ukitake and Shunsui doesn't mean he's stronger now, that's my point you can't just say he's stronger because he's a SWP.

Lol yea an zaraki potential has been unlocked putting him pass kyoraku an ukitake.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

So you admit it's not completely on strength, so Kenpachi has more potentially the Ukitake and Shunsui doesn't mean he's stronger now, that's my point you can't just say he's stronger because he's a SWP.

Yeah, but I also can use other "feats" to back up my stataments.

 

[-Akuma-]

Yeah, but I also can use other "feats" to back up my stataments.

Use them then. Because Kyroaku>Kenpachi for me

 

[ssjelf]

Allow me to point out something about all the war potentials. Every one of them so far has the ability to keep their bankai from being stolen and used against them.

Ichigo: Has hollow aspects so his bankai cannot be stolen. This means he can kill sternritters.
Aizen: Doesn't need Bankai to defeat sternriters. No possibility for it to be stolen and even if he had to use it, they would already be in his illusion and in reality they didnt steal it.
Zaraki: No Bankai but now that he has unlocked his potential he doesn't need it to defeat sternritters.

To me this means that for at least these three, they are dangerous to Bach's army because the sternritters can't steal their Bankai and use it against them. Now this doesn't mean much anymore because of Urahara, but perhaps this is the qualification that gets them on this list. The ability to defeat sternritters without Bankai. Urahara is probably also on their because of his ability to keep the bankai from being stolen. TO me this means that Kyoraku isn;t on it because he needs Bankai to compete but Zaraki doesn't, however this does not mean zaraki is stronger, it just means that kyoraku couldn't fight the sternritters until now.

Basically my point is that the zaraki and Kyoraku debate comes down to one thing. Does kyoraku using bankai give him enough of a power boost to defeat Zaraki with eyepatch off and true shikai.

Basically this
zaraki true shikai>Kyoraku shikai
Kyoraku bankai> zaraki true shikai
Kyoraku bankai ??? zaraki with eyepatch off/ true shikai

A better way to put it is this:

Kyoraku shikai<< zaraki with eyepatch off/ true shikai

Is kyoraku's bankai able to overcome this difference? I believe so as it can have up to a ten times power boost. It is for sure a stronger power up then removing the eyepatch but I am unsure of how much bigger and I am unsure that it can remove the gap because true shikai zaraki> shikai Kyoraku.

All that being said I do not believe that true shikai zaraki has an overwhelming advantage over shikai kyoraku. (Wouldn't be a close fight but Kyoraku wouldn't be beat instantly.) I also don't think that removing the eyepatch is a bigger powerup than bankai. This means that Kyoraku bankai has the possibility to close this gap and beat zaraki. It would be a close fight I am sure. But personally I beleive Kyoraku could win but without more facts, we cannot know for certain.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Allow me to point out something about all the war potentials. Every one of them so far has the ability to keep their bankai from being stolen and used against them.

Ichigo: Has hollow aspects so his bankai cannot be stolen. This means he can kill sternritters.
Aizen: Doesn't need Bankai to defeat sternriters. No possibility for it to be stolen and even if he had to use it, they would already be in his illusion and in reality they didnt steal it.
Zaraki: No Bankai but now that he has unlocked his potential he doesn't need it to defeat sternritters.

To me this means that for at least these three, they are dangerous to Bach's army because the sternritters can't steal their Bankai and use it against them. Now this doesn't mean much anymore because of Urahara, but perhaps this is the qualification that gets them on this list. The ability to defeat sternritters without Bankai. Urahara is probably also on their because of his ability to keep the bankai from being stolen. TO me this means that Kyoraku isn;t on it because he needs Bankai to compete but Zaraki doesn't, however this does not mean zaraki is stronger, it just means that kyoraku couldn't fight the sternritters until now.

Basically my point is that the zaraki and Kyoraku debate comes down to one thing. Does kyoraku using bankai give him enough of a power boost to defeat Zaraki with eyepatch off and true shikai.

