Obito & Tobirama Vs Minato & Kakashi

[Unorthodox]

Location - SA vs juubi
Distance - 55m
Info - Manga
Conditions - Tobirama has 3 edo fodder, This is MS obito he only has 1 of his sharingan, Kakashi is healthy, Minato is alive
Restrictions - RDS,

 

[ARGUS]

Tobirama and Obito win this

--With Tobirama having 3 edos, he will tag them and Obito,, and along with his KB,, his use FTG is expanded,,

--With 3 edos he can use GKF x 3, which would have an AOE that will most likely bypass the limits of Minatos FTG,, if not then it will certainly kill Kakashi since he cant kamui the whole explosion this large without burning himself out completely

--Minatos FCD is also getting evaded or the summons are blown up with GKF,, as Obito can stay on the defensive and stay phase through all of team 2 attacks

--Obito can also take out kakashi through his mokutons and once kakashi is down, Tobirama and Obito make quick work of Minato

 

[LuckyMan]

So... is this Sharingan Kakashi?

 

[Gold Lightning]

The Edo are useless, since the intel is manga. Minato has already seen the jutsu and how it works, plus the jutsu seems to only work after the Edo have received damage since that's where the slips/tags come from (Edo regeneration). Contract seal removes their control or sealing the edos within a gourd toad will take care of them. Sending a shadow clone into the kamui dimension also screws over Obito to be honest.

 

[Oblivionx]

what about kakashi?? is he sharingan kakashi then team minato take it... if not then team 1 should win considering nobody is edo...

 

[KidGamer65]

Tobirama beats Minato with his Edo Fodder, and Obito beats Kakashi.

 

[Bogard]

Team2 wins

I think a fight between Obito and Kakashi can go either way if not Kakashi winning. Obito has no real way to defeat Kakashi with Kamui considering he can come back anytime and Kakashi is the superior taijutsu combattant and can even use clones against Obito's warping and the fight against Minato and Tobirama will all be dependant of speed and hiraishin, both elements in which Tobirama is inferior to Minato. Any long range attacks including edos explosions are useless against Minato

With knowledge, i don't see how the edos are an issue there. It takes time to explode and can only effectively hit when the opponent is restrained(like Jubito was), not to mention when you talk about a teleporter like Minato who can complete 2 warpings before 8 gated Gai can move an inch(inb4 he wasn't going at full speed, i don't believe it!).

The moment Minato would squater his kunais at long range, those explosions would never hit him. Not to mention that like we've seen with Konan, oil can render her unable to use her paper jutsu and edos are made of paper. If Bunta soak the edos in oil, they are basically useless. If Minato put contract seal on them, Tobirama loses control

 

[ARGUS]

Team2 wins

I think a fight between Obito and Kakashi can go either way if not Kakashi winning. Obito has no real way to defeat Kakashi with Kamui considering he can come back anytime and Kakashi is the superior taijutsu combattant and can even use clones against Obito's warping

Even if we assume that Kakashi is bettter than Obito at CQC,, none of his attacks are doing anything to Obito, since the latter has shown to be one of the durable characters in the manga,
not to mention that their fight was all based on Obito trying to get rid of Madaras seal,

Obito can use Kamui much more efficiently and has far more chakra reserves than Kakashi, on top of the fact that Obito can also use his mokutons to attack Kakashi, and overwhelm him to an extent whhere he would be unable to use Kamui to come back,, similar to how it happened in canon, where obito was ffighting BM Naruto, Killer Bee and Guy

and the fight against Minato and Tobirama will all be dependant of speed and hiraishin, both elements in which Tobirama is inferior to Minato. Any long range attacks including edos explosions are useless against Minato

Why are explosive tags (GKF) useless against Minato,
tobirama has 3 edos in this thread, meaning that he can use GKFx3, which would certainly cover the AOE of Minatos FTG and also affect Kakashi, whilst his teammate Obito stays intangible,,

With knowledge, i don't see how the edos are an issue there. It takes time to explode and can only effectively hit when the opponent is restrained(like Jubito was), not to mention when you talk about a teleporter like Minato who can complete 2 warpings before 8 gated Gai can move an inch(inb4 he wasn't going at full speed, i don't believe it!).

@bold - where did you get this from??

