Minato vs Orochimaru

[Demonic.]

It really doesn't. They had NO information on Orochimaru's abilities, considering they didn't know about his regeneration, Edo-Tensei, his research etc. Plus, Hiruzen said, "No one can stand against him", with Anko making her statement. Implying, only Minato can go, toe to toe with Orochimaru. It's really basic, it's called perspective. It's like, Itachi saying you need Amateratsu and Tsykuyomi to unlock Susano'o, yet Madara and Obito don't have it. That was his opinion and perspective, it's basically what he THOUGHT you needed. Dismissed.

There's still evidence that suggests Minato is just on a higher level than Orochimaru.

Hiruzen admitted inferiority to Minato. Hiruzen would've killed Orochimaru if he didn't have had to seal Tobirama and Hashirama too. He would've killed him 1 on 1. Jiraiya was inferior to Minato and Jiraiya was more or less equal to Orochimaru (personally I feel he surpassed him with Sage Mode, but to each his own opinion. There' no denying they're around the same level.) Minato was chosen Hokage over Orochimaru.

 

[Demonic.]

lol these guys. Whatever happens to the clone will eventually happen to the real one once the clone disappears.

Orochimaru takes this High diff.

The clones did disappear. They were sealed with Tobirama and Hashirama but Hiruzen's main body wasn't, so no you're wrong.

 

[Ababeel]

It really doesn't. They had NO information on Orochimaru's abilities, considering they didn't know about his regeneration, Edo-Tensei, his research etc. Plus, Hiruzen said, "No one can stand against him", with Anko making her statement. Implying, only Minato can go, toe to toe with Orochimaru. It's really basic, it's called perspective. It's like, Itachi saying you need Amateratsu and Tsykuyomi to unlock Susano'o, yet Madara and Obito don't have it. That was his opinion and perspective, it's basically what he THOUGHT you needed. Dismissed.

Hiruzen clearly knows about the ET, and so did the ANBU. They only did not know that Oro perfected his should transfer jutsu, which is irrelevant either way.

as for Anko, no, she implies that if Minato was there he will save them and defeat Oro, it's really that simple...

as for Madara, he obviously have Tsykuyomi, otherwise how did he use the infinite Tsykuyomi?
and Obito did not even use Susanoo, so I'm not sure why did you bring him up.

anyway, Oro still gets stomped by Minato's speed and his sealing jutsus...
he couldn't even react to itachi and his Kunai. Lol

 

[Joker]

There's still evidence that suggests Minato is just on a higher level than Orochimaru.

Hiruzen admitted inferiority to Minato. Hiruzen would've killed Orochimaru if he didn't have had to seal Tobirama and Hashirama too. He would've killed him 1 on 1. Jiraiya was inferior to Minato and Jiraiya was more or less equal to Orochimaru (personally I feel he surpassed him with Sage Mode, but to each his own opinion. There' no denying they're around the same level.) Minato was chosen Hokage over Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ALLOWED Hiruzen to use RDS, Orochimaru wanted to see it, now if you read the chapter like you said you didn, you would know that. Hiruzen admitted inferiority to Orochimaru to, it's written down in the Databook clear as day. Then we go to your excuse that Minato was chosen over Orochimaru, know why? Because Orochimaru was evil, Hiruzen saw that, and didn't pick him, it's even stated in their fight. Plus, we soon find out alot of people disagreed with Hiruzen picking Minato over Orochimaru in the first place. Orochimaru takes this.

 

[RedRobin]

The clones did disappear. They were sealed with Tobirama and Hashirama but Hiruzen's main body wasn't, so no you're wrong.

He would have eventually died.

 

[Demonic.]

He would have eventually died.

That's speculation.

 

[RedRobin]

That's speculation.

No its not. It is manga fact that whatever happens to the clone happens to the real one.

 

[Demonic.]

Orochimaru ALLOWED Hiruzen to use RDS, Orochimaru wanted to see it, now if you read the chapter like you said you didn, you would know that. Hiruzen admitted inferiority to Orochimaru to, it's written down in the Databook clear as day. Then we go to your excuse that Minato was chosen over Orochimaru, know why? Because Orochimaru was evil, Hiruzen saw that, and didn't pick him, it's even stated in their fight. Plus, we soon find out alot of people disagreed with Hiruzen picking Minato over Orochimaru in the first place. Orochimaru takes this.

Hiruzen used it on Hashirama and Tobirama first I think after he saw what happened he wouldn't have "allowed" Hiruzen to use it on him. Orochimaru can only use Oral Rebirth a few times and his attacks aren't hitting Minato.

 

[Joker]

Hiruzen clearly knows about the ET, and so did the ANBU. They only did not know that Oro perfected his should transfer jutsu, which is irrelevant either way.

as for Anko, no, she implies that if Minato was there he will save them and defeat Oro, it's really that simple...

as for Madara, he obviously have Tsykuyomi, otherwise how did he use the infinite Tsykuyomi?
and Obito did not even use Susanoo, so I'm not sure why did you bring him up.

anyway, Oro still gets stomped by Minato's speed and his sealing jutsus...
he couldn't even react to itachi and his Kunai. Lol

You obviously don't understand a single thing I typed. I said, they didn't know Orochimaru had it. His perfection of immortality isn't irrelevant, it only enforces the fact they knew little about Orochimaru to pass any valid judgement. Anko doesn't know anything either, she didn't even know Orochimaru's mind was literally inside the seal, she has no merit. Madara gained the Genjutsu from his Rinnegan he got from the tree, even if he had it, he still doesn't have Amateratsu. Orochimaru isn't getting stomped by shit, Itachi had him in a Genjutsu, and mind you he's one of the best users ever, and was still able to move. Get off Minato's **** and pull some valid arguments.

