[Discussion] Would you mind the dynamic of the M3 being destroyed?

[ToshiZO]

Law is equal if not weaker than Luffy. Luffy has speed advantage, observation and armament haki advantage, DC advantage. Only advantage Law has is his hax, that i agree could trump an IC Luffy. Though you must also take into consideration the fact that Luffy lacks feats at the moment. I'm sure by the end of this arc, Luffy's superiority will be more visible

Pretty much everything you just mentioned, Vergo had the advantage over Law in those as well. Law is a nightmare for people in the same tier as him. You can never count him out.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Pretty much everything you just mentioned, Vergo had the advantage over Law in those as well. Law is a nightmare for people in the same tier as him. You can never count him out.

Since Law got trashed by DD and Luffy will be the one to defeat DD dont you think by the end of the arc it will be Luffy>Law?

 

[Red Swag]

Doesnt matter really. A crew is a crew. Tbh shanks would prolly recruit zoro into his own if given the chance.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

So yeah Oda has been hinting towards new nakama recently.

Candidates such as Law, Jinbei etc would completely upset the idea of the monster trio. Whilst I'd be all for this, I sense some of us out there wouldn't like this.

Side note: If Law joins, Oda has to make it spectacular, it can't be half arsed. He also has to figure out what to do with the rest of Law's crew. However I have full faith that Oda, will make it perfect whatever happens.

I don't think that Law will join his crew, Law has his own crew. It's not even sure for Jinbe that he will join crew, he could end just in alliance with STP. Even if Jinbei joins crew, it will be just a matter of time before Zoro and Sanji surpass him, since I already see Luffy as little stronger.

 

[TheHokage]

Re-read the discussion with Riker concerning the portrayal around Supernovas. It's not bounty related

High difficulty isn't easy. Rivals aren't always equals. Kiba isn't close to Naruto despite being a rival. Same goes for Konohamaru. Not saying it's the case with Sanji and Zoro though but Zoro and Sanji are like Kidd and Apoo, Marco and Jozu, Mr1 and Mr2, rivals but with the former being the superior one over the latter

I know what you're trying to say but the Supernova's are purely based on people having a bounty of over 100 million it's nothing to do with just power. Also Oda could have made Sanji a Supernova but it would have made the crew seem to OP I mean Kidd's crew only at maximum has 2.

Nartuo conversation is irrelevant. You keep saying Sanji and Zoro are like this and that but without any evidence to back it up what proof do you have that their strength gap is like Kidd and Apoo? All we've seen when Zoro and Sanji is compared to in the manga is them being even but again I do think Zoro is slightly stronger.

All you've been stating in this thread is pure speculation and opinions without any sort of feats or proof to back you up.

Law is equal if not weaker than Luffy. Luffy has speed advantage, observation and armament haki advantage, DC advantage. Only advantage Law has is his hax, that i agree could trump an IC Luffy. Though you must also take into consideration the fact that Luffy lacks feats at the moment. I'm sure by the end of this arc, Luffy's superiority will be more visible

Bold: No feats that prove that at all.

You do realize Law has Haki as well and there's no proof for you to say Luffy's Haki > Law's Haki you know.

Luffy hasn't shown any speed higher than Vergo's, so he has no speed advantage.
Vergo has shown higher Haki than Luffy, he has no Haki advantage. And we haven't seen Law's Haki yet. Let's not forget Law managed to nail a hit on Doffy, and Luffy couldn't.
We also haven't seen Law go all out either.

This is a logical comment. Luffy hasn't shown any speed feats above Vergo. Vergo's Haki is better than Luffy's actually since Vergo could actually block sharp objects with it (Tashigi's sword) while Luffy can't.

 

[Tomato God]

The only approval I have of the M3 being disrupted is Robinjoining, making it M4

Franky cant hang with robin

 

[Itachi Minato]

I want Jimbei to join but after Luffy, Zoro and Sanji surpass him. I want the M3 to stay as it is. BTW dont you guys feel that this constant preference towards Zoro and Sanji makes the manga less enjoyable? You end up underrating one or the other. This applies to Aqeel especially since he underrates Sanji so much.

 

[Olorin]

I want Jimbei to join but after Luffy, Zoro and Sanji surpass him. I want the M3 to stay as it is. BTW dont you guys feel that this constant preference towards Zoro and Sanji makes the manga less enjoyable? You end up underrating one or the other. This applies to Aqeel especially since he underrates Sanji so much.

My fav is luffy my second fav is a tie between Usopp, Nami, Zoro and Sanji, so no it doesn't affect me at all

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Why would Law join someone arguably weaker than him?

Luffy trained for 2 years under Rayleigh.

I reckon Oda will establish the strength difference sometime this arc. And I believe Luffy is stronger than all the supernovas with Law possibly on par with Zoro.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy trained for 2 years under Rayleigh.

I reckon Oda will establish the strength difference sometime this arc. And I believe Luffy is stronger than all the supernovas with Law possibly on par with Zoro.

Law is definitely ahead of Zoro.

 

[TheHokage]

Luffy trained for 2 years under Rayleigh.

I reckon Oda will establish the strength difference sometime this arc. And I believe Luffy is stronger than all the supernovas with Law possibly on par with Zoro.

Lol...the way you worded that honestly has me believing that you see the power scaling like this Zoro>=Law. Please Law>=Luffy>Zoro.

Law is definitely ahead of Zoro.

