[Discussion] Since we are gettting new nakama Who do you want

[Dr Strangelove]

In real life during civil revolutionary era we had Activist and Radicals The latter who had worked in the dark to eliminate who they thought was the cause of Racism. Namely White people in governmental postions, but they were flawed because racism had become apart of life for normal people.
Like how in one piece. Normal people looked down on Fishmen. Even in the collusiem pirates and low lives and the crow alike all had disdain for Hack. In real life the people that were the cause of the change was the other group
Activist people who had displayed good nature. Not all activist were non-violent or upstanding people but they showed people that were bystanding in real life that the scum they despised was actaully no different than themselves. Like Fish Man tiger. A pirate. He liberated more slaves and brought Fishmen and Humans closer than all the people that burned down government buildings because they changed hearts of the bystanders.

..I don't see how any of what you said is countering my argument.
I said Revolutionaries want a revolution clearly as Dragon has said a ton of times he wants to change the world (and it's systems).

To the normal One Piece citizen (this includes Koala) the Revolutionaries are doing more to change the world than a group of pirates so if her goal is to change something she would side with the Revolutionaries, not a group of 9 people who to the world go round stealing treasure. To use, the readers, we know the Straw Hats don't do this, in fact they do change the world and it's ways accidentally, Luffy especially, but the readers (us) and the people in One Piece (Koala, regular citizens, fodder) don't know what we know. It's called dramatic irony bro.

 

[Tomato God]

..I don't see how any of what you said is countering my argument.
I said Revolutionaries want a revolution clearly as Dragon has said a ton of times he wants to change the world (and it's systems).

To the normal One Piece citizen (this includes Koala) the Revolutionaries are doing more to change the world than a group of pirates so if her goal is to change something she would side with the Revolutionaries, not a group of 9 people who to the world go round stealing treasure. To use, the readers, we know the Straw Hats don't do this, in fact they do change the world and it's ways accidentally, Luffy especially, but the readers (us) and the people in One Piece (Koala, regular citizens, fodder) don't know what we know. It's called dramatic irony bro.

Revolutionarys - Radicals

Pirates - Activist

Luffy Never intends to be the center of attention but no matter who hates him immediatly they end up on his side. Being the worlds star attraction (The Straw Hats) affords you a lot of time to change peoples minds about Fishmen. Even If its accidentally its a by product of being apart of the straw hats. They will always be watched closely and always change things.

The Revs method gets rid of the government that allows it. The Straw hats accidental method of changing things changes the people.

Both the government and most people look down on fishmen as lower creatures.
You have to have both aspects change and just as in real life the more people you change the easier it becomes to have the government change.

For all we know Dragon could use Koala to do just that seeing as its her who wants to carry Jimbies/Fisher Tigers will and Dragon would understand the need to change both the people and the government.

And you dont think the Revs. Not the average person or fodder, The Revs wouldnt know that The straw hats make every place they set foot better. They have island after island to brag on them being different pirates.
FI
Nami's Home town
Skyipea
Alabasta
All the citizens there
Almost Every one who watched Ace's exicution
They all witness the nature of luffy and how simply put it makes things spectacular and better
And your seriously saying his dad wouldnt know that?

The government knows it. Thats why they covered it up everytime.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Revolutionarys - Radicals

Pirates - Activist

Luffy Never intends to be the center of attention but no matter who hates him immediatly they end up on his side. Being the worlds star attraction (The Straw Hats) affords you a lot of time to change peoples minds about Fishmen. Even If its accidentally its a by product of being apart of the straw hats. They will always be watched closely and always change things.

The Revs method gets rid of the government that allows it. The Straw hats accidental method of changing things changes the people.

Both the government and most people look down on fishmen as lower creatures.
You have to have both aspects change and just as in real life the more people you change the easier it becomes to have the government change.

For all we know Dragon could use Koala to do just that seeing as its her who wants to carry Jimbies/Fisher Tigers will and Dragon would understand the need to change both the people and the government.

