3rd Raikage's Durability VS Acid based attacks

[KidGamer65]

durability is durability unless shown or implied otherwise.

If things like acid or fire were Sandaime raikage's weakness, Dodai would have said something, yet Dodai said that long range fuutons were the only thing that could damage him.

This right here. If Ribcage Susanoo only melted a bit and protected Sasuke from the Acid, while it takes moves on another level to FRS in penetrating power to damage the Raikage, Mei's Acid Mist isn't going to do anything serious to him, if anything at all.

 

[RicardoA]

The Lightning Cloak does little to nothing for the Raikage's durability. He's know as the ultimate shield because of his body. < This goes say i'll judge both scenarios as one because i don't see the difference.

Mei's acid would definetly burn through his skin, but it would take way too many time of exposure to do any relevant damage. Having said that the Raikage low-diffs her.
Katsuyu and Kaguya's acid doesn't seem like anything special, so i'd say he survives both with little to no damage.

 

[lanakui8]

The Lightning Cloak does little to nothing for the Raikage's durability. He's know as the ultimate shield because of his body. < This goes say i'll judge both scenarios as one because i don't see the difference.

The manga disagrees.

without his RnY, he takes much more damage from a

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Even before Ei used his full powered RnY, his raiton shield was strong enough to deflect sasuke's chidori blade, and reduces chidori's power so much that it barely did anything to him.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

durability is durability unless shown or implied otherwise.

If things like acid or fire were Sandaime raikage's weakness, Dodai would have said something, yet Dodai said that long range fuutons were the only thing that could damage him.

So we have to take Dodai's statement as fact, since he stated only one way specifically. Sweet. Raikage tanks PS, Jinton, and the list goes on.

Considering Sasuke was only burning a little bit, the Third shouldn't be too affected by it.

Except ABC logic doesn't apply here. Susanoo armor prioritizes much different then Raiton armor. Raiton is less air tight then Sussano. Sasuke was burned alot, as acid end up leaking through Susanoo. And even then Mei controls the pH by will

This right here. If Ribcage Susanoo only melted a bit and protected Sasuke from the Acid, while it takes moves on another level to FRS in penetrating power to damage the Raikage, Mei's Acid Mist isn't going to do anything serious to him, if anything at all.

Cut the crap and stop using bad ABC logic acid shares priorities much different then Futon and penetration. Its a fking chemical compound and will react to his flesh and bones. There is no tanking

 

[Strict]

This right here. If Ribcage Susanoo only melted a bit and protected Sasuke from the Acid, while it takes moves on another level to FRS in penetrating power to damage the Raikage, Mei's Acid Mist isn't going to do anything serious to him, if anything at all.

This is like when Muu said that only another Jinton user could beat him, which is Oonoki. This is always this hype used to provoke a certain duel. Fuuton was portrayed as his weakness as it neutralizes the Raiton armor, and long range as the Sandaime is dangerous in close combat. And the alliance were fodder Shinobi, they could use nothing comparable in strength with the Rasenshuriken. Susanoo began to melt after two seconds and Sasuke fell on his knee and suffered from the effect of the mist as well.

 

[KidGamer65]

This is like when Muu said that only another Jinton user could beat him, which is Oonoki. This is always this hype used to provoke a certain duel. Fuuton was portrayed as his weakness as it neutralizes the Raiton armor, and long range as the Sandaime is dangerous in close combat. And the alliance were fodder Shinobi, they could use nothing comparable in strength with the Rasenshuriken. Susanoo began to melt after two seconds and Sasuke felt on his knee and suffered from the effect of the mist as well.

Eh, guess you have a point here.

 

[LuckyMan]

So we have to take Dodai's statement as fact, since he stated only one way specifically. Sweet. Raikage tanks PS, Jinton, and the list goes on.

Well actually my friend, he does tank a PS slash. TBB blow up mountain ranges but PS slash only cuts mountains in two. Going by that, its most likely he tanks them. Jinton has always been iffy to me. It is a long range Wind attack because it still holds the properties of its Wind Nature but its also composed of Fire + Earth. Lightning beats Earth, but Wind beats Lightning so there is no telling how the Jinton will really affect him.

