MS Kakashi in top 10? (Or at least top 15)

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Minato and Tobirama cannot use previous seals if it means things like Minato having Obito pre-tagged before a VS match even begins. In that case, it is completely valid. Using seals on knives they always have in their pocket anyway isn't against the common mind, IMO.
 

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Kakashi isn't even close. Itachi solos

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Itachi solos a majority of NV? Your point? I did specify in the thread, if you read it, that Itachi was better/equal to Kakashi, so your Itachi fanboyism is irrelevant because he's just one person in a top TEN list.
 

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Minato and Tobirama cannot use previous seals if it means things like Minato having Obito pre-tagged before a VS match even begins. In that case, it is completely valid. Using seals on knives they always have in their pocket anyway isn't against the common mind, IMO.

On the knives? Oh, that's perfectly fine. It's just that, how would they be able to throw those knives before they get Kamui'd?
 

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Itachi solos a majority of NV? Your point? I did specify in the thread, if you read it, that Itachi was better/equal to Kakashi, so your Itachi fanboyism is irrelevant because he's just one person in a top TEN list.

Kakashi still isn't top ten.
 

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Explain? How do the aforementioned people beat him? Or is there someone else in mind?
If so, please, feel free to tell me.

Naruto, Sasuke, Hashirama, Minato, Obito, Itachi, Kabuto, Tobirama, hm.... He may actually be top ten. But only because you took out Kaguya and etc. Also those people i listed are above himU_U
 

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Kakashi used Kamui several pages after he was introduced to Madara. That's not necessarily using it right away. Kisame can spam Suiro Sameodori because he has Bijuu-level chakra reserves, yet he doesn't. Why? Because, 99 percent of the time, the person whomever he would be battling would likely be killed in the process. Like I said, realistically in NV, this would not occur; even if it did, you act as if Kakashi's opponent would lie there awaiting his or her death, when this obviously wouldn't be the case. Itachi can use the Totsuka in the first second of a battle; he doesn't. Naruto can use a TBB in the first second of a battle; he doesn't. The list goes on and on. It doesn't matter whether they physically can or not. You should realize this. It took Kakashi, even when he wasn't IC against Obito, multiple pages to even begin to contemplate using it when he had full control over it. The only time a character is going to use their strongest, unbeatable technique is when we want them to. Odds are the opponent has either found a tactical counter to it or won't give them the chance to use it in the first place.

You have a point, but for these fictional battles/Versus colleseum matches some assumptions can be made considering the character and the conditions we place on these battles.

If Kakashi was against the real Uchiha Madara in a 1 vs.1 would he or would he not attempt to use Kamui right at the beginning? Whether or not Madara can counter is another issue, but given the conditions that he knows of Madara's reputation there is no reason to suggest Kakashi would not use Kamui.

The same thing can be applied to other vs. matchups. If Kakashi knew about Kabuto's abilities and was aware that he was the perpetrator of edo-tensei, it doesn't seem out of character for Kakashi to use Kamui.

Kakashi has also shown that he would use Kamui in other cirucmstances if he was set up for it as well. See the deidara fight, he used it because it was a "long-range combat jutsu" and it was advantageous for him to use it in that situation.

Anyway, I am 90% sure when Tobi first said He was Madara to Kakashi and Naruto, they where talking about Sasuke. The second time they encountered each other he pulled out Kamui at the start, that is not out of character if it happened in the manga.
 

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Naruto, Sasuke, Hashirama, Minato, Obito, Itachi, Kabuto, Tobirama, hm.... He may actually be top ten. But only because you took out Kaguya and etc. Also those people i listed are above himU_U

How do the four hokages dodge/counter Kamui? Minato and Tobirama don't have previous seals in place, well, you know what, this isn't a versus thread, this technically should happen in NV, so Minato and Tobiramo can FTG stomp him.

As for the others, Hashirama, Hiruzen, Kabuto, and BASE Naruto, can't dodge/counter it.
 

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How do the four hokages dodge/counter Kamui? Minato and Tobirama don't have previous seals in place, well, you know what, this isn't a versus thread, this technically should happen in NV, so Minato and Tobiramo can FTG stomp him.

As for the others, Hashirama, Hiruzen, Kabuto, and BASE Naruto, can't dodge/counter it.

