Dammit Hashirama

[iFlowMotion]

That is a great idea. Not only would eliminate any future psycho terrorists, but more importantly, it'd ruin Black Zetsu's plan.

No Uchiha = No Naruto No Plot No entertainment just a bunch of good guys running around hugging each other.

 

[KingHashirama]

Love it when people don't use their brains.

- He kills Madara
- the young uchiha who looked up to Madara disagree with allying with the senju
- Hence, the village never happens
- Hashirama possibly turns into a dictator himself
- No peace happens
- Many more people get killed before they even become adults


Kishimoto's opinion regarding Hashirama = A True Hero of the Ages

Your opinion = Stupid man

Madara's arrogance and ignorance, is what led to all this. People like to talk about Hashirama not understanding Madara.. however, it is not his reponsibility to understand Madara.. ok. Its not my responsibility to understand you. If someone if threatening to attack my family or friends, its not my responibility to understand them .

However, lets say if someone is the leader of another nation, and you 2 happened to have the same dream as kids.. a dream that could've ended wars altogether.. you can sure bet that my ass would extend the hand of friendship, especially if the other side wants to end the pointless killing also.


Also, for the people who blame the entire Uchiha as a whole, for 2 people's actions.. please just no. Madara =/= The Clan. He betrayed the clan, stop insulting the clan, by saying he was part of the clan. Uchiha died trying to protect the very village, that betrayed them.

 

[V h o]

Meh BZ would just wait for another "Madara" to come up.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Tobirama was actually the real prick. His suspicion and distrust of Uchiha was what turn Madara into what he was.

Tobirama and also Danzo were a$$h*les.

How is Tobirama not suppose to be suspicious and distrusted when he seen Uchihas fall into hatred and run wild? He put the safety of the village as a whole ahead of one clan. You expect Tobirama to baby the Uchihas feelings when they shown him that they show him that they fall into hatred which changes them?

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If the Uchihas wanted to be viewed differently then they should have worked hard to do so. Naruto worked hard to change how people see him, hell, Gaara was seen as a monster and murderer but he worked hard to make up for his crimes and earn the trust of his villagers who once feared and hated him.

If these kids can do it then why can't grown men and women do it? The Uchihas created their own situation and Danzo did make it worst as my other post goes into more detail how it's mostly his fault for a lot of things.

 

[KingHashirama]

How is Tobirama not suppose to be suspicious and distrusted when he seen Uchihas fall into hatred and run wild? He put the safety of the village as a whole ahead of one clan. You expect Tobirama to baby the Uchihas feelings when they shown him that they show him that they fall into hatred which changes them?

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If the Uchihas wanted to be viewed differently then they should have worked hard to do so. Naruto worked hard to change how people see him, hell, Gaara was seen as a monster and murderer but he worked hard to make up for his crimes and earn the trust of his villagers who once feared and hated him.

If these kids can do it then why can't grown men and women do it? The Uchihas created their own situation and Danzo did make it worst as my other post goes into more detail how it's mostly his fault for a lot of things.

@Bold, you mean just like Sasori? Kakuzu? Nagato? Orochimaru? Izuki? Gaara? Kabuto? Kisame? <<<< I just stated Non-uchiha that were potentially worst than Madara when he was alive.

Please, uchiha are pretty much the same as everyone. The fact is the 2 people that caused all this just happened to be from the uchiha bloodline.

- Colonists didn't want taxes
- They caused a coup, aka the american revolution
- which led to death
- Who was bad ? who was good?

- Uchiha wanted to protect the village better <<< Stated to be their number 1 goal
- They see Konoha's government has no stability (stated in the episode, where Fugaku and uchiha are meeting.)
- tried to do a revolution
- all get killed by some power hungry geezer, who should've already been charged for treason against the village
- Fans say Uchiha were fault.

 

[mohdzarif]

How is Tobirama not suppose to be suspicious and distrusted when he seen Uchihas fall into hatred and run wild? He put the safety of the village as a whole ahead of one clan. You expect Tobirama to baby the Uchihas feelings when they shown him that they show him that they fall into hatred which changes them?

