Obito vs Minato & Tobirama

[ARGUS]

@bold- Why would Obito have to solidify to attack? With his eye he can stay intangible with Kakashi eye he can snipe. All you need is eyesight to use long-range Kamui which he would still have if he's intangible.

Thats a huge misconception,
the fact is that obito cant attack whilst having his body in the other dimension,, itll be similar to how many characters failed to attack obito due to the latter sending his body to kamui,,
not only that but the manga has made it clear that obito has to completely solidify himself in-order to warp the opponent, since he would actually have to have his body in the real world in-order to attack,,

your point is further moot since all of obitos warp attempts are evaded through FTG,,

Don't try to overrate there sensing abilities. When Obito is intangible he can't be sensed at all confirmed by Hinata Shino bugs and even Minato himself. If there trying to avoid eye-contact and dodge Kamui snipe which will be 2x faster that's simple impossible. Not to mention the bigger chakra reserves you have the larger the Kamui confirmed by Naruto when he cloaked Kakashi.

--I am not overrating anything, the fact is that you are overrating Double MS Obito like majoriity of the users here,
and where did i say that they would be able sense obito whilst he is intangible???? stop making up false statements

--i only said that their sensing skills would help them, but it doesnt matter since both of them would have the reaction feats and the reflexes as well the speed to evade the warp,, furthermore FTG is instant and you cant be faster than it, so i dont see why you are bringing up the 2x faster bc

--@Bold - why are you bringing up chakra reserves here, Kamui is evaded simple as that, on top of the fact that MS Obito chakra reserves arent as much as kurama so your point again is moot

--they also dont need to avoid eye contact since their FTG iis fast ennough for them to decieve sharingan precog, moreover they have the KB and extra numbers to disrupt his kamui based moveset, added to the fact that FTG is one of the best counters to Kamui, and with obito being outnumbered and his entire arsenal being countered,, he doesnt stand a chance, against 2 FTG users,, especially when they both will tag each other

 

[TRE MERCER]

Thats a huge misconception,
the fact is that obito cant attack whilst having his body in the other dimension,, itll be similar to how many characters failed to attack obito due to the latter sending his body to kamui,,
not only that but the manga has made it clear that obito has to completely solidify himself in-order to warp the opponent, since he would actually have to have his body in the real world in-order to attack,,

your point is further moot since all of obitos warp attempts are evaded through FTG,,


--I am not overrating anything, the fact is that you are overrating Double MS Obito like majoriity of the users here,
and where did i say that they would be able sense obito whilst he is intangible???? stop making up false statements

--i only said that their sensing skills would help them, but it doesnt matter since both of them would have the reaction feats and the reflexes as well the speed to evade the warp,, furthermore FTG is instant and you cant be faster than it, so i dont see why you are bringing up the 2x faster bc

--@Bold - why are you bringing up chakra reserves here, Kamui is evaded simple as that, on top of the fact that MS Obito chakra reserves arent as much as kurama so your point again is moot

--they also dont need to avoid eye contact since their FTG iis fast ennough for them to decieve sharingan precog, moreover they have the KB and extra numbers to disrupt his kamui based moveset, added to the fact that FTG is one of the best counters to Kamui, and with obito being outnumbered and his entire arsenal being countered,, he doesnt stand a chance, against 2 FTG users,, especially when they both will tag each other

Did you forget Kamui is one jutsu? That is why he can't warp people while he's intangible with one eye. It's would be like someone trying to use Susanoo while already inside there susanoo. He can see people while he intangible therefore he can snipe. That is the entire point of saying dual Kamui. How are they going to avoid it? How are they avoiding Kamui when 1- They won't know when it's coming. 2- If they look up at him genjutsu finishes them.

Your right ftg is instant but there reflexes aren't. Also how many ftg do you think there going to be able to get before the sniping starts? Damn ftg is always getting overrated Tobirama got ftg was countered by one eyed Madara. He gets sniped with ease.

 

[ARGUS]

Did you forget Kamui is one jutsu? That is why he can't warp people while he's intangible with one eye. It's would be like someone trying to use Susanoo while already inside there susanoo. He can see people while he intangible therefore he can snipe. That is the entire point of saying dual Kamui.

gives me more reason as to why Obito would have to become tangible, in-order to warp since he has to do so in-order to warp from his right eye,
you claimed that kamui is one jutsu, this means that the right eye would share similar properties to left eye, therefore obito has to solidify himself otherwise the void connecting the two dimensions wont happen

How are they going to avoid it? How are they avoiding Kamui when 1- They won't know when it's coming. 2- If they look up at him genjutsu finishes them.

They will evade it with FTG,
and genjutsu is not happening seeing how the hokages here have the KB, sensing, and the knowledge that obito is an uchiha

Your right ftg is instant but there reflexes aren't. Also how many ftg do you think there going to be able to get before the sniping starts? Damn ftg is always getting overrated Tobirama got ftg was countered by one eyed Madara. He gets sniped with ease.

