-Tsunade's Speed-
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Where in any of the feats I provided do you see her run? She isnt using shunshin, she is literally flying through the air at great speeds in 1 jump.
She makes great distances with 1 jump and has shown to react before any other gokage. Also might I add it was her strategy to get to the battlefield with Mabui's tech and it was her idea to bring Mei with FTG.
I would stop arguing with them. Trust me, because she is Tsunade and Sakura is her student ( I know your not ignorant to the levels of Sakura hate on this site and many others) people will just call it invalid and literally say anything to convince themselves its not true. She is faster than all the Gokage except Ay, and not by some huge margin either. Just don't bother brother. U_U
Lol what are you countering? I gave possible reasons as to why the base thinks she's less capable in the speed department and as a fighter overall, i wasn't judging her performances.
The only time i adressed any of her aspects was when i stated she's slower than the average kage level shinobi (which is undeniably true when we look at the databook stats).
Chillax ._.
Black Wolf
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DB stats are just as valid as the manga, given they were written by Kishimoto and are more objective than trying to measure time elapsed by panels. If Kishimoto saw Tsunade as anything close to a speedster, he would not have given her a subpar 3.5 in speed alongside the likes of Part I Sasuke and below the likes of Part I Neji and Lee.
Black Wolf
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DB stats are written by the author and are just as valid as any "feats" you present. The only time they can be invalidated is if a character has shown enough to imply they have outgrown the stats, like Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, and even Sakura. Tsunade has done nothing since the DB3 other than lie in a coma. The only possibility of her improving was her brief fight against Madara, and even then you will be hardpressed convincing anyone she has surpassed her 3.5. Might give her a 4, but implying she had a Saiyan-level zenaki boost from that one fight is bordering delusional.
And as I said already, the "feats" you are using are not feats more so than you trying to play around with cut out scans and misrepresenting facts. One of your "feats" were not consecutive scans (thus absolutely no way of measuring time elapsed) and most posters do not realize this because you aren't posting the actual chapter links but just cut out panels, while the others are attributable to numerous other factors that aren't Tsunade's speed.
And as I said already, the "feats" you are using are not feats more so than you trying to play around with cut out scans and misrepresenting facts. One of your "feats" were not consecutive scans (thus absolutely no way of measuring time elapsed) and most posters do not realize this because you aren't posting the actual chapter links but just cut out panels, while the others are attributable to numerous other factors that aren't Tsunade's speed.
Black Wolf
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Using roof-tier stats as an example for why the DB isn't valid doesn't work. 5 indicates mastery in the field. You can be a master in something while being inferior to someone else. The databook stats are not written relative to other character's stats, but by "set-in-stone" standards. Gai and Kisame, while inferior to Tsunade, have surpassed the threshold necessary to achieve a 5 in strength.
If stats were written relative to other character's stats, everybody would have a DB score of 0 in strength because Tsunade's strength is so far above everyone else that even giving someone a 4.5 in strength would not do her 5 justice.
This repeats with Hiruzen, Orochimaru, and Tayuya's Genjutsu stats when compared to Itachi's. They are inferior to him, but due to the fact that they have surpassed the threshold necessary to achieve a 5, they get that 5. Itachi is heads and shoulders above the threshold necessary to achieve a 5, but he can't get a higher stat simply because there is no higher stat than 5 that one can achieve in the DB.
This alleged "problem" does not repeat itself for anyone who has stats lower than 5 because the DB stat system is based on standards, not relative performance.
If stats were written relative to other character's stats, everybody would have a DB score of 0 in strength because Tsunade's strength is so far above everyone else that even giving someone a 4.5 in strength would not do her 5 justice.
This repeats with Hiruzen, Orochimaru, and Tayuya's Genjutsu stats when compared to Itachi's. They are inferior to him, but due to the fact that they have surpassed the threshold necessary to achieve a 5, they get that 5. Itachi is heads and shoulders above the threshold necessary to achieve a 5, but he can't get a higher stat simply because there is no higher stat than 5 that one can achieve in the DB.
This alleged "problem" does not repeat itself for anyone who has stats lower than 5 because the DB stat system is based on standards, not relative performance.
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battlestatio
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What about Shizune getting a higher speed score in the databook compared to Tsunade? I thought Tsunade is supposed to be portrayed to be leagues above Shizune in just about everything. I think databook is meant to compare the shinobi to other shinobi at their level. Tsunade is slow for a kage tier shinobi but you can't say she is vastly outclassed in speed compared to jounin and even chuunin levels just because of a lower speed stat.
There are discrepancies between the databook and the manga (such as the invocation of Susanoō), but I agree with Black Wolf. Tsunade’s speed has likely not increased past her databook score; and if it has, the author has portrayed it relatively poorly.
battlestatio
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The Yin seal should logically improve one's ability to shunshin because using shunshin requires you to put chakra in your feet to gain a temporary speed boost. There is a reason bijuu chakra and senjutsu chakra increase one's speed.
Black Wolf
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The Susano'o ordeal can be explained away by the fact that nobody actually had Susano'o at the time except for Itachi, and thus the entry was written with him, and only him in mind. You'll see the same issue with Kamui and how the entry implies that any Mangekyo user could awaken the technique with enough training. Both of those issues are attributable to the lack of knowledge the reader had at the time (and Kishimoto obviously wrote it with the reader's knowledge in mind, which is why we don't see the masked man getting listed as a Kamui user in the 3rd DB even though we have already seen the jutsu).
Furthermore, hyperbolic statements (not saying Susano'o / Kamui had hyperbolic entries) can easily be weeded out. Numbers are far more objective than something like "Odama Rasengan can swallow the sky," and trying to write-off stats because they are in the same DB that listed that is simply ignorance on the interpreter's part and inability to weed out hyperbole from fact.
Furthermore, hyperbolic statements (not saying Susano'o / Kamui had hyperbolic entries) can easily be weeded out. Numbers are far more objective than something like "Odama Rasengan can swallow the sky," and trying to write-off stats because they are in the same DB that listed that is simply ignorance on the interpreter's part and inability to weed out hyperbole from fact.
Sakura in the beginning of part 2 should have had a 5 in strength, she passed that threshold. But she only gets a 3, because its only base stats. But using her chakra enhanced strength it would be way higher.
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.Attacking a comrade at striking distance in a non-combat environment is not a speed feat.
This is called you not understanding Sakura's method of combat.
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. Her actual strength is not above average.
Black Wolf
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What makes you think Tsunade is faster than Shizune?
I don't think you understand the point. That, or you are being intentionally dense.
The two were in a non-combat environment, right next to a patient. Despite her words, Shizune has no reason to expect Tsunade to fight her in a hospital. Shizune is standing two feet away from Tsunade as well, so being within striking distance further diminishes one's ability to react. So to sum things up (since you seem to be having trouble understanding):
(1) Shizune wasn't expecting to be attacked in a non-combat environment by her comrade.
(2) Shizune was already within striking distance - literally arm's length away; fights never start at arm's length away in a 4 x 4 room
Tsunade would never have gotten close enough to hit Shizune if she was on guard, expecting to be hit, and wasn't standing literally right next to her. Attacking an unsuspecting opponent is attributable to the opponent not expecting to be attacked there, not the other person's speed.
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