Basically this
zaraki true shikai>Kyoraku shikai
Kyoraku bankai> zaraki true shikai
Kyoraku bankai ??? zaraki with eyepatch off/ true shikai

A better way to put it is this:

Kyoraku shikai<< zaraki with eyepatch off/ true shikai

Is kyoraku's bankai able to overcome this difference? I believe so as it can have up to a ten times power boost. It is for sure a stronger power up then removing the eyepatch but I am unsure of how much bigger and I am unsure that it can remove the gap because true shikai zaraki> shikai Kyoraku.

All that being said I do not believe that true shikai zaraki has an overwhelming advantage over shikai kyoraku. (Wouldn't be a close fight but Kyoraku wouldn't be beat instantly.) I also don't think that removing the eyepatch is a bigger powerup than bankai. This means that Kyoraku bankai has the possibility to close this gap and beat zaraki. It would be a close fight I am sure. But personally I beleive Kyoraku could win but without more facts, we cannot know for certain.

Him removing the eye patch was like a bankai to him, you seen how Byakuya was useing bankai to take on yammy while zaraki was fighting with his eye patch still on he also took out three letter Quincy with his eye patch still on an he won't even close to his full power back then an he won't useing two hands on his sword.

Potential unlocked,shikai,patch off,two hands (kendo)>>>kyoraku with bankai just my opinion thoe.

 

[ssjelf]

Him removing the eye patch was like a bankai to him, you seen how Byakuya was useing bankai to take on yammy while zaraki was fighting with his eye patch still on he also took out three letter Quincy with his eye patch still on an he won't even close to his full power back then an he won't useing two hands on his sword.

Potential unlocked,shikai,patch off,two hands (kendo)>>>kyoraku with bankai just my oppion thoe.

I don't think it has the power increase of a bankai. When he fought ichigo he didn't get even five times stronger, maybe twice as strong. I am unsure if it seals an amount of his power or a percent. Probably a percent because if it was a fixed amount it would become useless to even use it. But I doubt it seals much more than 50% of his power.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Use them then. Because Kyroaku>Kenpachi for me

Why? It's your opinion, I respect, I don't want to bother..

 

[The 1 who knows]

I don't think it has the power increase of a bankai. When he fought ichigo he didn't get even five times stronger, maybe twice as strong. I am unsure if it seals an amount of his power or a percent. Probably a percent because if it was a fixed amount it would become useless to even use it. But I doubt it seals much more than 50% of his power.

P. S kennys reiatsu with the eye patch on is equal to that of byakuya.... and we know the nibles of ss have abnormally high reiatsu..... so kenny withiout an eye patch has lots n lots of reiatsu

 

[ssjelf]

P. S kennys reiatsu with the eye patch on is equal to that of byakuya.... and we know the nibles of ss have abnormally high reiatsu..... so kenny withiout an eye patch has lots n lots of reiatsu

Unfortunately we aren't comparing Byakuya to Zaraki. Removing the eyepatch doesn't give the same power increase as going Bankai. Whether or not Kenpachi removing his eyepatch makes him as strong as Byakuya in bankai is a moot point. I was discussing Kyoraku. Removing the eyepatch isn't as useful as a bankai. This means that Kyoraku's bankai may be stronger than zaraki with the eyepatch off. Reiatsu doesn't win you fights either.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Unfortunately we aren't comparing Byakuya to Zaraki. Removing the eyepatch doesn't give the same power increase as going Bankai. Whether or not Kenpachi removing his eyepatch makes him as strong as Byakuya in bankai is a moot point. I was discussing Kyoraku. Removing the eyepatch isn't as useful as a bankai. This means that Kyoraku's bankai may be stronger than zaraki with the eyepatch off. Reiatsu doesn't win you fights either.

@bold:that's not what aizen said

Anyway he talking about Kenny an Byakuya during the first arc...now compare current patched Kenny to Byakuya in ss arc I bet current zaraki with eye patch on is way stronger than that Byakuya could ever hope to be do you not understand how much power zaraki locked away...an there is no sign that kyoraku got stronger from ss arc to now while zaraki got way stronger..unohana was part of the orginai gotei 13 an the strongest gotei 13 ever an she was no match for zaraki.

