MS Kakashi in top 10? (Or at least top 15)

[Migster257]

Most people's top tens probably look something like this:

1.Naruto/Sasuke
2.Sasuke/Naruto
3.Madara/Obito
4.Obito/Madara
5.Hashirama
6.Minato/Tobirama
7.Tobirama/Minato
8. Hiruzen
9. Itachi
10. Kabuto

Note: Kaguya, her sons and all that aren't a part of this because I don't really feel like they deserve a spot. They haven't shown much other than hype.

Who would Kakashi replace, you might ask? Well, quite a few of them.

My thinking would be, in a 1v1 fight, they'd probably be in flat land, in about mid-short range from each other.
Keep in mind they all start in base.
-Kakashi Kamui snipes base Naruto's head
-Kakashi Kamui snipes Minato, Tobirama, Hashirama, and Hiruzen
into Kamui land where they never leave
-Kakashi Kamui snipes Itachi's head (Prepared for Itachibase attack)
-Kakashi Kamui snipes Kabuto's head

Let me explain:
As for Naruto, well, his base speed isn't fast enough to dodge a Kamui, as I'm sure everyone should know.
The hokages in edo form will pretty much never die, but they'll be stuck in Kamui land so I'd consider that a win.
Itachi's is debatable (Yes Itachi fans, there's still a chance). His Susanoo can activate before a lightning hits him, which is faster than a Kamui. The main thing is, can Kamui go through a Susanoo? If not, well, he probably loses.
Kabuto doesn't even deserve an explanation.


Some Kamui execution feats:

- Kakashi can canonically warp a human body part in the same time (instant) Obito needs to make it intangible (39)(40)
- Kakashi warps away two Susanoo arrows when both are already at half their way and his Sharingan was still the 3 tomoe one (41)(42)
- Kakashi warps away Minato's Rasengan countered by Juudara really in no time (43), Minato's arm kicked from Madara was hella fast if we think that Minato's body (obviously heavier and so less fast of the arm) went on Gaara so fast that his auto-defense couldn't activate in time
- Kakashi warps away a giant arm of the Gedo Mazo while Madara is already summoning it away with space-time summoning jutsu (44) (Minato couldn't do anything in that situation than ask Kakashi taking care of it)
- Kakashi feints to warp Naruto's Rasengan and then insta-warps away his body before Obito's spikes could hit him, managing to make Obito think that Kakashi missed and he succesfully hit the clone (45)(46)(47). So Kakashi can Kamui away human head sized objects in a more or less instant time and even with fast moving objects/people and unpredictable situations. And he can Kamui away human body sized objects in also nearly istant times, and even giant objects. Thanks to the Kurama's chakra supply from Naruto, Kakashi's Kamui was depicted as a dangerous threat for even the Juubi (48). Just read what is said from databook about Kakashi's Kamui (and that was when it wasn't perfected yet) (49)(50) and what Kakashi says after having faced the Rinnegan and being against one believed to be Uchiha Madara (51). Kakashi's Kamui warped away even Juubi's jinchuriki Madara's Onmyoton Release who nullifies ninjutsu.

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Thanks to Selan for making that amazing, informative thread.

So my top ten would be more like:
1. Sasuke
2. Madara/Obito
3. Madara/Obito
4. Kakashi
5. Naruto
6. Hashirama
7. Minato/Tobirama
8. Minato/ Tobirama
9. Kabuto
10. Itachi
Gigantic wall of text, but if you made it, thank you.

 

[Gagster]

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[LustyLover]

No, Kakashi is fodder. Deal with it.

 

[Mellow]

Minato can use ftg to get out of kamui before he gets fully teleported

 

[A$AP Wap]

Your list is Garbage.
MS Kakashi is probably Top 20ish.[SUB]

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[Migster257]

What is logic?

Something you aren't using. I just posted it, how did you read it that quickly?

 

[Migster257]

Minato can use ftg to get out of kamui before he gets fully teleported

In versus, you have to start all over. Previously placed seals can't be used. Therefore he has to make new ones, throw more ftg kunais, which is definitely not faster than a Kamui.

 

[Migster257]

Your list is Garbage.
MS Kakashi is probably Top 20ish.[SUB]

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Care to explain? Or are you just going to tell me I'm wrong?

 

[Gagster]

Something you aren't using. I just posted it, how did you read it that quickly?

I can read over a 4th grade level, this is by far the worse list I've seen in a while.

 

[Trúth]

Hes not top ten. Not even close.

 

[Migster257]

I can read over a 4th grade level, this is by far the worse list I've seen in a while.

That's cool and all, but you aren't explaining anything, so I can't really argue with you.

You can read past 4th grade level? That's great. Now read past 5th grade level.

 

[LustyLover]

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[Xāvî1]

That's a fodder list. But kakashi with sharingan is in top 15

 

[Migster257]

Lel, why did I expect people to actually say something meaningful instead of telling me I'm wrong.

 

[Kamui Sama]

top 10, above itachi and below tobirama in my list

(pre-so6p powerup, juubi-jins, and kaguya)

with such a powerful one-shot tech that the majority of shinobi have no counter to, its hard not to put him at least top 15

 

[Demonic.]

Hell no. Not even top 15. That's where the Sannin go

 

[Migster257]

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I didn't put Kakashi over Itachi, I said they were equal.
This is also part 1 Kakashi, who was fodder, so it's irrelevant.

 

[LustyLover]

I didn't put Kakashi over Itachi, I said they were equal.
This is also part 1 Kakashi, who was fodder, so it's irrelevant.

The problem is, he still is.

 

[Migster257]

Hell no. Not even top 15. That's where the Sannin go

The Sannin who Kakashi is better than?

He beats Tsunade, for obvious reasons.
Orochimaru is wrecked by Itachi, who is comparable to Obito, who Kakashi was fighting on par with, therefore it would make sense he's better than Orochimaru.
Jiraiya is just raw power. He really has no speed feats to dodge a Kamui.

 

[Black Wolf]

No, MS Kakashi isn't in the top 10 per se. If we speak in "general levels" (i.e. putting people who are of similar power on the same level) then it is possible. For example, this is my personal ranking:

Strongest

1. Kaguya / Juubi Madara
2. Naruto / Sasuke (current iterations)
3. 8th Gate Gai / Juubi Obito
4. Ashura / Indra *

* Ashura / Indra lack Hagoromo powers, so I have no reason to believe them to be stronger than Naruto / Sasuke, who not only got Hagoromo powers but other powers as well (Naruto with tailed beasts, Sasuke with Senju cells and Rinnegan).

Runner-ups

1. SM Hashirama / EMS Madara (Kyuubi)
2. Orochimaru / Kabuto (with Edo Tensei zombies for both)
3. Nagato (healthy with legs)


High-Kage

1. Kabuto (assuming no Edo Tensei)
2. Tobirama / Minato (non-Edo, so no Bijuu Mode)
3. Itachi / Kakashi (War Arc) / Gai (up to 7th Gate)
4. Muu
5. 3rd Raikage
6. 2nd Mizukage
7. Onoki
8. Orochimaru (assuming no Edo Tensei)
9. Jiraiya

So yeah, Kakashi is up there, but there are still a good deal of people I'd rank above him.