Obito is overrated.

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But Obito did attack him and he got trolled by intangibility after, bad excuse imho.

I dont think FTG was needed there gai has shown feats to dodge it but he was told to charge on, still FTG cant deal with JJs like kamui can.
It's not really a bad excuse, because it wasn't the intangibility that fooled him, it was Obito pretending to still be on his side that tricked him.

Again, I disagree. Kamui can't deal with the only Juubi Jin we've seen in Madara.
 

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It's not really a bad excuse, because it wasn't the intangibility that fooled him, it was Obito pretending to still be on his side that tricked him.

Again, I disagree. Kamui can't deal with the only Juubi Jin we've seen in Madara.
So obito attacked madara first, then he used intangibility when madara counter attacked. Sorry but he got trolled, i think it was clear which side obito on after that punch and speech U_U

Well let me see, Jin madara has no counter for intangibility, no counter for double kamui speed blitz and all obito has to do is to snipe head off or steal some onmyoudon and stab with it.
Adding double izanagi into equation only raises obito's chances of success
 

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So obito attacked madara first, then he used intangibility when madara counter attacked. Sorry but he got trolled, i think it was clear which side obito on after that punch and speech U_U

Well let me see, Jin madara has no counter for intangibility, no counter for double kamui speed blitz and all obito has to do is to snipe head off or steal some onmyoudon and stab with it.
Adding double izanagi into equation only raises obito's chances of success
Again, it may have been clear to YOU the READER, but you're not in the Manga. Clearly Kishi intended for Madara to get fooled by Obito tricking him, it had nothing to do with intangibility.

Jin Madara has no counter for intangibility? Limbo, game over. An attack Obito can not see, sense or even knows about.
 

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Again, it may have been clear to YOU the READER, but you're not in the Manga. Clearly Kishi intended for Madara to get fooled by Obito tricking him, it had nothing to do with intangibility.

Jin Madara has no counter for intangibility? Limbo, game over
. An attack Obito can not see, sense or even knows about.
How can limbo counter intangibility?it cant hit what not there or izanagi? Limbo are bunch of clones that obito can just blitz around.
 

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How can limbo counter intangibility?it cant hit what not there or izanagi? Limbo are bunch of clones that obito can just blitz around.
Easily.
Limbo is a technique that Madara has shown he doesn't need to do hand seals, focus on his eye to perform and he was able to produce 4.
What's Obito going to do against an attack he has no clue about, can not sense and can not see? He can not do anything against it.

Madara has shown us that he was able to react and counter Kamui. Then it becomes a game of out lasting the other and we all know who wins.
 

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Easily.
Limbo is a technique that Madara has shown he doesn't need to do hand seals, focus on his eye to perform and he was able to produce 4.
What's Obito going to do against an attack he has no clue about, can not sense and can not see? He can not do anything against it.

Madara has shown us that he was able to react and counter Kamui. Then it becomes a game of out lasting the other and we all know who wins.
Obito just activates full intangibility or izanagi and GG limbo. Its fail proof move vs juubi jin.

Wrong madara hasnt shown that. What madara has shown is that he is susceptible for S/T. He trolled FTG but double kamui should be around twice as fast.
Yes it will be the game of outlasting and obito has 5 min of intangibility 20 min of izanagi per each eye and if he is in healthy condition he might just steal way too much juubi chakra from madara and get rikudou senjutsu in addition to kamui.
 

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I just feel that Itachi, even Sasori would have an excellent chance against Obito. Heck, it even took Obito a fair bit of time to kill Konan, and people consider her to be one of the weaker Akatsuki members.
she had prep time and the only one at the time that had an idea of how kamui work. Thats how we found out that he could only stay intangable for 5 minutes ir so, and then prepared 10,000 paper bombs
 

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not to take away anything from his skill, but i think an objective observer can fairly say that fight was more like them vs. Kamui.

if you're referring to his encounter with JJ Madara, he used some of Hashirama's senjutsu that he stole to absorb dmg from the shot he took from Madara. He never fought a JJ anyway because he was busy trying to escape.

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not to say it isn't true, but in any Obito vs. anyone scenario, ppl tend to talk as if his opponent will just stand there and let him 1 shot them with Kamui or that they are entirely incapable of figuring out his Kamui.

this is part of why there are those who believe he is overrated, because he still isn't considered to officially be one of the individuals in ninja history who were able to completely control a bijuu. Certain dialogue after Minato stripped control of it from him pretty much suggested it was a 1 shot deal, not something he could do at any given point.

Konan forced him to use a forbidden jutsu to get the advantage over her. Not only that, but he was getting backed up against the wall by guys Madara soloed with near neg diff. And to top it all off, he had Hashirama's DNA, MS, & 1 of Madara's Rinnegan...and still got beat by Kakashi. Overrated.


not sure what you mean by this :eek:h:
Obito didn't use anything on konan but a few of his uchiha powers

If he used Katon, mokuton, six path techs, or even yin yang release.

Konan would of been neg diff to the 100th power
 

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he got owned by minato
he got owned by Madara
he got owned by kakashi even though he has a rinnegan ...


Naruto and Sasuke defeated him in his Juubi form ..

his reason to be a villian is lame and stupid

if Madara didn't save his ass from the rock he will die like a fodder

no wonder why he is Overrated ..

he was good as Tobi though
 
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