And you dont think the Revs. Not the average person or fodder, The Revs wouldnt know that The straw hats make every place they set foot better. They have island after island to brag on them being different pirates.
FI
Nami's Home town
Skyipea
Alabasta
All the citizens there
Almost Every one who watched Ace's exicution
They all witness the nature of luffy and how simply put it makes things spectacular and better
And your seriously saying his dad wouldnt know that?

The government knows it. Thats why they covered it up everytime.

Like I said, we know that, regular people in One Piece don't know.
Everything Luffy has done has been covered up by the World Government, and most likely Dressrosa will also.
Like I said, the Revolutionaries are known worldwide to be the ones to change things,
Luffy and his crew aren't.
I feel like a talking clock here since you are completely ignoring what i'm saying.

Luffy and his crew are known to go round and steal treasure to the normal person in One Piece.
Dragon and the Revolutionaries want to change the world and it's systems.
If Koala wants to change something, which side would be more useful to her?

Like I said in my last post, we as readers know better. We know Luffy and his crew do change the world in certain ways and do f*ck up the World Governments credibility, but the readers and regular One Piece characters are different people.

If you don't still don't see what i'm saying, I give up.

 

[Tomato God]

Like I said, we know that, regular people in One Piece don't know.
Everything Luffy has done has been covered up by the World Government, and most likely Dressrosa will also.
Like I said, the Revolutionaries are known worldwide to be the ones to change things,
Luffy and his crew aren't.
I feel like a talking clock here since you are completely ignoring what i'm saying.

Luffy and his crew are known to go round and steal treasure to the normal person in One Piece.
Dragon and the Revolutionaries want to change the world and it's systems.
If Koala wants to change something, which side would be more useful to her?

Like I said in my last post, we as readers know better. We know Luffy and his crew do change the world in certain ways and do f*ck up the World Governments credibility, but the readers and regular One Piece characters are different people.

If you don't still don't see what i'm saying, I give up.

I Get what you are saying. But you are ignoring the fact the government cant erase what they are doing just contain it.

Revs aren't know world wide as good guys when dragons name was brought up at MF the whole world was brought into a panic of terror.
The revs arent good guys in the eyes of NORMAL people. Neither are the straw hats. But The thousands of people that saw and were teher to meet the straw ahts know. Even if the government lies to the world they cant make those moments dissapear. And even further at this point they have crew called god. Luffy is viewed as a savior, Sure not to NORMAL people but to Alot more than just Revs who work in secret.

 

[Jas]

Is the Samurai not a part of their Crew already? Oo

 

[Tomato God]

Is the Samurai not a part of their Crew already? Oo

Kinemon or momo?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Vivi, Rebecca, Monosuke, Kin'emon or Jinbei, someone of them. U_U

 

[Jas]

Kinemon or momo?

Kinemon, is he?

 

[Tomato God]

Kinemon, is he?

No they are hanging together for the time being since he has similar destinations

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I Get what you are saying. But you are ignoring the fact the government cant erase what they are doing just contain it.

Revs aren't know world wide as good guys when dragons name was brought up at MF the whole world was brought into a panic of terror.
The revs arent good guys in the eyes of NORMAL people. Neither are the straw hats. But The thousands of people that saw and were teher to meet the straw ahts know. Even if the government lies to the world they cant make those moments dissapear. And even further at this point they have crew called god. Luffy is viewed as a savior, Sure not to NORMAL people but to Alot more than just Revs who work in secret.

Yes! I know! But they can cover it up, and they have done a pretty darn good job at it since nobody brings up Alabasta.

I never said they were seen as good guys, I said they were seen as people who want change. In Koalas eyes, if she wants to change something she will side with whoever is fighting for change in general, not pirates. You cannot argue otherwise.

 

[Tomato God]

Yes! I know! But they can cover it up, and they have done a pretty darn good job at it since nobody brings up Alabasta.

I never said they were seen as good guys, I said they were seen as people who want change. In Koalas eyes, if she wants to change something she will side with whoever is fighting for change in general, not pirates. You cannot argue otherwise.

Except the People of Alabasta. Its a kingdom. And that is maybe 1mil + people that know. Normal people way more touched by the SH than the revs.
and 1 million plus people that would see them traviling with koala and understand fishmen. Then those 1 million people tell 2 people and then the whole world.