 

[RicardoA]

The manga disagrees.

without his RnY, he takes much more damage from a

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Even before Ei used his full powered RnY, his raiton shield was strong enough to deflect sasuke's chidori blade, and reduces chidori's power so much that it barely did anything to him.

I wouldn't be so sure. He wasn't more damaged than when he got hit by Rasenshuriken seeing has he gave no time to the sealing unit on both ocasions and his body had little to no injuries (

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Futon > Raiton, having the shield on at that time should make no difference because its his weakness and it should be easily destroyed, leaving his body to tank most of the attack.
A similar principle applies for Ay, except in his case he somewhat counter-balanced Sasuke's Chidori.
We didn't see how he deflected Sasuke's blade so... >_>

The 3rd (and even Ay to a lesser extent) was renowned because of his body, that's the source of his amazing durability. Take that away and his cloak doesn't make up for half of it.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Well actually my friend, he does tank a PS slash. TBB blow up mountain ranges but PS slash only cuts mountains in two. Going by that, its most likely he tanks them. Jinton has always been iffy to me. It is a long range Wind attack because it still holds the properties of its Wind Nature but its also composed of Fire + Earth. Lightning beats Earth, but Wind beats Lightning so there is no telling how the Jinton will really affect him.

Jinton when it is release it is no longer a element ... It is just something that breaks something on the atomic level u can't possibly think the third can tank -_- tht that is impossible -/- no one can tank jinton unless u have preta path ...

 

[KidGamer65]

Jinton when it is release it is no longer a element ... It is just something that breaks something on the atomic level u can't possibly think the third can tank -_- tht that is impossible -/- no one can tank jinton unless u have preta path ...

Wrong. Jinton being able to decompose people to particles as small as molecules doesn't mean no one can tank it. By that logic no human can tank FRS because it destroys at the cellular level, but the Raikage tanked it with minor damage. Gudo Dama works just like Jinton, yet a Ribcage's hand tanked it and saved Naruto from the attack. If it was how you said it was, it would have torn through the hand and pierced Naruto.

All that means is that when Jinton destroys something, its reduced to molecular sized particles.

 

[Strict]

FRS doesn't destroy on a cellular level but does damage on cellular level. Jinton's ability is to dissolve the target on a molecular level. When used as a

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, it cut through a forest like butter. In the end, Jinton pulverized 25 Susanoo. It pulverizes anything.

 

[LuckyMan]

FRS doesn't destroy on a cellular level but does damage on cellular level. Jinton's ability is to dissolve the target on a molecular level. When used as a

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, it cut through a forest like butter. In the end, Jinton pulverized 25 Susanoo. It pulverizes anything.

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This looks like a cellular level to me. His body is being erased and it looks like paper, like his being is just vanishing with the wind.

 

[Strict]

Because of the Rasenshuriken's power. A TBB would also turn a human's body to nothing. What doesn't mean that it works on a cellular or molecular level. Rasenshuriken makes damage on a cellular level, as it turns into countless microscopic blades which sever your nerve channels.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Wrong. Jinton being able to decompose people to particles as small as molecules doesn't mean no one can tank it. By that logic no human can tank FRS because it destroys at the cellular level, but the Raikage tanked it with minor damage. Gudo Dama works just like Jinton, yet a Ribcage's hand tanked it and saved Naruto from the attack. If it was how you said it was, it would have torn through the hand and pierced Naruto.

All that means is that when Jinton destroys something, its reduced to molecular sized particles.

..... So what ur saying is u believe raikage tanks it but is reduced to molecular sides particles ?
Besides rasenshuriken is a hit jinton fully envelops u
2 way different attacks with similar properties


Also it states
"When the technique is released, the form expands and surrounds the target. This nature allows the user to manipulate molecules, giving them the ability to disintegrate anything on a molecular level within the boundaries of the three-dimensional "

Meaning it's manipulating while rasenshuriken is destroying
There is difference
It would break up the raikage at a molecular level ....

No one can tank jinton unless has preta path or some type of absorption chakra ability

 

[KidGamer65]

..... So what ur saying is u believe raikage tanks it but is reduced to molecular sides particles ?
Besides rasenshuriken is a hit jinton fully envelops u
2 way different attacks with similar properties


Also it states
"When the technique is released, the form expands and surrounds the target. This nature allows the user to manipulate molecules, giving them the ability to disintegrate anything on a molecular level within the boundaries of the three-dimensional "

Meaning it's manipulating while rasenshuriken is destroying
There is difference
It would break up the raikage at a molecular level ....