Removing his eye patch makes him on bankai level bassicaly because he has so much reiatsu he was the only captain to become captain without a bankai an he beat a kenpachi for his captain spot who possesd a bankai I believe...an after seeing his fight with noritora his eye patch coming off made him stronger than noritora in his release state an as we seen captains needed bankai inorder to beat an espada.

An ichigo needed bankai for grimmjow someone ranked lower than noritora an ichigo was around Byakuya level back then or stronger cuz he even needed his mask to compete with grimmjow.

 

[Darth Atlas]

Considering raw power...... Kenny or byakuya since the zero spud trained him.
Battle experience and etc. Shunsui
Overall..... Not sure I like all the captains they all pretty darn cool abilities past and present.
However I think since you said captains...... ZERO SQUAD!!!!!!

 

[ssjelf]

@bold:that's not what aizen said

Anyway he talking about Kenny an Byakuya during the first arc...now compare current patched Kenny to Byakuya in ss arc I bet current zaraki with eye patch on is way stronger than that Byakuya could ever hope to be do you not understand how much power zaraki locked away...an there is no sign that kyoraku got stronger from ss arc to now while zaraki got way stronger..unohana was part of the orginai gotei 13 an the strongest gotei 13 ever an she was no match for zaraki.

Removing his eye patch makes him on bankai level bassicaly because he has so much reiatsu he was the only captain to become captain without a bankai an he beat a kenpachi for his captain spot who possesd a bankai I believe...an after seeing his fight with noritora his eye patch coming off made him stronger than noritora in his release state an as we seen captains needed bankai inorder to beat an espada.

An ichigo needed bankai for grimmjow someone ranked lower than noritora an ichigo was around Byakuya level back then or stronger cuz he even needed his mask to compete with grimmjow.

I wasn't saying he wasn't bankai level. I was saying that Kyoraku's bankai will give him more of a power boost than Zaraki removing his eyepatch. Zaraki being stronger than a weak ass first arc byakuya means nothing. He is probably still stronger than current Byakuya but that again means nothing. If zaraki was vs an opponent of equal strength in shikai and zaraki removed the eyepatch and the opponent went bankai, then the bankai would be stronger than zaraki. Eyepatch does not equal a bankai. As far as reiatsu goes, that is BS plot no jutsu by Kubo. Its just a way to show the relative strength of someone. I bet zaraki had more reiatsu than yamamoto, but yama woul win.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I wasn't saying he wasn't bankai level. I was saying that Kyoraku's bankai will give him more of a power boost than Zaraki removing his eyepatch. Zaraki being stronger than a weak ass first arc byakuya means nothing. He is probably still stronger than current Byakuya but that again means nothing. If zaraki was vs an opponent of equal strength in shikai and zaraki removed the eyepatch and the opponent went bankai, then the bankai would be stronger than zaraki. Eyepatch does not equal a bankai. As far as reiatsu goes, that is BS plot no jutsu by Kubo. Its just a way to show the relative strength of someone. I bet zaraki had more reiatsu than yamamoto, but yama woul win.

Current zaraki with eye patch on is stronger than kyoraku in shikai..so kyoraku needs bankai to even be on patched shikai zaraki level in the first place so once zaraki eye patch comes off he will be stronger than bankai kyoraku..like I said before zaraki shikai ability has not even been used yet either.

Ss arc zaraki with eye patch on was captain level he took on two captains at once an had the upper hand while they were useing shikai's an one used bankai zaraki still had his eye patch on the while time laughing an sh*t..zaraki was already at a bankai level with his eye patch on an that's was back then imagin him now lol it's ridiculous i know.

An do you think Yama would have stopped training zaraki if he knew zaraki won't going to even reach kyoraku level lol like seriously?..no he stopped training zaraki cu he knew zaraki would reach his level or go above it...central 46 member guy even states zaraki would be unstoppable he says these words with kyoraku standing right there in his face.they even Know kyoraku can't stop the guy with his true power unlocked.

an no zaraki does not have more spirtual pressure than Yama well I don't know bout now but Yama spirtual pressure was felt threw the whole seritei...an I think aizen meant his spiritual pressure was stronger than soi fon's an thats why her shikai had no effect on him.