This.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Lol...the way you worded that honestly has me believing that you see the power scaling like this Zoro>=Law. Please Law>=Luffy>Zoro.



This.

I believe Luffy is definitely above Law, and that Zoro is on a similar level to Law.

Although I could be wrong. Only Oda can really say with any certainty so you shouldn't be preaching your opinion like it is fact.

 

[Black Mamba]

Lol...the way you worded that honestly has me believing that you see the power scaling like this Zoro>=Law. Please Law>=Luffy>Zoro.



This.

luffy>law>=zoro

zoro's been training with mihawk(worlds best swordsmen, use to duel with shanks evenly) for 2 years. its not even questionable that zoro is a better swordsmen than law, if zoro's haki can cancel out law's haki, then he would beat him.

 

[TheHokage]

I believe Luffy is definitely above Law, and that Zoro is on a similar level to Law.

Although I could be wrong. Only Oda can really say with any certainty so you shouldn't be preaching your opinion like it is fact.

It's not an opinion at this present moment in time going by feats and facts we have Law has shown far more impressive feats than either Luffy and Zoro. I'm using actual facts from the manga to make my judgement on character's strength. Now tell me what makes you think Luffy is stronger than Law and that Zoro is the same level as Law?

luffy>law>=zoro

zoro's been training with mihawk(worlds best swordsmen, use to duel with shanks evenly) for 2 years. its not even questionable that zoro is a better swordsmen than law, if zoro's haki can cancel out law's haki, then he would beat him

Doesn't matter unless Zoro is faster than Law he wouldn't be able to touch him in the 'room', not to mention if Vergo's Haki who's CoA is stronger than Luffy's couldn't block Law's attack what makes you think Zoro's could? Again in regards to Luffy>Law>=Zoro read my comment above no feats to prove that Luffy is above Law or that Zoro is a similar level to Law.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

It's not an opinion at this present moment in time going by feats and facts we have Law has shown far more impressive feats than either Luffy and Zoro. I'm using actual facts from the manga to make my judgement on character's strength. Now tell me what makes you think Luffy is stronger than Law and that Zoro is the same level as Law?



Doesn't matter unless Zoro is faster than Law he wouldn't be able to touch him in the 'room', not to mention if Vergo's Haki who's CoA is stronger than Luffy's couldn't block Law's attack what makes you think Zoro's could? Again in regards to Luffy>Law>=Zoro read my comment above no feats to prove that Luffy is above Law or that Zoro is a similar level to Law.

Nope it's an opinion. You have no idea how Luffy's speed matches with Vergo's. You have no clue, how Doffy dodged Law's room so you cannot say whether or not Luffy could do it.

Also, it's likely that Zoro's swords (made from metal) imbued with his own haki, are stronger than Vergo's body, wouldn't you agree? Although Oda could decide either way.

This is why you cannot say with any certainty. I'm merely giving my own intuition on the situation.

 

[TheHokage]

Nope it's an opinion. You have no idea how Luffy's speed matches with Vergo's. You have no clue, how Doffy dodged Law's room so you cannot say whether or not Luffy could do it.

Also, it's likely that Zoro's swords (made from metal) imbued with his own haki, are stronger than Vergo's body, wouldn't you agree? Although Oda could decide either way.

This is why you cannot say with any certainty. I'm merely giving my own intuition on the situation.

Doflamingo dodged Law because he's faster than him it's simple. It's true as well I can't be certain whether Vergo is faster than Luffy I honestly doubt it myself but Vergo has shown a speed feat equal to or if not greater than Luffy in his battle with Law.

Tashigi's swords are made from metal as well and she can use Haki but it was still blocked by Vergo purely coating his arm in CoA now imagine a full body Haki.

It's true I can't be certain but judging by what the manga gives us so far it points in favor of what I am saying.

 

[kuramasage]

Why didn't Jimbei join in the Fishman Island Arc? There are storyline reasons for it, but that was just to justify his turning-down of the offer in-universe. The real reason Jimbei didn't join then was so Oda could keep the Monster Trio intact.

Law won't join. He's Luffy's rival, the Whitebeard to his Roger.

It's hard to tell, but I'd also imagine that Law is currently just a little stronger than Luffy, simply because again he is the rival. So, for now it'd arguably make more sense to have him stronger and therefore give Luffy someone to have to measure up to and surpass.

 

[Black Mamba]

Doesn't matter unless Zoro is faster than Law he wouldn't be able to touch him in the 'room', not to mention if Vergo's Haki who's CoA is stronger than Luffy's couldn't block Law's attack what makes you think Zoro's could? Again in regards to Luffy>Law>=Zoro read my comment above no feats to prove that Luffy is above Law or that Zoro is a similar level to Law.

for luffy doflamingo hinted that luffy was stronger, we haven't even seen luffy's limits yet.

you can't compare vergo's haki to luffy's and zoro's cuz neither of them went all out.

as for speed law hasn't shown any speed feats, not more than zoro.

zoro's slash>vergo's body armament haki, law cutting vergo means nothing. that was his strongest attack its not like he can cut like that in every swing(ex. the smoker vs law fight), zoro's great dragon shock or lion strike could possibly block it or beat it.

 

[Fireplay]

Trafalgar Law sailing under Luffy's flag...yeah, thats not happening. Jinbe will join when ...

1. M3 has far surpassed him or 2. he'll die before joining.



Law is Luffy's Whitebeard
Kid is Luffy's Shiki

 

[Bogard]

Wb never allied with Roger. The Ław = Wb thing is ridiculous