 

[Demonic.]

No its not. It is manga fact that whatever happens to the clone happens to the real one.

1. Then Hiruzen should've died as soon as the clones were sealed. Why the delay?
2. That logic is flawed. Sasuke used Chidori on Naruto's shadow clone, did the real one get Chidori'd?
3. It's already been confirmed that using shadow clones with RDS just sealed bits of Hiruzen not his main body.

 

[Joker]

Hiruzen used it on Hashirama and Tobirama first I think after he saw what happened he wouldn't have "allowed" Hiruzen to use it on him. Orochimaru can only use Oral Rebirth a few times and his attacks aren't hitting Minato.

Orochimaru allowed him to prepare and use the jutsu on Tobirama and Hashirama, from there Enma and Hiruzen got him, re-read the fight. I don't know why you guys always say Orochimaru's regeneration is extremly limited, he has massive reserves, stated in the Databook aswell, summoning three Rashomon gates with no problem is a testment to that.

 

[Penguin]

Minato should win.

 

[Demonic.]

Orochimaru allowed him to prepare and use the jutsu on Tobirama and Hashirama, from there Enma and Hiruzen got him, re-read the fight. I don't know why you guys always say Orochimaru's regeneration is extremly limited, he has massive reserves, stated in the Databook aswell, summoning three Rashomon gates with no problem is a testment to that.

Orochimaru was standing there like a dumbass but that's because he had Tobirama and Hashirama fighting for him. They in no way stood back and let Hiruzen use the technique, and Hiruzen still did it. Orochimaru is cocky like that.... Same thing happened when Itachi struck him with Susano's sword. He was standing there like a dumbass bragging about how he was going to take Sasuke's body even though Itachi's Susano had just cut off some Hydra heads.... Minato doesn't underestimate his opponents and he doesn't screw around like that.

 

[Joker]

Minato should win.

Orochimaru outlasts him, plus you guys act like his body shedding is slow, his reactions and speed are constantly slept on.

 

[Penguin]

Orochimaru outlasts him, plus you guys act like his body shedding is slow, his reactions and speed are constantly slept on.

I am not gonna wank Minato's chakra levels, but they are pretty high. Almost on the levels of Tobirama. Plus he has great chakra control. The simple truth is Orochimaru cannot touch him.

 

[Joker]

Orochimaru was standing there like a dumbass but that's because he had Tobirama and Hashirama fighting for him. They in no way stood back and let Hiruzen use the technique, and Hiruzen still did it. Orochimaru is cocky like that.... Same thing happened when Itachi struck him with Susano's sword. He was standing there like a dumbass bragging about how he was going to take Sasuke's body even though Itachi's Susano had just cut off some Hydra heads.... Minato doesn't underestimate his opponents and he doesn't screw around like that.

You never said they were in character, plus Orochimaru knows how to get serious when he needs to, especially going against Minato. What are you trying to say anyway? With Itachi, he could've regenerated those heads, the Hydra form is basically regeneration itself, why would he need to do anything? The only reason he didn't do anything was because he was unaware of the Totsuka.

I am not gonna wank Minato's chakra levels, but they are pretty high. Almost on the levels of Tobirama. Plus he has great chakra control. The simple truth is Orochimaru cannot touch him.

Orochimaru's are more impressive, lmfao. Plus, why are you wanking Tobirama now? How large are his reserves? C'mon Penguin, you can do better. Orochimaru, outlasts him. In his Edo-Tensei form, it was confirmed FTG uses some amount of chakra, therefore it can't spammed recklessly.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Its simple isnt it, orochimaru would probably end up using the hydra technique but he cannot break out of minato's barrier and ends up getting sealed

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Four Images Seal (四象封印, Shishou Fuuin)
Fuuinjutsu, No rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
User: Yondaime Hokage

A sealing formula that seals evil using a circle four images!!

As the result of a fuuinjutsu, a sealing formula is carved into, for instance, a human body or an object. The "Four Images Seal" is one of these. This sealing formula is mainly used when a giant enemy or evil spirit needs to be sealed.

That only happened because he grabbed his arms.

obviously not

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[Joker]

Its simple isnt it, orochimaru would probably end up using the hydra technique but he cannot break out of minato's barrier and ends up getting sealed

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obviously not

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You see? This is what I wanted, scans. Good job, I concede on that point.

As for the sealing, wouldn't that mean Orochimaru is going to be sealed inside Minato?

 

[Penguin]

You never said they were in character, plus Orochimaru knows how to get serious when he needs to, especially going against Minato. What are you trying to say anyway? With Itachi, he could've regenerated those heads, the Hydra form is basically regeneration itself, why would he need to do anything? The only reason he didn't do anything was because he was unaware of the Totsuka.

Orochimaru's are more impressive, lmfao. Plus, why are you wanking Tobirama now? How large are his reserves? C'mon Penguin, you can do better. Orochimaru, outlasts him. In his Edo-Tensei form, it was confirmed FTG uses some amount of chakra, therefore it can't spammed recklessly.

Orochimaru with white Zetsu cells has more chakra, but not the Orochimaru without white zetsu cells. Tobirama's chakra is large enough to crack a wall, which Orochimaru and Hiruzen could barely do together in part one. Minato and Tobirama can use Hiraishin numerous times without any shown signs of exhaustion. Each time Orochimaru gets tagged, and he will, he will need to use Oral Rebirth, and this will deplete his chakra rather quickly.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

You see? This is what I wanted, scans. Good job, I concede on that point.

As for the sealing, wouldn't that mean Orochimaru is going to be sealed inside Minato?

Like the databook says, Shishou Fuuin can seal a giant enemy into objects, it can be anything, Minato used it to seal kyuubi into naruto

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