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If the Uchihas wanted to be viewed differently then they should have worked hard to do so. Naruto worked hard to change how people see him, hell, Gaara was seen as a monster and murderer but he worked hard to make up for his crimes and earn the trust of his villagers who once feared and hated him.

If these kids can do it then why can't grown men and women do it? The Uchihas created their own situation and Danzo did make it worst as my other post goes into more detail how it's mostly his fault for a lot of things.

Now what are you rambling about? At the founding of Konoha and during Hashirama's reign, the Uchiha was peaceful. It's this crazy bastard Tobirama that distrusted the Uchiha with no justifiable reasons. He was just grasping at straws.

Work hard to do so my ass. They were the one to be treated unfairly at first.

Madara heard Hashirama's and Tobirama's conversation and that's when he decided to change, when he realized that "cooperation is nothing but a silent fight".

 

[HiddenSound]

No Uchiha = No Naruto No Plot No entertainment just a bunch of good guys running around hugging each other.

Of course. But I'm not looking at this through a story point of view.

Love it when people don't use their brains.

- He kills Madara
- the young uchiha who looked up to Madara disagree with allying with the senju
- Hence, the village never happens
- Hashirama possibly turns into a dictator himself
- No peace happens
- Many more people get killed before they even become adults


Kishimoto's opinion regarding Hashirama = A True Hero of the Ages

Your opinion = Stupid man

Madara's arrogance and ignorance, is what led to all this. People like to talk about Hashirama not understanding Madara.. however, it is not his reponsibility to understand Madara.. ok. Its not my responsibility to understand you. If someone if threatening to attack my family or friends, its not my responibility to understand them .

However, lets say if someone is the leader of another nation, and you 2 happened to have the same dream as kids.. a dream that could've ended wars altogether.. you can sure bet that my ass would extend the hand of friendship, especially if the other side wants to end the pointless killing also.


Also, for the people who blame the entire Uchiha as a whole, for 2 people's actions.. please just no. Madara =/= The Clan. He betrayed the clan, stop insulting the clan, by saying he was part of the clan. Uchiha died trying to protect the very village, that betrayed them.

My opinion is a stupid man? That doesn't make any sense.
The village system is also a stupid idea. "Let's organize all these clans into different and even more powerful systems! Somehow that'll make peace!"

 

[Kamui Sama]

And his village plan sucked.

Hidden leaf > Hidden sound :snick:

 

[paratise]

Of course. But I'm not looking at this through a story point of view.

My opinion is a stupid man? That doesn't make any sense.
The village system is also a stupid idea. "Let's organize all these clans into different and even more powerful systems! Somehow that'll make peace!"

He is saying that your opinion regarding to Hashirama is him being a stupid man.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That is a great idea. Not only would eliminate any future psycho terrorists, but more importantly, it'd ruin Black Zetsu's plan.

Danzo had it right all along...

 

[KingHashirama]

Of course. But I'm not looking at this through a story point of view.

My opinion is a stupid man? That doesn't make any sense.
The village system is also a stupid idea. "Let's organize all these clans into different and even more powerful systems! Somehow that'll make peace!"

Clearly, your failure to realize what the plan was shows your ignorance when talking about this subject.

The plan was to unite Clans, so there would be less killing. Hashirama could not take over the world, because he didn't want to be a hitler..
He believed that villages would unite poeple together, which they just did.. and they did at that time also.

But you are one of those, who likes to nitpick on things, and take them into the negative direction, not surprised since you wank Danzo all the time (the one who caused treason against the village countless times). So lets go with this.

- Naruto-verse had never faced anything like the WArring states period of Hashirama's time after the creation of the villages
- Hashirama is not responsible for idiots, who can't use their brains to live in peace
- He is not there to baby sit them
- He is not their daddy
- He is not their to spank them if they do anything bad
- He was a visionary, who believed that the peace would only last for a small moment.. but hopefully one day, all shinobi will get reunited.

