Kisame showed to be at least strong enough to fight equally with Jiraiya.
Nagato said that if he had know Pain's secred, he would have killed all the bodies because he wouldn't have stopped the Frog Song, that he stopped thinking that Pain was all the three bodies he faced first. Itachi was joking to mock Kisame in the opinion that they couldn't have taken Naruto with ease, but feats show clearly Itachi as far better and stronger than Jiraiya.
Hebi Sasuke just said that he defeated Orochimaru with ease because he was in poor conditions already. He didn't say that he was weaker. Also Deidara has more than a shot to defeat Orochimaru, I'd say, with C3 and C4.
Yeah on 2nd Mizukage you're probably right, it's just his feats are strange, I cannot grasp well his real power level.
Kakashi didn't need any help, he was already stronger than Zabuza at the beginning of part 1 and we know how Shippuden Kakashi was stronger than part 1 Kakashi, let alone War Arc Kakashi. Kakashi just wanted to use a strategy to make things sure and easier, if you have comrades why don't use them? It's only logical. This is what Kakashi did of Zabuza when they were 1 vs 1: he blitzed him slashing his arm and piercing his heart with Raikiri in a single move (
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Yeah I mean old Hanzo.
Kisame knew his own strength though, he was known as the "Monster of the Hidden Mist" and his reputation as a "Tailess Bijuu" was quite feared, yet he said Jiraiya was in a different league.
Pein said that if Jiraiya knew their secret, their secret being the real body; Nagato. This was a major plot point for Naruto, something Jiraiya sacrificed himself to figure out for Naruto. Even if what you said were true, it still means Jiraiya had the capacity to beat Pein which was immensely powerful. Also, look at some of the comments; White Zetsu: "That took you (Pein) a long time." Black Zetsu: "He was fighting Jiraiya, afterall." Obito: "The 'invincible' Pein had a hard time against Jiraiya, he lived up to his reputation."
Itachi is "far better and stronger," based on
what? Based on feats, the most powerful character he has outright beaten (with some difficulty) is Kakashi, and this is the same Kakashi that almost shit himself in front of Orochimaru. Other than that, Itachi has only beaten kids and cripples. Jiraiya is also a powerhouse. He has very high stats, he has Sage Mode to augment those stats, and he has access to over 40 powerful and versatile jutsus. Drugged Jiraiya = Armless Orochimaru; Base Jiraiya > KN4; Sage Jiraiya > Nagato.
Itachi didn't even develop a sense of humor until he and Sasuke fought Kabuto, he wasn't joking. Kisame was hesitant to go after Naruto because of Jiraiya, but Itachi went anyway. That was Itachi's out, but he didn't take it.
Karin saw how beat up Sasuke was after fighting Deidara and accused him of being weaker than Orochimaru "Is this the level of the man that took out Orochimaru?!" To which Sasuke replied "Orochimaru was already weakened, that's all it was..." Sasuke was not in the same league as Orochimaru, and opted to attack Orochimaru on his death bed. And even then Orochimaru wasn't trying to kill Sasuke, and he almost won. Had Orochimaru wanted to kill Sasuke instead of trading bodies, he could have while Sasuke was paralyzed, and Orochimaru didn't have his arms and was dying at the time too. Orochimaru basically goaded Sasuke into cutting him to release his poisonous blood to subdue Sasuke; "It's starting to kick in, I see." He purposefully made it "easy."
Well he should be able to do what Suigetsu has done, being a Kage-level Hozuki. His Hydrification ability is a
highly versatile jutsu, and he would had actually been even stronger near water like when Suigetsu merged with a lake and wrestled Gyuuki. His mirage was basically like an unlimited Izanagi, he could hurt you but you couldn't hurt him, and he and his clam were actually chilling a mile away while Gaara and co. were getting their butts kicked by a physical illusion. Jokey Boy, which he should had been able to use in junction with his mirage, was about as fast a 5-gated Lee and was apparently indestructible, the only way to stop it was to cool it down, which it's temperature was around or over 2,000 degrees before it actually exploded. It just touching you could burn your skin off.
When Kakashi first encountered Zabuza, he lost pretty handily and needed Naruto and Sasuke to help him. The second time, Kakashi needed a strategy in order to overcome Zabuza's mist. Then the last time, during the war arc, Kakashi used them help of a Yamanaka and a Nara to try to beat Zabuza, which would had cost him his life if Zabuza's sword wasn't broken. Then yes, they made a mad dash at each other, the quickest being the winner, and Kakashi hit first.
Ok.