 

[Jas]

No they are hanging together for the time being since he has similar destinations

Oh... I wish he could tag along with his son. They're making the adventure more fun T_T

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Except the People of Alabasta. Its a kingdom. And that is maybe 1mil + people that know. Normal people way more touched by the SH than the revs.
and 1 million plus people that would see them traviling with koala and understand fishmen. Then those 1 million people tell 2 people and then the whole world.

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I have agreed with you that the Straw Hats do end up making social changes wherever they go.
But the regular person doesn't know that. And I said, judging from the fact nobody else brings up Alabasta other than Issho it's pretty safe to assume the World Government did a good job at covering it up.

But if Koala wants something to change, she will go with the people whose goal is to change things, the Straw Hats goal isn't that.
How is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[Tomato God]

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I have agreed with you that the Straw Hats do end up making social changes wherever they go.
But the regular person doesn't know that. And I said, judging from the fact nobody else brings up Alabasta other than Issho it's pretty safe to assume the World Government did a good job at covering it up.

But if Koala wants something to change, she will go with the people whose goal is to change things, the Straw Hats goal isn't that.
How is this so hard for you to understand?

She should go with the people who do change things. Whether or not intentional they get it done.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

She should go with the people who do change things. Whether or not intentional they get it done.

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She doesn't know the Straw Hats do that though...she has been with the Revolutionaries for years, she will have seen examples like Dressrosa being released from the grips of tyrannical leaders...she knows first hand that the Revolutionaries are revolutionaries.

 

[Sherlock.]

Jinbei, Vivi and a Dwarf

 

[WhistleBlower]

Kyros is most likely to join. His a known criminal and cant stay in Dressrosa after all the commosion ends. Itll be a franky situation where he has to join the mugiwara no ichibi's!

 

[Tomato God]

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She doesn't know the Straw Hats do that though...she has been with the Revolutionaries for years, she will have seen examples like Dressrosa being released from the grips of tyrannical leaders...she knows first hand that the Revolutionaries are revolutionaries.

She totally does. She would know luffy's not like that cause she knows sabo. Sabo knows luffy isnt like that. Revolutionaries arent doing anything upfront. Luffy is. Sabo Knows. Koala knows. Its not like luffy doesnt scream his intentions everytime he gets on the phone oh wait.

I am luffy the man who will be the pirate king the freest man in the world. Not I am luffy the biggest baddest theivenist pirate you ever did see.


:I
He says that to like everyone.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

She totally does. She would know luffy's not like that cause she knows sabo. Sabo knows luffy isnt like that. Revolutionaries arent doing anything upfront. Luffy is. Sabo Knows. Koala knows. Its not like luffy doesnt scream his intentions everytime he gets on the phone oh wait.

I am luffy the man who will be the pirate king the freest man in the world. Not I am luffy the biggest baddest theivenist pirate you ever did see.


:I
He says that to like everyone.

Sabo hasn't spoken to Luffy in what, a decade or so?
If the World Governments cover ups have worked, which they clearly have, Koala and Sabo would have no idea.

And I forget wanting to be Pirate King implies you want to get rid of racial hatred...

How do you know the Revolutionaries aren't doing anything up front? The World Government wouldn't deem the Revolutionaires and Dragon such a gargantuan threat if they weren't directly messing with them. If all the Revolutionaries did was make threats they wouldn't be such a huge deal, the World Government would simply think their bark is bigger than their bite.

I have no idea how this is so hard for you to understand, the groups name is the Revolutionaries fgs.

 

[Cromatic]

Violet , Bartolomeo , Bellamy(Though he wouldn't be useful, but the last chapter came as a surprise, maybe Luffy will save Bellamy and make him join StrawHats) ...


I would seriously hate if Oda allowed Rebecca to join the strawhats, seriously Oda, let her facking stay with her dad and stuffs, she has no unique powers, totally useless, will be a fodder, cry baby and nothing but a burden, she doesn't qualify.


ANYONE BUT REBECCA