The moment Minato would squater his kunais at long range, those explosions would never hit him. Not to mention that like we've seen with Konan, oil can render her unable to use her paper jutsu and edos are made of paper. If Bunta soak the edos in oil, they are basically useless. If Minato put contract seal on them, Tobirama loses control

I think you are underestimating GKF,, Minato is not placing his kunais well out of its range,
the AOE of only one GKF is huge,

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now Tobirama can use this through 3 edos, meaning that the AOE and the effect is multiplied by 3, something which wont be evaded without any prep,

furthermore Tobiramas paper explosions multiply and would start the chain of explosions, thus affecting gamabunta before he manages to negate them through oil

 

[Valhorus]

I want to point out only one thing and it is that those paper explosion from Tobirama are useless . Hiruzen escaped them without Hiraishin . Minato is way more faster than Hiruzen . I hope you get my point .

 

[Bogard]

Even if we assume that Kakashi is bettter than Obito at CQC,, none of his attacks are doing anything to Obito, since the latter has shown to be one of the durable characters in the manga,
not to mention that their fight was all based on Obito trying to get rid of Madaras seal,

A raikiri enhanced kunai almost killed him. Sure he survived, but he was really close to death. By absorbing Jubi it healed him however, so no, Raikiri can still kill Obito. Kakashi was portrayed to have been capable to kill him multiple times if he wanted from the point they entered to the dimension, so regardless of Obito's intent, Kakashi showed superiority in taijutsu and reaction speed

Obito can use Kamui much more efficiently and has far more chakra reserves than Kakashi, on top of the fact that Obito can also use his mokutons to attack Kakashi, and overwhelm him to an extent whhere he would be unable to use Kamui to come back,, similar to how it happened in canon, where obito was ffighting BM Naruto, Killer Bee and Guy

Obito's mokuton attacks are relatively weak and only made for short ranges and lightning attacks can easily cut wood. If he wanted to play like this, Kakashi could dominate him. And like i've said, Kakashi can use clones as well and Obito can't distinguish clones with originals. Not to mention Kakashi can warp Obito as well if he wants to finish him in the other dimension

Why are explosive tags (GKF) useless against Minato,
tobirama has 3 edos in this thread, meaning that he can use GKFx3, which would certainly cover the AOE of Minatos FTG

No it won't. Minato showed the capacity to throw his kunais in ranges far beyond even the Jubi. With knowledge he would do that and could escape GKF range at any time

and also affect Kakashi, whilst his teammate Obito stays intangible,,

Well Minato can make Kakashi come in contact with his chakra to get him out of GKF's range anytime

@bold - where did you get this from??

Because he needed to restrain Jubito before using the jutsu?

I think you are underestimating GKF,, Minato is not placing his kunais well out of its range,
the AOE of only one GKF is huge,

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now Tobirama can use this through 3 edos, meaning that the AOE and the effect is multiplied by 3, something which wont be evaded without any prep,

And Minato still managed to get out of the way with his teammates, didn't he? The range of GKF is multi city block level at best. Minato's range with his kunais is much bigger than that(he can get his kunais at ranges far greater than the Jubi). Hell even Hiruzen managed to escape it in time with footspeed. Not to mention you're also forgetting the fact Tobirama himself can't use them recklessly or he would be killed as well if he doesn't get out of the way somehow. Anytime Tobirama would try to get out of the way, Minato can easily notice this. GKF is a jutsu that requires a lot of timing for the user

furthermore Tobiramas paper explosions multiply and would start the chain of explosions, thus affecting gamabunta before he manages to negate them through oil[/FONT]

No i'm saying he would soak them in oil even before he starts his jutsu. From that point in time, he couldn't detonate the jutsu

 

[Touken]

Team 1 take a solid majority.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obito and Tobirama wins. Obito beats Kakashi with ease. I still see the fool tbogard using that terrible Kamui fight when Obito already confirmed he let Kakashi hit him on purpose gtfoh. Also Obito has a Juubi size Katon that would roast Kakashi and he has Izanagi Kakashi has no chance.

Tobirama and Minato can go either way but if Tobirama can sync up there ftg Minato is a dead man.

