Am i the only one that thinks that The Dark Night Rises was terrible?
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I agree it wasn't that good, even Batman Begins was just alright watching it back. Heath brought the 2nd movie alive(and it ironically killed him). A batman movie can only be as good as it's characters and it seems, looking back, that Nolan knew very little about the characters going into the project.
DC kills in their animated movies idk why they have such a difficult time in live action.
DC kills in their animated movies idk why they have such a difficult time in live action.
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I mean story and action wise. Their animated movies are so much better than anything they've put out live action so far. Batman Under the Red Hood was better than all of Nolan's trilogy(not by much but still better) JJustice League Doom was an awesome story, Flashpoint was also really good. MoS and Nolans Batman and GL just didn't grab me the same way and I had really hoped for a great GL movie.
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that's not even an argument, as movies the dark knight trilogy roflstomps any other comic movie to date, it's different if you look at it as a fanboy
story, music, direction, cast, ... it stomps all across the board
While the dark night trilogy is great it is it is nothing compared to the avengers this is coming from some who's fav character is batman but the avengers movie was so perfect and so awesome
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I disagree. The Dark Knight was better than the Avengers, absolutely(Which is why you instinctively chose a gif from that movie and not BB or TDKR) But Nolans triology was not one of the best movies based on comics, plus Avengers has 1 film you're comparing a trilogy to a stand alone it should be better, wait until there's 3 avengers and we get a bigger lineup. It had so many problems. Casting besides Heath was pretty bad. Christian Bale=good Bruce/Terrible Batman, Katy Holmes/Maggie Gyllenhall= One ok Rachel and a terrible one, Tom Hardy= Good size for Bane terrible character design. Then you have no Robin, unless this is year 1 Batman movies should at least have a mention of Robin.
As bad as Schumacher's Batmans were at least bane looked like Bane. All of Nolan's charcters had an homage to the character but none really looked like their characters.
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Action- Batman is one of the best hand to hand fighters and master of many martial arts, yet in the movie he keeps his hands in a boxing defense stance most of the time and spins like a ballerina and hits the enemies arm with his elbow. As a Batman fan this is an embarrasing fight scene to watch
[video=youtube;Hhn8VVtrfDk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhn8VVtrfDk[/video]
Seriously Nolan had Bruce Wayne in an Asian prison as a better fighter than he ever made Batman. Honestly is it that hard to get an actor who can throw a high kick? Bale was in a mask anyway why not get a stunt double who oh idk can do martial arts to do the fight scenes when Bats has his cowl on?
Intelligence- Batman is THE greatest detective in DC, yet he used almost no gadgetry in Nolans trilogy, turned his unique batarang into a shuriken and had him solve things(as little as there were, which is a problem in and of itself) by grabbing someone and growling "where is it" in their face until they broke.
People can talk trash about it all they want but Spiderman has been the most accurate and entertaining comic movie trilogy so far. I know people like to talk trash on Toby because they think it makes them cooler somehow but he was actually perfect to play Peter. Spider-man 2 still beats out most of the comic movies. Spider man 3 with Venom and the progression of the story where we learn the truth about what happened to Ben that night. The Batman movies were more focused on action and grit rather than actually telling a story through 1-3, how much stuff from 1 played a role again in TDKR? Not a lot but a lot of the stuff from SpiderMan came back to play in 3.
Everyone has and is entitled to their opinions but subjectively Nolans Batman trilogy was not a great comic book movie, it was a good movie based on a comic but he took too many liberties to call it a great or the best comic book movie. Also idk much about Guardians but that movie looks like it's going to blow everything so far out of the water.
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everyone is talking in terms of comic adaptation, I am simply saying that if we forget everything else and just compare Nolan's trilogy and the other movies based on comics simply as what they are, which is MOVIES, the Nolan trilogy are easily the best MOVIES
idgas about which movie is the best adaptation I care about the best MOVIE
as a movie, Avegers is mediocre at best though for a fan of the comics it ofc is very good
but idgas about that because I'm not a comic book fan so I just evaluate the quality of the movie and Nolans movies easily roflstomp the Avengers or Spiderman (in more or less every category from plot to acting) and the critics agree
personal preference for comic book accuracy has absolutely nothing to do with what I want to say
how to put this hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... I can't really find good examples so I'll go with the first that came to my mind: TDKtrilogy is more like Inception while Avengers is more like transformers except you have no annoying parents (though you have Thor's absolutely atrocious accent)
the avengers is a good comic book movie but the the movies from the Nolan trilogy are simply good MOVIES
i you still don't get it let me type another similar case: Harry potter is a great movie for the fans of the book while Lord Of The Ring is just a superb movie overall. Period.
