[VS] Mei VS Old Hiruzen

[RedRobin]

There is a way to counter everything. Earth is strong versus water because earth is made of water and the earth absorbs the water to the point it becomes muddy and drying it up. When the water properties of her boil style meet Hiruzens earth style the earth will absorb the water that keeps the attack in a vapor/gas like form and it is neutralized and no more.

That is not working at all. Throwing rocks at mist is not getting rid of it. Mei can change the PH of the acid at will so even if he manages to counter it she will just put it back.

 

[KidGamer65]

In the scan I posted you can clearly see that Susanoo that hit Mei had to jump to her (look at its leg). In time it hit her, its hand was almost completely melted. The distance and melting speed is impressive, like it or not.

So? It jumping doesn't mean that she was a "great distance away"

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Ok.

Firstly, since Hiruzen has no knowledge of Futton, after she'd used it, Hiruzen's clones wouldn't even get any time to react since a single stab makes clones poof. Continuous damage from every angle affecting whole body is more than enough to render clones useless.

Intel is full. So yes, he has knowledge of it. That makes this point null.

Moreover, I don't know how Edo Bodies exactly work, since Kishi messed up on this part, but Hiruzen clearly got a chakra boost in his Edo body. Orochimaru was surprised Hiruzen rushed at him without Kage Bunshin but

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by an Anbu member.

Wrong. They have no chakra boost. Shown when they couldn't make more clones when the Hokage barrier was up. All that means is that Kishimoto retconned Hiruzen's abilities, and scaled them up to Part 2 level. Every other Edo has had no chakra boost, bar Madara (since his alive self didn't have Hashirama's DNA, which boosts chakra levels) and Minato (Who did not have Kurama) Edo Tensei was never stated to boost chakra anyway. It gives unlimited chakra, as in the chakra will always regenerate.

The only reason Hiruzen used his Kage Bunshin was because he knew he was going to suicide, so chakra was

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anymore.

Read above.

You are wrong. Mei is resistant to acid and lava. She lets it drip from her mouth on her skin. And no, ninja aren't immune to their own jutsu. Look at Deidara running from his own bombs for example. Moreover, Sasuke example of using his Raiton on his own body is often brought up. But it's false. Sasuke's own Raiton

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him.

That's her own jutsu. Pretty sure Sasuke isn't immune to all Katon just because he can hold his own Amaterasu. [

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] I have no reason to believe she is injured by her own jutsu. No reason at all.

So it's not that Mei is resistant to her techniques only, since no one is. By some unknown means, her body is resistant to very high temperatures and corrosion. And about smashing, a better example is a car hitting a human But in this case we have something much heavier and much stronger than a car. Yet Mei survived without a single broken bone. It's another thing that wasn't explained in manga, but her body is also very durable. I don't care why - it simply is.

Clones argument was already covered.

So no, her body isn't resistant to corrosion or all high temperatures. That's nonsense. Even if they were, he still has Raiton, which will skewer her.

My example is completely sound, it shows that more damage is done when smashed against something. If Hiruzen smashes her against the walls of the barrier, or the ground. She will take damage. The car example doesn't even work considering if a car hits someone, they get completely run over.

Ninja are more durable than Humans are, your car example is completely irrelevant since only normal humans get injured or killed from getting run over or hit by cars.

 

[KidGamer65]

There is no way to counter the mist. You cant make it disappear as it all trapped in the barrier. And thats even if he has to ability to do anything once he is in the mist and its burning him.

Deidara's clay was of the earth element which is why Sasuke's lightning countered it.

The mist is different and wont be countered easily.

He doesn't need to. He only needs to beat her before the mist covers the entire area. Fuuton is to keep it away from him while he does so.

 

[LuckyMan]

That is not working at all. Throwing rocks at mist is not getting rid of it. Mei can change the PH of the acid at will so even if he manages to counter it she will just put it back.

How is it not working? Show me Mei using boil style on stone and actually melting it. I provided the facts for you already and you still refuse to believe it can't happen. So what if she changes the pH level, Hiruzen one shots her low difficulty and thats that.

 

[RedRobin]

He doesn't need to. He only needs to beat her before the mist covers the entire area. Fuuton is to keep it away from him while he does so.

Fuuton is going to push it up against the barrier where it will circle back. By using fuuton it would be even worse as he would fill the room quicker.

 

[V h o]

How is it not working? Show me Mei using boil style on stone and actually melting it. I provided the facts for you already and you still refuse to believe it can't happen. So what if she changes the pH level, Hiruzen one shots her low difficulty and thats that.