 

[ARGUS]

A raikiri enhanced kunai almost killed him. Sure he survived, but he was really close to death. By absorbing Jubi it healed him however, so no, Raikiri can still kill Obito. Kakashi was portrayed to have been capable to kill him multiple times if he wanted from the point they entered to the dimension, so regardless of Obito's intent, Kakashi showed superiority in taijutsu and reaction speed

Obito has been one of the most durable characters in the manga, the dude had the juubi extracted, was stabbed by a susanoo blade, was forced to perform RT, had the GM taken out, was taken over by BZ, and still not only managed to take out portions of ichibi/hachibi out of JJ Madara but also survived long enough to be able to fight JJ Madara alongside kakashi, and place the portions of ichibi/hachibi inside naruto,
raikiri that was through his vital spot had little to no effect on him,

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it didnt kill him, nor did absorbing the juubi have any effect

@bold - as for the reaction speed, i dont want to be unoriginal but Obitos reflexes are much better than kakashi, the dude was keeping up with BM Naruto, Kakashi, Killer Bee and Guy, solely through kamui and reflexes, as they barely managed to land a few hits on him,
Kakashi on the other hand failed to react to susanoo arrow (which is slower than BM Narutos speed alone), to a point that he had to resort to kamui

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Obito's mokuton attacks are relatively weak and only made for short ranges and lightning attacks can easily cut wood. If he wanted to play like this, Kakashi could dominate him. And like i've said, Kakashi can use clones as well and Obito can't distinguish clones with originals. Not to mention Kakashi can warp Obito as well if he wants to finish him in the other dimension

His mokuton attacks dont need to be high in DC, they still have more than enough power to pierce kakashi and hurt him,

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, yes kakashi can use the raikiri, however using kamui alone exhausts him severely and now that he has to kamui

No it won't. Minato showed the capacity to throw his kunais in ranges far beyond even the Jubi. With knowledge he would do that and could escape GKF range at any time

Well Minato can make Kakashi come in contact with his chakra to get him out of GKF's range anytime

Because he needed to restrain Jubito before using the jutsu?

We dont know exactly where the TBB was teleported to?? however its most likely a marking which was placed perhaps during minatos life, here however there is no additional prep time, which is why additional marking prior to the match cant be included, he has to form markings during the battle,
and the fact is that GKFx3 would have a huge AOE

Hell even Hiruzen managed to escape it in time with footspeed. Not to mention you're also forgetting the fact Tobirama himself can't use them recklessly or he would be killed as well if he doesn't get out of the way somehow. Anytime Tobirama would try to get out of the way, Minato can easily notice this. GKF is a jutsu that requires a lot of timing for the user

Tobirama can use a directional GKF, similar to how deidara uses C4, or how Pein used CST, or how Naruto uses TBB
he wont be stupid enough to blow himself up, lol,
not to mention that Obito can kamui Tobirama whilst TObiraam uses his KB and edos to use GKF when the real one is safe,

 

[Rufus ShinRa]

Team one take this med diff............

 

[Beans2]

Team 2 high diff

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito has been one of the most durable characters in the manga, the dude had the juubi extracted, was stabbed by a susanoo blade, was forced to perform RT, had the GM taken out, was taken over by BZ, and still not only managed to take out portions of ichibi/hachibi out of JJ Madara but also survived long enough to be able to fight JJ Madara alongside kakashi, and place the portions of ichibi/hachibi inside naruto,
raikiri that was through his vital spot had little to no effect on him,raikiri that was through his vital spot had little to no effect on him, it didnt kill him, nor did absorbing the juubi have any effect

This part of your post is wrong. Very wrong.

That wound in your scan is Genjutsu. Read further ahead. When Kakashi actually hit him with the Kunai, he almost died and absorbing the Juubi completely healed him, so you are wrong about it having no effect. The rest isn't durability, that's his vitality, and the fact that the Gedo Mazo kept him alive post Rinne Tensei, and Black Zetsu kept him alive after the Mazo was removed from his body, so he didn't even survive on his own after that.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Minato >= Tobirama But The Problem Is Obito > Kakashi So...

 

[Unorthodox]

could go either way imo

 

[ARGUS]

This part of your post is wrong. Very wrong.

That wound in your scan is Genjutsu. Read further ahead. When Kakashi actually hit him with the Kunai, he almost died and absorbing the Juubi completely healed him, so you are wrong about it having no effect. The rest isn't durability, that's his vitality, and the fact that the Gedo Mazo kept him alive post Rinne Tensei, and Black Zetsu kept him alive after the Mazo was removed from his body, so he didn't even survive on his own after that.

ok. Fair nuf
However my point still stands in team 1 winning

 

[LuckyMan]

I want to point out only one thing and it is that those paper explosion from Tobirama are useless . Hiruzen escaped them without Hiraishin . Minato is way more faster than Hiruzen . I hope you get my point .

Not really, Hiruzen is immensely fast. Minato is faster via FTG but in just base speeds, they could possibly be on par if we count Hiruzen's edo feats.