No one can tank jinton unless has preta path or some type of absorption chakra ability

Woah there. Jinton kills the Raikage, but it doesn't destroy everything.

That quote came from the wiki, which isn't any kind of credible source. Jinton still has to be strong enough to actually destroy the target, and when it does, its destroyed at a molecular level. I don't see how the bold is relevant.

FRS doesn't destroy on a cellular level but does damage on cellular level. Jinton's ability is to dissolve the target on a molecular level. When used as a

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, it cut through a forest like butter. In the end, Jinton pulverized 25 Susanoo. It pulverizes anything.

I don't see how that changes the original point. If we used that as evidence for its overall power, we'd be saying no human could tank it because it'd damage them on the cellular level. Gudo Dama is

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and Naruto was safe and sound. Just because it turns things to dust, doesn't mean that it'll get past everything. It has to destroy it first to actually destroy it at a molecular level.

That only means Jinton is strong enough to destroy V3 Susanoo, and when Tsunade pumped Onoki full of her chakra, it increased the AoE of the jutsu so it could hit all 25 Susanoo at once. It doesn't mean that it can destroy everything.

 

[lanakui8]

So we have to take Dodai's statement as fact, since he stated only one way specifically. Sweet. Raikage tanks PS, Jinton, and the list goes on.

Wait a second, since when does taking dodai's statement to imply that fuuton is the most powerful basic element against sandaime raikage as fact = taking the literal interpretation of no limits hyperbole statements that his body can withstand any kind of attack?

Goodness gracious, by your logic we can't trust any statement in the manga because some of them are not true. Dodai says long range fuutons were the only thing that could damage him, katon is a very basic element, if Sandaime had some kind of weakness to katons, Dodai would have stated that instead.

I wouldn't be so sure. He wasn't more damaged than when he got hit by Rasenshuriken seeing has he gave no time to the sealing unit on both ocasions and his body had little to no injuries (

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yet it still cut him up

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despite FRS

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Futon > Raiton, having the shield on at that time should make no difference because its his weakness and it should be easily destroyed, leaving his body to tank most of the attack.
A similar principle applies for Ay, except in his case he somewhat counter-balanced Sasuke's Chidori.
We didn't see how he deflected Sasuke's blade so... >_>

Having the elemental advantage doesn't mean that the weaker element is simply negated, all it means is that given both jutsu are on the same level, the stronger element will overwhelm the weaker one. Perfect example is madara's katon vs alliance suiton. They canceled each other out instead of the suiton just overpowering his katon and going forward.

The 3rd (and even Ay to a lesser extent) was renowned because of his body, that's the source of his amazing durability. Take that away and his cloak doesn't make up for half of it.

Sure he's renowened for his body, however the cloak itself was renowned for its durability as well which means it significantly weakens the attack before it even gets to sandaime raikage's body. I doubt sandaime raikage could take a FRS without his RnY up based on how much damage he took from the weaker fuuton.

 

[genii96]

Can people stop comparing acid to frs?,acid is a chemical compound that reacts with flesh and bones,its not a physical attack. Unless his skin dosent react with acid,he gets melted

 

[RicardoA]

yet it still cut him up

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despite FRS

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Its a matter of perspective i'd say.
Temari's team gave him one mild cut along his shoulder, but Naruto FRS didn't leave him in the best condition either. It seemed like he had some cuts all over and there was smoke around his body (friction), i wouldn't say he was stunned but he briefly stopped.

Having the elemental advantage doesn't mean that the weaker element is simply negated, all it means is that given both jutsu are on the same level, the stronger element will overwhelm the weaker one. Perfect example is madara's katon vs alliance suiton. They canceled each other out instead of the suiton just overpowering his katon and going forward.

But Temari and co's Futon was of the highest level (second only to FRS), while the cloak is simply a layer of Raiton, whose main characteristic isn't properly durability. Madara stalemated against the Alliance because their jutsus were weak while his was of the highest level, even though he was at a disadvantage. His Katon would later be completely overpowered by Mei, a high level user of Suiton.
Take the cloak from the Raikage(s) and they're still tanks. Give the cloak to any other character with regular durability and they'll still be injured by most attacks. They use it because it increases their speed more than anything.