idgas about which movie is the best adaptation I care about the best MOVIE
as a movie, Avegers is mediocre at best though for a fan of the comics it ofc is very good
but idgas about that because I'm not a comic book fan so I just evaluate the quality of the movie and Nolans movies easily roflstomp the Avengers or Spiderman (in more or less every category from plot to acting) and the critics agree
personal preference for comic book accuracy has absolutely nothing to do with what I want to say
how to put this hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... I can't really find good examples so I'll go with the first that came to my mind: TDKtrilogy is more like Inception while Avengers is more like transformers except you have no annoying parents (though you have Thor's absolutely atrocious accent)
the avengers is a good comic book movie but the the movies from the Nolan trilogy are simply good MOVIES
i you still don't get it let me type another similar case: Harry potter is a great movie for the fans of the book while Lord Of The Ring is just a superb movie overall. Period.
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If that's what you're going by then still no, Avengers and Winter soldier were both better visually. TDK was the best, but that doesn't mean the trilogy is the best. Imo adding the other two only brings down TDK. Winter Soldier had better fight choreography. Batman had good acting but the star was the worst actor for his part in the entire movie. You'll probably disagree being a fan of the series and by extension Bale, but Bale didn't do a good job at being Batman and that's mostly Nolan's fault as he's the director and writer.
Like I said earlier as well, Guardians of the Galaxy is gonna be the comic movie to beat. Idk anything about GotG so I get to go in blind and watch it the way you're talking about the Batman movies and it looks like it's going to be hands down the best comic movie yet.
I know you didn't just bring critics into this. Critics are the same as every other person who watched a movie and had an opinion on it. As far as how the critics felt they're pretty even.
Spiderman(2002)/Batman Begins(2005): IMDB-SM-7.3 from 409,159 users/73 Metacscore BB-8.3 from 686,694 users/70 Metascore. Batman also got an extra 200k votes so the score would be a little higher. Box Office- SM $821,708,551 BB $374.2 million. Rotten Tomatoes: SM- 89% BB-85%.
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Spideman2(2004)/The Dark Knight(2008): IMDB-SM2-7.4 from 286,282 users/Metascore 83 TDK-9.0 from 1,201,450 users/Metascore 82. Again way more votes and I've acknowledged this is the best movie out right now. Box Office: SM2-$783,766,341 TDK-$1,004.6 million. Rotten Tomatoes: SM2-94% with an average score of 8.3 TDK-94% with an average score of 8.5.
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SpiderMan 3(2007)/The Dark Knight Rises(2012): IMDB: SM3-6.2 from 272,940 users /Metascore 59 TDKR-8.6 from 798,076 users /Metascore 78. Spider-Man 3 did not get much love but it also came out 5 years prior when comic movies weren't as prevelant as 2012) Box Office: SM3-$890,871,626 TDKR-1.1 billion. (coming off TDK no wonder so many went and saw it. Rotten Tomatoes: SM3-63% TDKR-88%
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Spiderman 3 got complaints from the people I heard not about the story or movie but about Venom and Topher Grace. Plus 2007 wasn't a great year for comic movies
30 Days of Night
300
AvP:Requiem
Fantastic Four: Rise of Silver Surfer
Ghost Rider
SpiderMan 3
Not many of those got good reviews. Anyway the Nolan trilogy subjectively doesn't blow Raimi's Spiderman trilogy out of the water as you claimed. It may be your personal favorite and that's fine but don't try and down play the quality of a movie to make yours seem better. And yes, I did go that hard on a comic-movie based thread on an internet forum focusing on manga.
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No. Not everyone loved it.
I liked it. I didn't like all of it, but I really enjoyed Bane & Talia & their assault on the city & Ra's & Scarecrow's cameo.
I would've enjoyed Catwoman more if her hair was short. Hathaway did an amazing performance/ that one minor nitpick just gets me.
I liked it. I didn't like all of it, but I really enjoyed Bane & Talia & their assault on the city & Ra's & Scarecrow's cameo.
I would've enjoyed Catwoman more if her hair was short. Hathaway did an amazing performance/ that one minor nitpick just gets me.
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I liked it, I thought it was a little longer than it needed to be but it was cool.