He never claimed his system to be perfect. But its funny, that even people like Onoki were happy to see Hashirama.

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[xxSAGExx]

Love it when people don't use their brains.

- He kills Madara
- the young uchiha who looked up to Madara disagree with allying with the senju
- Hence, the village never happens
- Hashirama possibly turns into a dictator himself
- No peace happens
- Many more people get killed before they even become adults


Kishimoto's opinion regarding Hashirama = A True Hero of the Ages

Your opinion = Stupid man

Madara's arrogance and ignorance, is what led to all this. People like to talk about Hashirama not understanding Madara.. however, it is not his reponsibility to understand Madara.. ok. Its not my responsibility to understand you. If someone if threatening to attack my family or friends, its not my responibility to understand them .

However, lets say if someone is the leader of another nation, and you 2 happened to have the same dream as kids.. a dream that could've ended wars altogether.. you can sure bet that my ass would extend the hand of friendship, especially if the other side wants to end the pointless killing also.


Also, for the people who blame the entire Uchiha as a whole, for 2 people's actions.. please just no. Madara =/= The Clan. He betrayed the clan, stop insulting the clan, by saying he was part of the clan. Uchiha died trying to protect the very village, that betrayed them.

Well many of the Uchiha's already left Madara's side and joined the Senjus so if the small few members of Uchihas wanted to keep fighting then they would die from the sheer over-numbered forces. They also gained other clans such as the Nara clan, Ino's clan, Choji clan, Sarutobi clan, Shino's clan, Kiba's clan, and Hyuuga clan to name a few.

The village would still happen since Hashirama made the majority of the system when he was a kid, only real thing that would change is the village's name which Madara named. Hashirama wouldn't become a dictator since he still killed Madara and it didn't change who he was and Hashirama resolve for peace most likely would become much stronger so nothing like that would have happened again.

Nah, there wouldn't be many deaths, only Madara and Izuna showed to be on a level that could fight Hashirama and he was still stronger than them, Tobirama was also on that level plus had edo tensei so the few Uchihas left would have died with little to no deaths on Senju side (P.S Hashirama had Bijuus 2-8 as well). And the Uchiha clan that wanted peace casted Madara out so if Madara's followers died then there probably wouldn't have been any issues Uchiha related either.

 

[mohdzarif]

Danzo had it right all along...

He was the one to be blame. He started the surveillance on the whole Uchiha after the Kyuubi's attack because of his unreasonable suspicion.

What he did was the worst betrayal ever to people who had done so much in keeping peace in Konoha, doing their job as the Police Force. In the end, what did they get in return?

Danzo is the most disgusting piece of shit.

 

[Kamui Sama]

He was the one to be blame. He started the surveillance on the whole Uchiha after the Kyuubi's attack because of his unreasonable suspicion.

What he did was the worst betrayal ever to people who had done so much in keeping peace in Konoha, doing their job as the Police Force. In the end, what did they get in return?

Danzo is the most disgusting piece of shit.

It was not an unreasonable suspicion considering only Uchiha had the ability to control the kyuubi and I'm pretty sure the higher-ups of Konoha already knew about the Uchiha's growing unrest

 

[HiddenSound]

Clearly, your failure to realize what the plan was shows your ignorance when talking about this subject.

The plan was to unite Clans, so there would be less killing. Hashirama could not take over the world, because he didn't want to be a hitler..
He believed that villages would unite poeple together, which they just did.. and they did at that time also.

But you are one of those, who likes to nitpick on things, and take them into the negative direction, not surprised since you wank Danzo all the time (the one who caused treason against the village countless times). So lets go with this.

- Naruto-verse had never faced anything like the WArring states period of Hashirama's time after the creation of the villages
- Hashirama is not responsible for idiots, who can't use their brains to live in peace
- He is not there to baby sit them
- He is not their daddy
- He is not their to spank them if they do anything bad
- He was a visionary, who believed that the peace would only last for a small moment.. but hopefully one day, all shinobi will get reunited.