You know she has melted a susanoo right? Shouldn't a susanoo be stronger than a rock?

 

[LuckyMan]

You know she has melted a susanoo right? Shouldn't a susanoo be stronger than a rock?

Being more durable is not the issue here. Its the substance that matters. Susanoo is not made of water and doesn't innately absorbs water, thus neutralizing it like Earth style does.

 

[KidGamer65]

Fuuton is going to push it up against the barrier where it will circle back. By using fuuton it would be even worse as he would fill the room quicker.

Uh, no. If Hiruzen continues to use Fuuton, it'll get pushed back, even when it bounces off the barrier and circles back. Not to mention all he needs to do is blow it away, he doesn't need to blow it far enough that it hits the barrier. And blowing the existing Mist around doesn't create new mist, so how would it fill the room any quicker or any more than it already is? Lol

 

[RedRobin]

Uh, no. If Hiruzen continues to use Fuuton, it'll get pushed back, even when it bounces off the barrier and circles back. Not to mention all he needs to do is blow it away, he doesn't need to blow it far enough that it hits the barrier. And blowing the existing Mist around doesn't create new mist, so how would it fill the room any quicker or any more than it already is? Lol

When Mei releases the mist it comes out of her mouth slowly and calmly spreads throught the room. The wind would be pushing it everywhere very quickly, it would reach the top much faster than if there was no wind around.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Wouldn't the acid mist just melt the barrier? Lol

 

[RedRobin]

Wouldn't the acid mist just melt the barrier? Lol

Hmm no one has brought that up. It is made of chakra like susano but I dont think so.

 

[V h o]

Being more durable is not the issue here. Its the substance that matters. Susanoo is not made of water and doesn't innately absorbs water, thus neutralizing it like Earth style does.

Hmm I don't believe rocks/dirt/mud can absorb acid mist. Even though it's made out water, it shouldn't have the same properties as water whereas it can be absorbed.

 

[LuckyMan]

Hmm I don't believe rocks/dirt/mud can absorb acid mist. Even though it's made out water, it shouldn't have the same properties as water whereas it can be absorbed.

All KKG hold the same properties as their original elements. Go read my few post on page 2, I already covered this.

 

[Prince Charles]

There is a way to counter everything. Earth is strong versus water because earth is made of water and the earth absorbs the water to the point it becomes muddy and drying it up. When the water properties of her boil style meet Hiruzens earth style the earth will absorb the water that keeps the attack in a vapor/gas like form and it is neutralized and no more.

Lol what?

what earth style jutsu does hiruzen have to do this? And it seems to me your taking it too logical buddy!

Elaborate on the earth jutsu he has to pull off your fanfic scenario!

#Fraud!

Persuade me!

 

[V h o]

All KKG hold the same properties as their original elements. Go read my few post on page 2, I already covered this.

So would storm, ice, and wood style also be affected like your saying since all of those are composed out of water?

 

[MickNerks]

Wouldn't the acid mist just melt the barrier? Lol

I strongly feel like it will. If it melted susanoo, I don't see why it wouldn't melt the barrier which will allow hiruzen to escape

 

[Touken]

Lol what?

what earth style jutsu does hiruzen have to do this? And it seems to me your taking it too logical buddy!

Elaborate on the earth jutsu he has to pull off your fanfic scenario!

#Fraud!

Persuade me!

Lmao, he won't be able to. I actually lol'd at that part of his paragraph. What a creative mind.

 

[MickNerks]

Good point was made.

If Mei uses Acid mist and Hiruzen blows it away with futon, shouldn't the mist melt the barrier.

If it doesn't then I don't see why hiruzen wouldn't just make 5 clones and use them to trap Mei in the Run Sun Barrier. This will allow the last hiruzen to kill her however he see's fit since she will be trapped.

 

[RedRobin]

Good point was made.

If Mei uses Acid mist and Hiruzen blows it away with futon, shouldn't the mist melt the barrier.

If it doesn't then I don't see why hiruzen wouldn't just make 5 clones and use them to trap Mei in the Run Sun Barrier. This will allow the last hiruzen to kill her however he see's fit since she will be trapped.

I dont think so that barrier is made for a reason. The juubi couldnt break the one put up around it.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

It should melt the barrier, Susanoo is a far greater defense than a Genin level barrier.
But I do realize that the purpose of this match is to see how well Mei would perform in an enclosed room.