Hashirama has sage mode and he stomps Kakashi before he even has the chance to use Kamui or he can simply use a wood clone in his place. Never said Hiruzen, he's fodder. Kabuto has sage mode and amazing sensing and reaction times. Never said Base Naruto.
 

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Hashirama has sage mode and he stomps Kakashi before he even has the chance to use Kamui or he can simply use a wood clone in his place. Never said Hiruzen, he's fodder. Kabuto has sage mode and amazing sensing and reaction times. Never said Base Naruto.

Kamui GG before either of them move. I don't think you get it, Kamui is literally hax. Hashirama can't activate sage mode, much less use a wood clone before he gets Kamui'd. Hashirama isn't known for his speed, he's known for his raw power. Kabuto can't move before he gets Kamui'd, so being able to sense it is irrelevant.
 

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i would just like to say. Nagato should be in your list :) ThankYouBye.
 

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Kamui GG before either of them move. I don't think you get it, Kamui is literally hax. Hashirama can't activate sage mode, much less use a wood clone before he gets Kamui'd. Hashirama isn't known for his speed, he's known for his raw power. Kabuto can't move before he gets Kamui'd, so being able to sense it is irrelevant.

You're completely wrong but ok.
 

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You're completely wrong but ok.

Any speed feats from either to prove I'm wrong?

- Kakashi can canonically warp a human body part in the same time (instant) Obito needs to make it intangible (39)(40)
- Kakashi warps away two Susanoo arrows when both are already at half their way and his Sharingan was still the 3 tomoe one (41)(42)
- Kakashi warps away Minato's Rasengan countered by Juudara really in no time (43), Minato's arm kicked from Madara was hella fast if we think that Minato's body (obviously heavier and so less fast of the arm) went on Gaara so fast that his auto-defense couldn't activate in time
- Kakashi warps away a giant arm of the Gedo Mazo while Madara is already summoning it away with space-time summoning jutsu (44) (Minato couldn't do anything in that situation than ask Kakashi taking care of it)
- Kakashi feints to warp Naruto's Rasengan and then insta-warps away his body before Obito's spikes could hit him, managing to make Obito think that Kakashi missed and he succesfully hit the clone (45)(46)(47). So Kakashi can Kamui away human head sized objects in a more or less instant time and even with fast moving objects/people and unpredictable situations. And he can Kamui away human body sized objects in also nearly istant times, and even giant objects. Thanks to the Kurama's chakra supply from Naruto, Kakashi's Kamui was depicted as a dangerous threat for even the Juubi (48). Just read what is said from databook about Kakashi's Kamui (and that was when it wasn't perfected yet) (49)(50) and what Kakashi says after having faced the Rinnegan and being against one believed to be Uchiha Madara (51). Kakashi's Kamui warped away even Juubi's jinchuriki Madara's Onmyoton Release who nullifies ninjutsu.
 

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No, MS Kakashi isn't in the top 10 per se. If we speak in "general levels" (i.e. putting people who are of similar power on the same level) then it is possible. For example, this is my personal ranking:

Strongest

1. Kaguya / Juubi Madara
2. Naruto / Sasuke (current iterations)
3. 8th Gate Gai / Juubi Obito
4. Ashura / Indra *

* Ashura / Indra lack Hagoromo powers, so I have no reason to believe them to be stronger than Naruto / Sasuke, who not only got Hagoromo powers but other powers as well (Naruto with tailed beasts, Sasuke with Senju cells and Rinnegan).

Runner-ups

1. SM Hashirama / EMS Madara (Kyuubi)
2. Orochimaru / Kabuto (with Edo Tensei zombies for both)
3. Nagato (healthy with legs)


High-Kage

1. Kabuto (assuming no Edo Tensei)
2. Tobirama / Minato (non-Edo, so no Bijuu Mode)
3. Itachi / Kakashi (War Arc) / Gai (up to 7th Gate)
4. Muu
5. 3rd Raikage
6. 2nd Mizukage
7. Onoki
8. Orochimaru (assuming no Edo Tensei)
9. Jiraiya

So yeah, Kakashi is up there, but there are still a good deal of people I'd rank above him.
Pretty much this^^^!! Your list is very accurate my friend!!
 

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He can beat anyone who doesn't have the Ototsuki's power.​
 
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