He never claimed his system to be perfect. But its funny, that even people like Onoki were happy to see Hashirama.

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And look how well that turned out. Now instead of constant battling there's only secret battling. And 3 world wars, but hey, it seemed like a swell idea.

 

[KingHashirama]

Well many of the Uchiha's already left Madara's side and joined the Senjus so if the small few members of Uchihas wanted to keep fighting then they would die from the sheer over-numbered forces. They also gained other clans such as the Nara clan, Ino's clan, Choji clan, Sarutobi clan, Shino's clan, Kiba's clan, and Hyuuga clan to name a few.

The village would still happen since Hashirama made the majority of the system when he was a kid, only real thing that would change is the village's name which Madara named. Hashirama wouldn't become a dictator since he still killed Madara and it didn't change who he was and Hashirama resolve for peace most likely would become much stronger so nothing like that would have happened again.

Nah, there wouldn't be many deaths, only Madara and Izuna showed to be on a level that could fight Hashirama and he was still stronger than them, Tobirama was also on that level plus had edo tensei so the few Uchihas left would have died with little to no deaths on Senju side (P.S Hashirama had Bijuus 2-8 as well). And the Uchiha clan that wanted peace casted Madara out so if Madara's followers died then there probably wouldn't have been any issues Uchiha related either.

False, thats not how it works. If he had killed of Madara, it would stating, that Senju will kill any uchiha who rile up against them also. <<< not a way for a good PEACE treaty. Our president doesn't agree with allying with a country who wants to extend peace, but at the same time is fighting with you.. some people leave the president's side.. however if that president does get assassinated... you can bet your ass ain't gonna be no more peace treaties, without riots.


And they gained all those clans, after the formation of the village.


The village would not happen.. KONOHA would not happen.. some other petty village sure.. but KONOHA.. the village formed by the greatest rivals of that era.. would not happen. Do you think Hashirama didn't look to create the village with other clans? I'm sure he did, problem its not the same.

He killed Madara to protect the ones he loved.. however, that was only after seeing Madara not give a **** about Hashirama's death (even though it was a wood clone).

@Last paragraph... you just made the ssenju and Hashirama dictators...


Surely you know, that even the Senju clan itself wasn't united until Hashirama came into play.

And look how well that turned out.

yea sadly, idiots like Madara, Danzo, Raikage, Orochimaru, Nagato , Obito.. and etc just go selfish.

And if you are that naive child, who believes all this still wouldn't have happened.. sorry.. it would've still happened.. and the circumstances would've been a whole lot different. Who is to say, that someone like Sasuke wouldn't have become Madara?

 

[Harsh srivastava]

that idea saved all the uchiha from becoming madara

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Everyone dogs Tobirama about how he's the devil and how literally everything bad in NV is his fault.
But here's this.

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Quite possibly one of the best ideas ever thought in NV, kill Madara. No Tobi, no evil Akatsuki due to Tobi, no Infinite Tsukuyomi, and no Kaguya.
And Hashirama says "no".

That would be a terrible Idea.

Because Black Zetsu would've just waited for another Indra successor, and who knows how many generations before he would find it, by which time Naruto would have been long dead, and there would be no child of prophecy to save the World.

This was the perfect timing for madaras Rise and SO6P Always knew it.
Hashirama just got lucky that he was born a wuss

 

[HiddenSound]

^and Hashirama was too naive or stupid to realize those are the majority of people in the world. The greedy, the selfish, the hateful. Didn't realize by making the clans more powerful in unity that he'd be doing absolutely nothing to help the world. Oh well. Again, it was a neat idea.

 

[mohdzarif]

It was not an unreasonable suspicion considering only Uchiha had the ability to control the kyuubi and I'm pretty sure the higher-ups of Konoha already knew about the Uchiha's growing unrest

They didn't try to properly investigate but instead went on with a quarantine. It wasn't just a suspicion, Danzo actually believed it must be the Uchiha without any evidence at all.