Rinnegan Madara had the SM reflexes, as well as sensing that enabled him to react to FTG, he wouldve countered kamui jus as easily as he reacted to FTG,,
the reflexes of Minato/Tobirama are comparable if not then even better to obito, seeing how they were tracking Juubito, and avoided getting blitzed by Juudara,,

Obito is gettiing outright blitzed once he gets marked by any of the duo, annd that is not taking long, seeing how there are more numbers in the hokages side, and with their dual FTG they will evade all of Obitos attacks and their FTG which is faster than Kamui, would always outrun him as obito would end up getting marked,

this wont be a long battle as the moment they clash, obito is getting marked, similar to how he did in canon

 

[TRE MERCER]

gives me more reason as to why Obito would have to become tangible, in-order to warp since he has to do so in-order to warp from his right eye,
you claimed that kamui is one jutsu, this means that the right eye would share similar properties to left eye, therefore obito has to solidify himself otherwise the void connecting the two dimensions wont happen

Damn i already had to dumb it down to you but ill dumb it down even more. He CAN'T stay intangibly while warping with one eye because it is one jutsu.

Example - Sasuke using Amaterasu with his left eye and controlling it with his right eye via Enton. You asking why can't Obito with one eye stay intangible and warp at the same time is asking why can't Sasuke controll Amaterasu with his right eye alone. He uses Amaterasu(Places it of the battlefield) then controlls it with his right eye. Obito goes intangible with his left eye and then snipes with his right eye.

Now do you see why this would be impossible to do with one Kamui?

They will evade it with FTG,
and genjutsu is not happening seeing how the hokages here have the KB, sensing, and the knowledge that obito is an uchiha



Rinnegan Madara had the SM reflexes, as well as sensing that enabled him to react to FTG, he wouldve countered kamui jus as easily as he reacted to FTG,,
the reflexes of Minato/Tobirama are comparable if not then even better to obito, seeing how they were tracking Juubito, and avoided getting blitzed by Juudara,,

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without successfully landing an attack? Sensing is useless against DMS Obito i've explained multiple times. Rinnegan Madara isn't dodging a Kamui snipe that is 2x as fast as a regular one plus it can't be sensed coming. When did Juubidara ever attack Tobirama? As for

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we all know how that went.

Obito is gettiing outright blitzed once he gets marked by any of the duo, annd that is not taking long, seeing how there are more numbers in the hokages side, and with their dual FTG they will evade all of Obitos attacks and their FTG which is faster than Kamui, would always outrun him as obito would end up getting marked,

this wont be a long battle as the moment they clash, obito is getting marked, similar to how he did in canon

This argument is terrible i pretty much already solo'ed everything in this argument above.

 

[ARGUS]

Damn i already had to dumb it down to you but ill dumb it down even more. He CAN'T stay intangibly while warping with one eye because it is one jutsu.

and to dumb it down for you,
he cant attack from another dimension, because the attack simply wont connect

Example - Sasuke using Amaterasu with his left eye and controlling it with his right eye via Enton. You asking why can't Obito with one eye stay intangible and warp at the same time is asking why can't Sasuke controll Amaterasu with his right eye alone. He uses Amaterasu(Places it of the battlefield) then controlls it with his right eye. Obito goes intangible with his left eye and then snipes with his right eye.

Now do you see why this would be impossible to do with one Kamui?

Amaterasu =/= Kamui
so your point is already moot here,
and no, the basis for amaterasu/enton are completely different to kamui, amaterasu is not even a S/T tech ffs

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without successfully landing an attack? Sensing is useless against DMS Obito i've explained multiple times. Rinnegan Madara isn't dodging a Kamui snipe that is 2x as fast as a regular one plus it can't be sensed coming. When did Juubidara ever attack Tobirama? As for

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we all know how that went.

--juubito =/= DMS Obito, nor are their reflexes and reaction feats even remotely comparable, on top of the fact that DMS Obito is never reacting to FTG, unlike Juubito

--sensing is only useless against the right eye, against the left eye the chakra built up will be sensed.

--rinnegan madara dodged FTG, his SM would allow him to sense the left eyes chakra built up, and act prior to the attack and he can use Limbo to attack obito if he uses his right eye

--again, i dont know why you are bringing juudara into ur argument,
he would stomp DMS Obito just as bad,

This argument is terrible i pretty much already solo'ed everything in this argument above.

Honestly you didnt solo shit

 

[synkross]

you said Minato and Tobirama has no knowledge on Obito's techs .....Obito would insta snipe their heads (even kakashi was able to instantly wrap Naruto's clone to obito's dimension and later the huge hachibi with kurama's chakra) So Obito wraping only their heads instantly will be a piece of cake.
There is practically no way to avoid it.....come on, NO one would ever suspect their heads be taken off out of nowhere. Tobirama and Minato would have no idea what hit em.On top of that Obito can snipe them with left eye while being intangible with right eye.

Plus the latest chapter shows, Obito's wraping speed has become instant. Not even Kaguya and Black Zetsu were able to tell that Obito not only jumped in but also wraped himself and Sakura to the Kamui dimension before KAGUYA could even notice.