Sure he's renowened for his body, however the cloak itself was renowned for its durability as well which means it significantly weakens the attack before it even gets to sandaime raikage's body. I doubt sandaime raikage could take a FRS without his RnY up based on how much damage he took from the weaker fuuton.

Actually, the cloak was noted to increase speed, reflexes and reaction time (

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Claiming it increases one's defences is a plausible and logical assumption, but i doubt it makes any difference in these guys case.

Getting back on topic. I probably didn't make this clear in my first post, but my point was that, if the Raikage can't tank something in base, why would the cloak make any difference?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Wait a second, since when does taking dodai's statement to imply that fuuton is the most powerful basic element against sandaime raikage as fact = taking the literal interpretation of no limits hyperbole statements that his body can withstand any kind of attack?

Goodness gracious, by your logic we can't trust any statement in the manga because some of them are not true. Dodai says long range fuutons were the only thing that could damage him, katon is a very basic element, if Sandaime had some kind of weakness to katons, Dodai would have stated that instead.

You obviously should of know where I was going with this. Your argument holds no water to claim he tanks a chemical compound/ reactant just because he has outstanding tanking abilities.

And no, using fire as your example doesn't equal acid. Both hold much different component.

 

[lanakui8]

Its a matter of perspective i'd say.
Temari's team gave him one mild cut along his shoulder, but Naruto FRS didn't leave him in the best condition either. It seemed like he had some cuts all over and there was smoke around his body (friction), i wouldn't say he was stunned but he briefly stopped.

it didn't just leave a mild cut on his shoulder, it did that across the whole area that the attack hit him, and that was much more damage than FRS did.

But Temari and co's Futon was of the highest level (second only to FRS), while the cloak is simply a layer of Raiton, whose main characteristic isn't properly durability. Madara stalemated against the Alliance because their jutsus were weak while his was of the highest level, even though he was at a disadvantage. His Katon would later be completely overpowered by Mei, a high level user of Suiton.
Take the cloak from the Raikage(s) and they're still tanks. Give the cloak to any other character with regular durability and they'll still be injured by most attacks. They use it because it increases their speed more than anything.

Wait, in no way would giving the cloak to other characters = they'll still be injured by most attacks. The cloak chidori to the heart into a small cut, they'd be completely protected from any attack that was weaker than chidori, even ones as powerful as raiton enhanced blades.
Madara's katon that he used against the alliance wasn't of the highest level, his juubi-sized one is, and that's besides the point which is: fuuton having the elemental advantage does not mean it just treats the RnY as if it isn't there.
Temari and co's fuuton weren't on the same level as the FRS by temari's statements and reaction.

Actually, the cloak was noted to increase speed, reflexes and reaction time (

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Claiming it increases one's defences is a plausible and logical assumption, but i doubt it makes any difference in these guys case.

It's not just plausible, it's logically

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I have absolutely no idea how you can claim the bolded when we not only have explicit evidence of the V1 RnY blocking almost completely stopping chidori,

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and then the part where Sandaime takes far less damage from a far more powerful attack when he has the shield up. Even its name: raiton SHIELD implies it significantly increases the user's defenses.

Getting back on topic. I probably didn't make this clear in my first post, but my point was that, if the Raikage can't tank something in base, why would the cloak make any difference?

....because we are explicitly shown that the cloak greatly increases their durability. IF Sasuke had hit base Ei with his chidori, Ei would be dead right now. If Naruto had hit base Sandaime raikage with FRS, sandaime would be dead right now. So if he can't tank something in base, it does not follow that he can't tank it with RnY, you have to compare how much his defenses increase when he uses the shield.

You obviously should of know where I was going with this. Your argument holds no water to claim he tanks a chemical compound/ reactant just because he has outstanding tanking abilities.

The burden of proof is on you to shown that his durability isn't transitive to that particular damage type, not me.

And no, using fire as your example doesn't equal acid. Both hold much different component.

But the principal for your case is the same for both: that neither are the same as blunt force or piercing damage that sandaime raikage's body has been shown to take. Why would his super durable body conduct heat any less than something that's not as durable?